Vtr Gearboxes

1. Caesar9 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Nottingham Posts: 16 1998 Citroen Saxo Vtr

   #1 16th November 2008, 02:25

   Right i've done a quick search and can't find anything on this. Which gearboxes will fit a Vtr such as Vts, 106, diesels and so on. Which ones would people recommend and for what reasons. Will I also need to change the driveshafts if i put a different models box in? Cheers boys n girls.
2. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #2 17th November 2008, 04:46

   all gearboxes from 106/saxos fit each model as far as im aware, some ax boxes fit also
   
   s1 rallye is going to improve your acceleration but if you do motorway miles its not going to be too good on them
   
   xsi is again going to improve your acceleration, but not as much as the s1, better for motorway miles, still i sit at around 70 at 3800rpm
   
   unsure what a vts box is like on a vtr
   
   obviously you know what a vtr box is like on a vtr
   
   cant comment on the other boxes, altho i think the ax gt is the same as the xsi box
3. Caesar9 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Nottingham Posts: 16 1998 Citroen Saxo Vtr

   #3 18th November 2008, 17:52

   Ok cheers, Does the xsi box fit with the standard clutch and driveshafts?
   
   Anyone else have any experience with any other boxes?
   
   Thanks
4. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #4 18th November 2008, 21:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Caesar9 Ok cheers, Does the xsi box fit with the standard clutch and driveshafts? Anyone else have any experience with any other boxes? Thanks

   yes it does mate
   
   danngti has an s1 box on his car, i believe rushy has a ax gt box on his car, jackman has a quiksilver box on his vts engine i believe greensaxo has a 1.1 on his vts engine, unsure on other boxes tho
5. Caesar9 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Nottingham Posts: 16 1998 Citroen Saxo Vtr

   #5 19th November 2008, 23:03

   How strong are the 1.1 boxes as opposed to Vtr's? Surely the ratios will be stupidly low.
   I'm basically looking for a replacement as mines well and truly knackered so i'm just tryin to decide on price n availability.
6. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #6 20th November 2008, 02:46

   not sure on the ratios tbh, pretty sure its the same as an s box, or simular at least, i cant remember if vtrs go well with the s boxes
   
   diffs on the 1.1 are smaller, but if your just running standard vtr i cant see it being a problem at all
7. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

   #7 20th November 2008, 03:04

   1.1 boxes on VTRs aint bad. Reasonably short, but not so short for it to be a problem on m'ways. I've done plenty of 1/4 miles and a trackday and not got any problems with the diff yet either, so you shouldn't have problems on the road.
8. katiescar Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 newport Posts: 1443 saxo vtr renault laguna v624v 3ltr manual

   #8 20th November 2008, 07:04

   quick silver box / 1.4 xsi box and you will notice it performance wise. We have a s1 box and its very short, which is basically a vts box with a higher f.d.
9. GreenSaxo Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2002 Ashford, Kent, United Kingdom (England) Posts: 12835 Cammed Saxo "desire" 16v

   #9 20th November 2008, 11:59

   i do have a 1.1 box on my vts engine. it pulls well and motorways are fine. been on about 15 months! (which is good for me. lol) had the car off the clock with it too...
10. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #10 20th November 2008, 12:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by katiescar quick silver box / 1.4 xsi box and you will notice it performance wise. We have a s1 box and its very short, which is basically a vts box with a higher f.d.

    all the 'sport' boxs are the same, (vts/r, xsi, rallye) but with different final drives.
11. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #11 20th November 2008, 12:12

    quicksilver box is different to a 1.4xsi box iirc same with the west coast box.
    
    I didnt notice any difference between my 1.1 box and VTS box, noticed a very very small difference with teh S2/1.6 xsi box.
    
    Only thing with teh 1.1 box i fekd the synchro's more or less straight away. Anything over 6500rpm it would crunch.
    
    
    as williams said the xsi/gti/vts box's are the same ratio's but different final drives.
12. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #12 20th November 2008, 12:18

    that 1.1 box couldve been on its way out already?
13. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #13 20th November 2008, 12:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts that 1.1 box couldve been on its way out already?

    i think it was tbh, got another 5 out of them anyway for nowt, kept saying they took them off VTS's but they had 1.1 gearbox codes.
14. Paul_Collins Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 Bridgend, S. Wales Posts: 1092 MkII White VTS

    #14 20th November 2008, 12:29

    Ive had the following boxes to my VTS Cammed engine;
    
    VTS - Too long for me.
    S1 - Great box, very short, lots of wheel spin in lower gears tho (1st an 2nd), only changed because i broke it
    S2 - Currently on my car now, great box, little longer than the S1, not sure if thats a good thing atm, as its only been on for 3 days.
15. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #15 20th November 2008, 12:32

    S2 is only fractionally different to a VTS box.
    
    order goes
    
    S1 Rallye Box
    1.4 xsi Box
    1.6xsi / S2 Rallye Box
    VTS
    VTR
16. Caesar9 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Nottingham Posts: 16 1998 Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #16 20th November 2008, 17:51

    Ok cheers Peoples.
    So the 1.1 box should hold up well enough in my Vtr, I just don't want to keep buying another every few months. I've also found a 106 diesel box from a 1994 for a decent price and looking at this thread http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615 the ratios are nearly the same bar 1st and second. Am I right that both will fit straight in with no problems with all the connections and that?
17. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #17 20th November 2008, 17:55

    personally wouldnt stick a 1.1 box in, just get a VTS or s2/1.6 xsi box.
    
    Same sort of price anyway.
    That will improve acceleration, or just stick a VTR box back on.
18. Caesar9 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Nottingham Posts: 16 1998 Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #18 20th November 2008, 23:04

    I think I'm gonna go with the diesel box, wil this fit ok with things like the speedo unit and such?
19. boz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2005 somewhere on this planet, doing something..... around northumberland or in the middle of the sea Posts: 8774 Mk2 VTS track mk1 turbo vts scooby engined 2CV

    #19 20th November 2008, 23:22

    not sure if its the same for the citroen range, but when i had my RS turbo. we fitted a diesel box as the ford diesel boxes were stronger than the standard rs turbo one.
    something to do with the torque and the loads they were designed to pull.
    that was the in thing to do at the time, along with the 2L zetec bottom end lol good old days
    
    
    knowing shitroen, they will all the the same lol.
20. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #20 21st November 2008, 09:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Caesar9 I think I'm gonna go with the diesel box, wil this fit ok with things like the speedo unit and such?

    yes they fit the same.
    
    not sure what the diesel box is like tbh.
    
    Just get a VTR box, dont understand why you dont?
    
    Probably an extra tenner or something.
21. Caesar9 Newbie Joined: Jul 2007 Nottingham Posts: 16 1998 Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #21 21st November 2008, 14:29

    Ok thanks, I've heard that the Diesels have different clutch so wasn't sure it would fit.
    I'm having trouble finding a Vtr box so I'm trying to weigh up some other options hence the questions on them all plus looking at the ratios they aren't far off being the same anyways.
22. Craig172 Newbie Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 6 Supercharged Ph1 172 & 197

    #22 16th December 2008, 22:47

    So whats the best for acceleration the S1 box? are the 1.1 boxs better for acceration or top end? im new to the citreon game
23. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #23 17th December 2008, 08:04

    The 1.1 boxes are better than the VTR boxes for acceleration by a long way.