TBs

2nd December 2008, 13:14

right i understand this gets asked ALOT, and the usual answers are: 'use the serch button' and 'google it' so please no snide answers!!

i HAVE already serched with no real solid info

My plan is to get the parts bit by bit then have the work done properly by a qualified mechanic!! so no DIY job is planned here
right what i want to know........

whats exactly needed for a TB conversion?
how much work is involved to get it setup?

whats the difference between non injection TBs to injection ones?

obiously i need some TBs, inlet mani, wiring loom, sponge filters?

what else do i need? names and prices would be good.

also how much would i be looking at for fitting?

any help is greatly appreciated!! also an imput from the mods would be good

PETE-VTR

2nd December 2008, 13:19

i dont think there would be any point in TB'd a Vtr, i can be done but if you have deep pockets.
I would expect better gains from a Vts tbh.

Heres a link to how much the kit is from kam.

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/peugeot-2...1-6-16v-3.html

Then you would need a standalone aswell. Good luck

2nd December 2008, 13:29

Not forgetting having it setup etc.
Headwork, uprated brakes etc. The list can go on and on!

Jenvey are also a well known manufactuer.

2nd December 2008, 13:30

mmmmmm tht kit looks tasty cheers mate

however would be cheapers to make a one off payment for the lot or get parts myself and make it work like that?

i will be cammin it at the same time when funds are available

2nd December 2008, 13:34

depends what sort of power your after mate, lots of money involved with n/a high powered engines especailly 8v's!

go boosted!!

2nd December 2008, 17:31

im going to be looking along the lines of about 180bhp at first then just hone it to perfection make sure everything is running correct etc that parts are not wearing to quickly,

however i plan to have it all done properly so that shouldnt be a big tissue.

whenever i hear the word boosted, first thing i think of is my mates R5GTT blowing turbo seals all the time, head gasket being cooked, driveshaft after driveshaft after clutch it was endless it really was.

id be interested in your boosted car what psi you running?

what componants etc.

gimme some details mr WIDE-VTR-TURBO

cheers mate PETE

2nd December 2008, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

im going to be looking along the lines of about 180bhp at first then just hone it to perfection make sure everything is running correct etc that parts are not wearing to quickly,

however i plan to have it all done properly so that shouldnt be a big tissue.

whenever i hear the word boosted, first thing i think of is my mates R5GTT blowing turbo seals all the time, head gasket being cooked, driveshaft after driveshaft after clutch it was endless it really was.

id be interested in your boosted car what psi you running?

what componants etc.

gimme some details mr WIDE-VTR-TURBO

cheers mate PETE

180bhp in a vtr on bodys?

irc hes selling that turbo car as parts.

2nd December 2008, 17:49

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Originally Posted by db_sax

irc hes selling that turbo car as parts.

why would he spend all that money on the conversion then sell it as parts??

...getting off the subject anyways, info on boddies please

2nd December 2008, 18:10

Its generally best to get the lot at the same time as a kit then at least you know all the parts are matched and you will generally get a good price on it getting it as a job lot. That and there is no point just have the odd bit laying about. I would recommend giving some one like GMC a call. They did my last car and it ran rings round most people cars on the track. The price was very good too.

2nd December 2008, 18:14

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Originally Posted by AXracing

Its generally best to get the lot at the same time as a kit then at least you know all the parts are matched and you will generally get a good price on it getting it as a job lot. That and there is no point just have the odd bit laying about. I would recommend giving some one like GMC a call. They did my last car and it ran rings round most people cars on the track. The price was very good too.

thanks mate much appreciated.

am i expecting too much bhp for a cammed and bodied R*??

although figures dont really do much for me its the delivery/reliability im more interested in.

2nd December 2008, 18:39

180bhp is perfectly possible from a normally aspirated VTR but it would be a lot of work and you would require many other parts. Your really talking a race engine with very regular servicing. Not really practical for a road car. If you are after a reliable 180bhp I would be looking at a supercharger and uprating your gearbox with a LSD and group N clutch. Though you will be talking many thousands for that. You could go turbo but they to tend to be quite harsh on things relatively speaking. If reliability is what your after supercharge and good servicing is the way to go

2nd December 2008, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

im going to be looking along the lines of about 180bhp at first then just hone it to perfection make sure everything is running correct etc that parts are not wearing to quickly,

however i plan to have it all done properly so that shouldnt be a big tissue.

whenever i hear the word boosted, first thing i think of is my mates R5GTT blowing turbo seals all the time, head gasket being cooked, driveshaft after driveshaft after clutch it was endless it really was.

id be interested in your boosted car what psi you running?

what componants etc.

gimme some details mr WIDE-VTR-TURBO

cheers mate PETE

As said in previous posts by gd16, 180bhp from and 8v n/a engine would not be a practical road car, it would be a pure track project, you'd have to spend a lot, (headwork, wild cam, etc) to reach that figure.

if you want that sort of figure from boost, i'd reccomed a supercharged setup, wish i'd gone with the charger option now, if i had and listened to john at gmc then it would have been finished long ago!! lol!

