saxo westcoast tunning help plz ?

  1. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #1
    i want to have a fast saxo and i have lots of ideas but one of my big questions is should i stick with my 1.4 egine or should i go to a vts i was thinking about putting a turbo on my 1.4 and tunning it up any one got some gd ideas for me plz

    my m8 said to me that i could probly get it to about 160bhp for about a grand with just tunning it up what do u guys think ? i am new to all this and want some gd ideas thx

    p.s any gd websites for getting tuning parts thx talk soon
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #2
    i think your mates talks shit 1st off. imo, start with the 16v engine.
  3. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #3
    well how much max do u think i could push out of a 1.4? and is it worth doing any thing to it if i am going to change the engine can i keep some mods ?
  4. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #4
    well how much max do u think i could push out of a 1.4? and is it worth doing any thing to it if i am going to change the engine can i keep some mods ? sorry i know abit just not loads lol but i am learning fast
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #5
    if your going to change i would leave it alone. can get a 16v engine for £200.
  6. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #6
    maximum (and i mean going mental) from a westy would be sub 250 i rekon (like just over 200 but it would be highly unreliable and undriveable as a daily

    n would cost a few grand

    wheras if you start with a vts conversion n do similar mods (ie charging) you could see 350ish (colin and dean on 106oc spring to mind)


    daily useably mods on a vts could see about 160-165 quite happily
  7. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #7
    a few grand for a 250hp 1360cc 8v, try a fuck load of grands lol.

    mate jsut bang a vts engine in it, you will not need to do anyhting to it, save spending it on your wimpy (no offence) 1.4 and put a 120hp VTS lump in.

    a 75hp up to 120+ (140 with cams and a few breathing mods) will be mental compared to what your used to.
  8. Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 2087 saxo vtr mk2
    #8
    if you want a cheep turbo pm cobblers got his for 500 quid bad bodge job tho and will go pop big power is no were near cheep and only worth it if you are going to keep your car a long time
  9. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by don55 View Post
    a few grand for a 250hp 1360cc 8v, try a fuck load of grands lol.

    mate jsut bang a vts engine in it, you will not need to do anyhting to it, save spending it on your wimpy (no offence) 1.4 and put a 120hp VTS lump in.

    a 75hp up to 120+ (140 with cams and a few breathing mods) will be mental compared to what your used to.
    few means more than 1 lol

    prolly should have put a fair few grand tbh

    also with cams most vts lumps are nearer to 150 with a good map
  10. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #10
    yer i know, but i didnt mention a map

    only say that as i dont have a map yet, sounds awosme, idles like a V8 and shiiiifts over 6k
  11. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #11
    yea remember mine unmapped was epic for the idle (even after it was lumpy)

    cant wait till my 106 does it lol
  12. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #12
    ill get it mapped one day
  13. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #13
    ill get my cammed engine in one day lol

    then i can worry about mapping
  14. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #14
    ok thx guys i am going to drop a vts engine in now thx :0
  15. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stephen34 View Post
    ok thx guys i am going to drop a vts engine in now thx :0
    good choice my man
  16. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #16
    thx vary much dude
  17. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #17
    strip it too mate, im @ 720kg ish and have a power to weight of 195bhp. (give or take)

    concidering a R33 skyline GTR has 179.22 bhp/ton it gives you some idea of the performance that can be had from weight loss, also the breakes, suspension etc are having to do alot less work so perform phenomenally better
  18. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #18
    lol you whore don

    (mind i want a 700kg westcoast) i want 130bhp/ton from the 1.4
  19. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #19
    i didnt do the work, but 700kg is mental stripping, inside of the door cut out, sunroof cut out, boot cut till it only jsut holds together, no abs, no pas, no dash, to deadening, no paint, carbon bonnet, smaller battery, one mirror, all rubber gromits removed, bolt heads cut off, wiring loom taken out, chopped up for whats not used and then replaced etc.

    i jsut bought it like it

    but if i had bought it id be doing the same.
  20. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #20
    ok then guys i will just make my body work look gd atm and when i start my appeship i will start saving away for a vts engine drop i will get some one to put it in i have a question tho guys is the westcoast 1.4 be able to take the power of a vts engine and will i loss handling or do i not have to change any thing apart from the engine the cooling for the engine and put rear disks on the back apart from drums will that be ok or is there more work i should do because i dont want to change the engine and have to spend more money to changing parts on the car to cope with the power ?
  21. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 189
    #21
    brakes before power
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #22
    is that all i need to do ?
  23. Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 2087 saxo vtr mk2
    #23
    no mate suspension and breaks why have it with big bhp when you cant use it? so you shud make sure you can get the power down before you get the power sorry if it dont make sence bin a realy long day lol
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #24
    thats cool thx
  25. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Worthing Posts: 5660 Jap crap
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by don55 View Post
    a few grand for a 250hp 1360cc 8v, try a fuck load of grands lol.

