tracking, toe in and turn in sesativity

9th December 2008, 08:03

right i have been having tracking issues recently with the saxo, had it tracked twice and i felt comfortable with it, changed the ball joint and it threw the tracking out, had it re done today the guy said my track rods were shot as they were floating im pretty sure they are meant to eanyway to the point

when i turn into a conrner the turn in is alot crisper and it turns in faster but seems to feel a bit under steery, have they toed the wheels in a bit to much?

thanks
rich

9th December 2008, 08:47

depends on a lot of things tbh

Tread left on your tyres? what tyres you using, surface of the road and condition where this is happenign.
Suspension on the car, how low are you at the rear how low you at the front, what shocks do you have.

Think i got my tracking done with 1 toe in last time, turns in fairly sharp, isnt really understeery either tbh and thats with a fucked steering rack as well.

9th December 2008, 10:03

the point being it hasnt done it befour.... would toe in cause this kind of behaviour?

9th December 2008, 10:49

yes of course it would.
But as i asked, what is the set up of your car.

When they did the tracking did they use lazer allignment?

9th December 2008, 11:07

the setup its
been lower 40mm on koni springs
brand new set of 195x45x15 yokeys all round
lowerd on torsion same amount on back
tbh it was moist this morning but last night it was quite dry but seemed very slidey...

it was laser aligned yer..

9th December 2008, 11:51

should be fine, didnt know koni made 40mm springs?

whats it like today? still understeery

9th December 2008, 12:05

it was today that i felt it now its dried up i am gogin to pop out at lunch from work, the back end seems quite "wallowy" if you get me seems a bit swaying, need new rear dampners?

9th December 2008, 12:09

yeah if its bouncy the shocks will be shot mate.
what shocks you got on it?

9th December 2008, 12:27

front wheels arent supposed to be parallel withe each other.

9th December 2008, 12:28

standard , just went for a drive wasn't really understeering just spinning the wheels so must be a grip issue ??

9th December 2008, 13:09

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

standard , just went for a drive wasn't really understeering just spinning the wheels so must be a grip issue ??

deffo, the roads round here are very greasy.

You got much tread left on your tyres.
My tyres are fairly good in the wet tbh grip like fuck, but on greasy surface just spin and under steer.

May just be your driving

9th December 2008, 13:56

yer like i said new yokohamas all round mine grip liek shit to a blanket in the wet but arent the last few days, maybe i have only jsut noticed it yesterday, it is very salt and crappy at the moment.
my driving wouldnt put it past it! lol

what dampners you recomend for the rear?

9th December 2008, 14:13

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

yer like i said new yokohamas all round mine grip liek shit to a blanket in the wet but arent the last few days, maybe i have only jsut noticed it yesterday, it is very salt and crappy at the moment.
my driving wouldnt put it past it! lol

what dampners you recomend for the rear?

billies are probably the best to get but pricey.

I have koni's front and rear.

If you want cheap ness but uprated you cant go wrong with spax tbh

9th December 2008, 14:20

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

the point being it hasnt done it befour.... would toe in cause this kind of behaviour?

yep man, it's probably the single biggest variable in car handling performance so toe adjustments need to be made very very carefully.

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9th December 2008, 14:41

does it sound like toe in or out?

9th December 2008, 14:50

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

does it sound like toe in or out?

from my experience toe-in, but my experience was based on a rear wheel drive vehicle man...

I think your tyres might be more of an issue though (as mentioned by a couple of others!)

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9th December 2008, 15:36

i might look after crimbo at them on kam

9th December 2008, 15:38

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

yer like i said new yokohamas all round ?

did you not read the thread?

9th December 2008, 15:55

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

did you not read the thread?

depends what yokos they are.

9th December 2008, 19:50

Apparently its toe-in for RWD toe-out for FWD but don't quote me on that

Today the steering felt different for some reason, not as good as usual, maybe to do with the road conditions...

9th December 2008, 20:04

iirc toe in on the front in fwd gives you more turn in?

9th December 2008, 20:12

no toe out gives you better turn in on fwd.

ive tried many different settings and ive found that parrallel was best. if it comes off the road to be a track car then ill toe it out slightly.

toe in on a rwd car will make it understeer, i do it on the cars at my work as its safer.

9th December 2008, 20:14

ive got yokos on my vts and if it even look like it is going to rain they spin they are a shit hot dry tyre but do not like the wet atoll and if yoy car is lowerd then trackink it with lasier gadges wont get it wright it will need a geomatry to set it up propply

9th December 2008, 20:15

the saxo is set as toe in

9th December 2008, 20:26

sum yokos are crap in the wet

10th December 2008, 08:55

so basically we are concluding its probably set right but its jsut crap roads at the moment but it seems a little sensative...

10th December 2008, 09:03

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Originally Posted by vtr-richie

so basically we are concluding its probably set right but its jsut crap roads at the moment but it seems a little sensative...

yes thats what i would say mate. Struggle to find a decent road surface this time of year imo

11th December 2008, 08:26

if i did minimal adjustments how would i make the steering slightly less sensative around the centre...