Im running wossner low comp pistons and forged rods, however as said a turbo is much more aggressive in the way the power comes in, with a supercharger you'll put less strain (depending on driving style) on other components. It all depends what your budget is, give john a call at gmc, explain what your budget is and what you want from your setup and he'll give you all the advice you need!!

Also speak to gd16 as looking at his spec, he has been down this route with great success!?

Dont forget whilst making your budget/list though that other items must be uprated also including: Brakes,Clutch,suspension,a decent radiator and intercooler, and standalone management would be advisable!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

180bhp in a vtr on bodys?

irc hes selling that turbo car as parts.

Was never splitting it for parts mate, was selling the car but changed my mind now after some difficulties have been sorted!

2nd December 2008, 23:36

180bhp out of a roadgoing 8v NA

HAHAHA! no chance.

Stop dreaming, 140-150 if you want to pass an mot or have an engine that is any use without a special set of ratios in the gearbox

To get 180bhp out of a 16v you need to spend LOTS

3rd December 2008, 00:21

180bhp out off a vtr is gona cost alot of money plus with all the labour, even on a vts you need to spend ££££ and to make 180 you need to run lairy cams so would need to uprate internals and headwork.
Id think about getting a Vts engine and rebuilding it then dropping it into your vtr.

3rd December 2008, 00:43

Thats what i was trying to explain.
180bhp is alot for a 1.6 8v n/a.

If you choose the boost road will cost you.
A lad for another town has a vtr turbo has spent thousands on it.
But Unique.

3rd December 2008, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

180bhp out of a roadgoing 8v NA

HAHAHA! no chance.

Stop dreaming, 140-150 if you want to pass an mot or have an engine that is any use without a special set of ratios in the gearbox

To get 180bhp out of a 16v you need to spend LOTS

Nothing is impossible mate so as said before keep your snide comments to yourself, im asking for constructive information!

right spoken to a bloke called john at gmc, he was very helpfull and saw i was talking serious he has emailed me a couple of ideas ie. setups, prices etc

carnt wait till the new year to get the ball rolling going to be a wicked project, with most probaly a few hickups on the way but thats just the way it goes

thanks for everyone for the constructive imput!

PETE

3rd December 2008, 13:19

It was constructive.

to get 180bhp NA out of a 8v engine as stated will be very peaky, will be almost no use on most gearboxes in the PSA range. Hence why i said ROADgoing.

By stating you want 180bhp and thinking its easy to 'start with' is dreaming imo. Running a wild cam will be very bad for emissions, which is obviously a big problem for MOT. A race car is fine but a road car needs this.

John had big power on standard inlet on his ax. Whether it would be any use on the road and not the track is a different matter.

3rd December 2008, 13:20

John is a great guy to talk to and knows what he's talking about from my experience!!

Good luck matey!!

3rd December 2008, 13:23

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Originally Posted by WIDE-VTR-TURBO

John is a great guy to talk to and knows what he's talking about from my experience!!

Good luck matey!!

johns one of the few people who tunes TU engines who has had longevity in the business, its a shame most people only want to use GMC when they need to sort out fucked up supercharger conversions by other companies.

GMC despite the fact johns sales pitches are not the best at times, imo should be the first point of call for anyone doing serious TU tuning.

3rd December 2008, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

johns one of the few people who tunes TU engines who has had longevity in the business, its a shame most people only want to use GMC when they need to sort out fucked up supercharger conversions by other companies.

GMC despite the fact johns sales pitches are not the best at times, imo should be the first point of call for anyone doing serious TU tuning.

Good advice mate!!

3rd December 2008, 13:27

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Originally Posted by WIDE-VTR-TURBO

Good advice mate!!

well with them you do have to just let the work speak for itself and ignore some of the sales spiel.

Many many people have used them after having bodged engines, and gmc have saved le bacon...