master cylinder

1. andrewsynt L-plater Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 55

   #1 29th November 2008, 03:34

   hi
   my mk1 1.1 saxo(3 stud) failed its MOT last year due to the brakes being s**t
   so a new caliper was fitted suprise suprise it failed agian this year due to s**t brakes and yet another caliper was fitted and it just scraped through the brake test as the discs are new pads are new its just had new calipers i think i need a new Master Cylinder as the brakes are geting worse
   what i need to no is can i use a better master cylinder from a diffrent citreon that will be better than a replacment and is there such thing as BIG brake conversions on 3 studs without swaping strut for 4 stud hubs?
   thanks
2. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

   #2 29th November 2008, 05:54

   you can, just try and get one that matches what you have eg 4 port or 2 ports. Although if you have a 2 port abs one, you can always T piece the lines from a 4 port one for example.
   
   How is this not safe for work though?
3. Mr_suv Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 blandiago Posts: 4483 Hondaaaa

   #3 29th November 2008, 09:30

   if its a 4 port get a 406 coupe non abs one as thas a 23mm i have one and its mucho better!
4. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #4 29th November 2008, 09:31

   was wondering that myself cat??
   
   i would say just get a 1.1 mc
   
   if you put a bigger one on all you will achivev is making the brakes a lol 'sharper' ie they will bite earlier in the pedal stroke and if you stamp on it will more than likely just lock up
   
   a few months back i saw someone saw something about a 3stud zx back in the day
   but i think finding brakes off one of them will be like rocking horse shit tbh
   
   it could be something simple like the brakes arent being bled properly (dunno whos doing it like)
5. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #5 29th November 2008, 09:44

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by suvvysaxo if its a 4 port get a 406 coupe non abs one as thas a 23mm i have one and its mucho better!

   on a 1.1? theres no need lol
   Surely they should be telling you what is failing.
   
   The brake lines havnt rusted and your not leaking fluid everywhere?
   You bleed the brakes properly when fitting new calipers?
   Take it new discs and pads all round? you let them bed in yet? every time i have fitted new brakes they have been shite for a good few miles.
   
   There is NO need to upgrade the m/c.
6. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #6 29th November 2008, 10:57

   What quality pads and disk are you useing?
   
   is the handbrake adjustd correctly?
7. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #7 29th November 2008, 10:59

   and how is this nsfw? you do know that means not safe for work
8. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

   #8 29th November 2008, 11:23

   Id say its NSFW cos of the starred language
9. Yates Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Pompey/Darlo Posts: 31546 MK1 - 1.1 Animal

   #9 29th November 2008, 11:25

   as said no need to upgrade the mc imo
   
   i think it was gav who posted up about the zx brakes alex, sophia_bush on here but i dont think that they are that easy to get hold of
10. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #10 29th November 2008, 11:28

    i think he did it to get attention to the thread
    swampy the handbrake will not affect the system as a 1.1 runs a cable handbrake setup so isnt anywere near the hydraulics
    
    
    and yates it may wel have been gav actually yea
    rocking horse shit sums up how common they will be lol
11. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

    #11 29th November 2008, 11:58

    Nearly all cars run cable handbrakes
    but if the adjusters on the rear drums aint set correctly the foot brake wont work well either.
12. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #12 29th November 2008, 12:31

    stuff like vtr it pulls on a hydraulic lever and then that applies
    were as the drums the cable is directly on the shoe so it doesnt
13. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

    #13 29th November 2008, 14:26

    He has a 1.1 not vtr
    but doesnt matter either way
    the cables have to be adjusted correctly, which in turn alters the setting position of the shoes/pads
    If they arnt then they have to move the shoes/pads further up when applying the foot/handbrake
    
    this in turn affects how each work
14. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #14 29th November 2008, 14:36

    i know hes got a 1.1 thats what im saying it makes no difference on the drums
    the only way it can be adjusted wrong its if its too tight the rear brakes will rub a bit
    if its loose the handbrake wont work properly
    other than that id doesnt matter on a the drums at all
    
    the rears will have minimal to do with this i think anyway
    
    tbh the master cylender call i think is about right
    and just using a 1.1 m/c will be fine anything bigger will cause problems
15. user_4153 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2004 Cambs Posts: 630 Vts track car

    #15 29th November 2008, 21:28

    Excess travel in the brake pedal?