he who asks is a fool for minutes

1. user_20219 Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Cheshire Posts: 1471 white Mk1 1.1, White 2010 Skoda Superb

   #1 3rd December 2008, 15:11

   he who doesnt is a fool forever
   
   so im choosing to have minutes of being a fool
   
   what do throttle bodies do? why are they so good?
2. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

   #2 3rd December 2008, 15:23

   
3. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

   #3 3rd December 2008, 15:34

   basically a throttle body for each inlet
   
   standard we only have 1, so one for each = more air, more fuel and more power
   
   apart from them there are a lot of other things you have to do before, you cant just whack them on and expect it to run, you will need standalone ecu, cams, remapped few more things too bt you get the idea, for a 16 valver expect power gains of 160 - 190 bhp, a bit more if you spend money on the right parts
   
   have a search
4. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

   #4 3rd December 2008, 15:37

   Alright Don..Calm down..Good way to make people welcome..Not everybody has knowledge on this sort of thing..
   
   Back to the point, what Pred said..Allows more air into the engine so wilder cams which require more air can be used..All that equals more power obviously..
5. user_20219 Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Cheshire Posts: 1471 white Mk1 1.1, White 2010 Skoda Superb

   #5 3rd December 2008, 15:47

   ah reet, so rather than having 1 carb and injector you have a carb and injector on each cylinder?
   
   and thanks Don, i did say i didnt know and that i'd rather be a fool and find out.. ah well
6. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

   #6 3rd December 2008, 16:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by ben_glen ah reet, so rather than having 1 carb and injector you have a carb and injector on each cylinder? and thanks Don, i did say i didnt know and that i'd rather be a fool and find out.. ah well

   Fuel injection engines will have an injector per cylinder anyway. It's just the one throttle body allowing the air in intially though.
   
   Probably the biggest benifit of the individual throttle bodies set up, is the tuning available per cylinder. To gain more power with a natrual aspirated engine, you'll need to change the camshafts for ones which open the valves up for longer duration and also a greater distance. (lift) The problem you then encounter is that the car will not idle, mainly due to the inlet and exhaust valves both being open at the same time for too long of a duration. This is where the individual throttle bodies come in, as they allow tuning of the airflow per cylinder, and in turn an idle can be achieved. Obviously the total amount of air which can go into the cylinders is greater because of the bigger size in total inlet capacity too...
7. user_20219 Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Cheshire Posts: 1471 white Mk1 1.1, White 2010 Skoda Superb

   #7 3rd December 2008, 17:13

   ahhhhh all makes sense now, cheers Toad
8. davidandrews5343 Established Member Joined: May 2008 Basingstoke Posts: 1680 Subaru Impreza Newage WRX

   #8 3rd December 2008, 17:16

   what are the cams?
9. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #9 3rd December 2008, 17:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by davidandrews5343 what are the cams?

   they are what open and close the valve, well they are what effect the duration of what they are open for. valve springs etc... are involved

   1 user thanked this post: davidandrews5343
10. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #10 3rd December 2008, 17:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by davidandrews5343 what are the cams?

    the long thing on your roof that gives a signal to your radio. Needs remapping on mine though, very lairy arial with high lift for bit singal on radio 4
11. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #11 3rd December 2008, 18:01

    I know it becomes tedious explaining things to people who dont know much about cars, but surely it takes more effort to be sarcastic
12. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

    #12 3rd December 2008, 18:17

    what are the cams ?
    
    what is a throttle body ?
    
    im not being a know all dick, but there are prob 1000,000,000,000,000 sites on the net that explain this type of stuff.
13. user_21524 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 2087 saxo vtr mk2

    #13 3rd December 2008, 18:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by don55 what are the cams ? what is a throttle body ? im not being a know all dick, but there are prob 1000,000,000,000,000 sites on the net that explain this type of stuff.

    
    seconded! asked about 10 times a day now
14. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

    #14 3rd December 2008, 18:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dobbo_1 seconded! asked about 10 times a day now

    thank fuck its not jsut me then.
    
    i know i may come across a little strong form time to time, but i do have very valid input in the right threads.
15. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #15 3rd December 2008, 19:27

    Ive been on forums for a while now myself, I know where your coming from. But when I first started I found that sometimes someone explaining the exact things I wanted to know was a lot better. (might not be the case this time but you get what I mean)
    
    sometimes websites explain things too complicated...
16. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

    #16 3rd December 2008, 19:34

    they do but a si ple google of "whats a camshaft" will throw up a few esay to comprehend results.
    
    i know that wasn't the original post, and not digging at the guy asking that, its ok to ask in a thread.
17. Steve_90 Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Hampshire Posts: 1603

    #17 4th December 2008, 22:19

    Cant believe the amount a cunts that answer with stupid posts.
    If the question asked has annoyed you because some people want to learn then fuck off.
    So what if someone wants to ask a common or "tedious" question.
    Just dont reply.
18. Jaytee Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2006 Tyldesley, Manchester Posts: 5276 1.Saxo VTR 2.Saxo180

    #18 4th December 2008, 22:39

    This website is for people asking questions most peope dont mind answering why is it there are always a few who have to be smart arse's and try to get clever. Really makes the new members feel welcome.
19. rossj Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 1043 Saxo VTR 2001

    #19 4th December 2008, 23:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve_90 Cant believe the amount a cunts that answer with stupid posts. If the question asked has annoyed you because some people want to learn then fuck off. So what if someone wants to ask a common or "tedious" question. Just dont reply.

    Agreed
    
    Dont normally bother getting into confrontation on a forum but its a fucking joke seen 3 threads tonight all with dickheads moaning that its already been answered ect.
    
    it takes 2 seconds normally to answer the question if you care not to answer then dont, go away. Dont have a go at people over it.
20. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #20 4th December 2008, 23:14

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_stroke_engine
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throttle_body
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camshaft
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smegma
21. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #21 4th December 2008, 23:42

    not being funny but I didn't really understand how throttle bodies helped gain extra hp's and I'm great.
    
    so people getting arsy... put a fucking sock in it.
    
    thanks.
22. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #22 4th December 2008, 23:45

    i didnt know this lol
    
    cheers dudes
23. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #23 5th December 2008, 08:15

    Come on chaps, mind the language. It makes the site appear childish and chavy.
24. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #24 5th December 2008, 11:30

    A forum is to ask questions and have them answered..Its upto the mods to ask people to search and close threads etc..
    
    If somebody asks a question and you dont want to answer it or you are sick of seeing the same thing then ignore it..Let helpful people give the answers if they want..
    
    Its people with Don's attitude that got SSC in the shit with no members..
25. user_11402 Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 Bristol Posts: 2015 MK2 VTS

    #25 5th December 2008, 12:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adsayer not being funny but I didn't really understand how throttle bodies helped gain extra hp's and I'm great. so people getting arsy... put a fucking sock in it. thanks.

    +1 i also wanted to know the answer, thanks for making the thread!
26. user_15300 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Mansfield Posts: 6663 Astra Coupe Edition 100

    #26 5th December 2008, 12:25

    I agree. Thats what this section of the forum is for, asking questions about engine tuning etc and discussing it. Otherwise it would just be an internet page with information that no one can comment on.
    
    Some people just dont want to be helpful it seems.