    mate jsut bang a vts engine in it, you will not need to do anyhting to it, save spending it on your wimpy (no offence) 1.4 and put a 120hp VTS lump in.

    a 75hp up to 120+ (140 with cams and a few breathing mods) will be mental compared to what your used to.
    Only problem putting a vts engine in and adding more power, you will need to change the rear brakes and you should also look at bigger front brakes. For the rear you could take a beam off a vts and the fronts you could get hold of some second hand gti-6 breaks.

    I recon with the vts engine, cams and good breathing mods, you could see 150 once its been remapped of course
  26. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #26
    ye or i could just get black diamond brakes couldnt i they would do the job ?
    and ye i know about the rear beam people sell them on here so thats ok and i could just do black diamond brakes all the way round what u think ?
  27. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #27
    i wouldnt get something like them no

    they do mate a small improvement but nothing compared to what a 266 or even a 283mm setup would

    bigger is allways bettin in braking (to a certain extent anyway)
  28. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #28
    k will i work at halfords so getting the brakes of a pug 306gti is not going to be a problem do i have to change any thing to fit them or will they go on ok ? thx
  29. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #29
    need to angle grind a little bit off the carrier but other than that they bolt straight on

    youll see as soon as you offer up the carrier what needs grinding
  30. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #30
    ok fp and should i get them all round the car or just the front ?
  31. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #31
    just the fronts mate

    westy runs drums rear but a vtr/s beam will convert it to discs which is more than adequate
  32. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #32
    fe so u think i could get all thats needs to be done for about £2000 including the engine put in ?
  33. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #33
    could be a reasonable budget but i would budget more likr 2.5-3 just to be safe
  34. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #34
    they do quite good disk brakes for saxoes on ebay, including pads. have a look if your tryna keep the price down.
  35. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #35
    as said a simple disc/pad upgrade is nothing compared to a bigger setup
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #36
    Sell the westie and buy a proper vts - less hastle in the long run!

    Money from westie +2k = a nice late low mileage vts!
  37. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2006 Warrington Posts: 269 1.1999 Mango Saxo Westcoast 2.1956 Chevy 3200 Pick
    #37
    i was looking at doing this with my westy but i wanted to keep the drums to give it a proper sleeper look is that not do able
  38. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #38
    how much u do think i could sell my westcoast for then it has done 57 and i got it for £1200 lol ?
  39. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #39
    come to think of it i still want an engine swoop lol i will get it done at some point no matter what i have to change
  40. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by joshish View Post
    i was looking at doing this with my westy but i wanted to keep the drums to give it a proper sleeper look is that not do able
    it is doable yes

    theres a guy with a 1.1 vts n hes running the drums (i drove mine for a short while with drum rears

    they do minimal work tbh but the discs do hold up better (due to more heat from going faster)
  41. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #41
    ye i just need to save hard and not crash and then i am going to do it i think it would be fun to turn up one night and show all my m8s up with a vts inside the 1.4 they would not be able to tell right away lol
  42. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #42
    its called a sleeper lol

    its done quite a bit

    jps is the best westy imo running about 170hp at fly from a throttle bodied vts lump
    was featured in fcs a few months back
  43. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #43
    oh k thx m8 i just need to do it away from all my m8s and while i am doing that i will give the 1.4 engine to my bro when it is done to go in the 1.1 my m8s will be cluelless
  44. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #44
    citroen made a 1.4 flatarch so it wouldnt be that sleeper to 1.4 the 1.1 (unless the knew it as a 1.1 like)

    i prefer my way to do it lol
    i have a 95hp 1.4 8v pug motor to go in my westy

    still a 1.4 so good on insurance and tax ect but should keep up with vtrs when done
  45. Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 yateley Posts: 776 mrk 2 vtr cammed more to come :)
    #45
    well ye but when i get the money i am going to drop a vts engine in and with that it will keep up with my m8s 1.5 golf and give it a run for its money when i have camed it and remapped with everything else lol and it will bet a 1.4 twinport lol