FAO: Raceland Manifold Owners (VTS)

9th December 2008, 22:27

Heard their fitting is pants and you need to modify them to fit... which is not cool. But would like to hear your thoughts and experiences

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9th December 2008, 22:28

sayer its a cunt to fit, lower gearbox mount i left unattached as do alot of people lol!

Need to do the nuts up in a set order due to the way the primaries bend.

performance per £££ though they are the best thing there is from RR graphs ive seen

9th December 2008, 22:29

Think thats just the VTR version man. Mine went straight on 1st time no problemos. Wrapped it pretty thickly too and i doesnt foul anything.

9th December 2008, 22:36

I've been looking between the Raceland one and the Janspeed one. I know the Janspeed is mild steel but for the same price which would most of you recommend? Sorry to hijack like this! But i'm interested in fitting too, to a Mk1 VTS

9th December 2008, 22:38

argh Ryan so we're talking about the VTS here yeah?

9th December 2008, 22:41

yes, primary one is the one thats the arse (well far left one) need to put that one on first iirc, and then slowly move the manifold back as you tighten the bolts.

Its an arse but i fitted and removed the fannymould a few times on my rallye engine dude.

If you get the 16V I can help fit it if you have the car dowwwwwwwwwn souffff

9th December 2008, 22:41

I have no problems recommending the raceland for a VTS. Mine is a single plug so the same running gear as the mk1 VTS & the manifold costs like £130 it fitted first time, maybe i was lucky but i dont remember having to do anything special to get it and all the bolts in. I ran it for a month or so then took it off & heat wrapped it and refitted it again with no problems even with the extra thickness from the wrap. Had no issues attaching the gearbox mount either.

Been running it for about a year now too.

9th December 2008, 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

yes, primary one is the one thats the arse (well far left one) need to put that one on first iirc, and then slowly move the manifold back as you tighten the bolts.

Its an arse but i fitted and removed the fannymould a few times on my rallye engine dude.

If you get the 16V I can help fit it if you have the car dowwwwwwwwwn souffff

sounds groovy... not going to leave a gearbox mount off though...

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Originally Posted by Mystic

I have no problems recommending the raceland for a VTS. Mine is a single plug so the same running gear as the mk1 VTS & the manifold costs like £130 it fitted first time, maybe i was lucky but i dont remember having to do anything special to get it and all the bolts in. I ran it for a month or so then took it off & heat wrapped it and refitted it again with no problems even with the extra thickness from the wrap. Had no issues attaching the gearbox mount either.

Been running it for about a year now too.

interesting

must be a slight difference in 3 plug maybe?

9th December 2008, 22:44

Mine fitted my VTS no problems.

9th December 2008, 22:46

i just didnt get round to fitting the lower box mount as the car was having work done to it, I know a few who have left them off after the mount snapped from the manifold.

I was going to use one on my old engine, its only because of the system i have now theres no point

9th December 2008, 22:49

OK then...

Change of question...

What is the best (for N/A) 4-2-1 manifold available???

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9th December 2008, 22:51

according to the RR graph of davePs engine the raceland.

Notable differences between the way the power was produced compaired to the GMC 4-1.

theres a few more graphs floating around somewhere aswell compairing it vs supersprint.

LOTS of people on a fair few forums have all run racelands.

And as you know the best will be determined on engine spec. A raceleand wont flow very well on a 230bhp NA engine, which is why the pugsport manifold is designed how it is,

9th December 2008, 22:54

Personally ad, for your money your best buying a raceland manifold, no point spending 200 quid extra on a supersprint because the gains will be so tiny you wouldnt notice!
Spend that 200 quid on something else

9th December 2008, 22:58

Thank you all

9th December 2008, 22:59

What about the Janspeed one?

9th December 2008, 23:00

you suck le dong!!

how hardcore do you plan to go on the valver.

(pm if needbe)

9th December 2008, 23:09

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Originally Posted by JoshB

What about the Janspeed one?

Never had a problem, fit really good!

9th December 2008, 23:12

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Originally Posted by Ryan

you suck le dong!!

how hardcore do you plan to go on the valver.

(pm if needbe)

hardcore??? naaaa up to cammed eventually and that'll be it tbh. Because of the remap I want to get best bits (within reason) for exhaust and intake first.

and I'm keen to not have an offensively loud and shit sounding saxo at the same time

9th December 2008, 23:22

dont get a supersprint then lol!

Magnex for you imo.

9th December 2008, 23:33

think its worth me changing manifoldthen?

9th December 2008, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Yates

think its worth me changing manifoldthen?

for the cost not really much point.

I just went raceland as the RR graphs on rallye reg from daves made interesting reading.

10th December 2008, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Yates

think its worth me changing manifoldthen?

tbh I'm surprised you had a 4-1 on yours man, only because it shifts the torque up the rev range even further... (good for outright bhp - but not so good for spreading the power tbh). Personally your car runs sweet anyway so I'd leave it

10th December 2008, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Ryan

dont get a supersprint then lol!

Magnex for you imo.

standard maybes...??

10th December 2008, 00:41

not sure on how restrictive the standard would be on a cammed engine dude.

10th December 2008, 00:45

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Originally Posted by Ryan

not sure on how restrictive the standard would be on a cammed engine dude.

that's my concern man... as I didn't want to decat it either...

what about the centre section as that's got a 2nd silencer in it... what can i replace that with?

10th December 2008, 00:48

replace it with a system that has a box in, it will keep the resonation down at motorway rpm imo, aswell as the overall noise wont be as much as a straight through system.

If you hear what mines like with nothing but a rear box you will see why I say 3 box system for YAAAAWW!!!

Could allways just get the cams in, and get her on the rollers, see if the exhaust is restricting it certain rpms etc...

might be able to get away with it

10th December 2008, 00:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

replace it with a system that has a box in, it will keep the resonation down at motorway rpm imo, aswell as the overall noise wont be as much as a straight through system.

If you hear what mines like with nothing but a rear box you will see why I say 3 box system for YAAAAWW!!!

gotcha... cheers man x

10th December 2008, 00:50

got in before my edit cunt

10th December 2008, 11:38

What about if you had manifold, standard cat, abp centre section & the magnex rearbox?

I've got raceland, decat, magnex centre box, magnex backbox. Ideally i'd like it to be quieter than it is but compared to other exhausts i've heard mine is quiet.

When i put the cat in the car doesnt feel much different tbh, the exhaust note is a bit mre grumbly which sounds quite nice. I've heard a few people say what a difference the decat makes though.

At least if you have the option to put the cat on or off you can just pop it back on for MOTs and off for trackdays etc if you think its holding you back.

10th December 2008, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Mystic

What about if you had manifold, standard cat, abp centre section & the magnex rearbox?

I've got raceland, decat, magnex centre box, magnex backbox. Ideally i'd like it to be quieter than it is but compared to other exhausts i've heard mine is quiet.

When i put the cat in the car doesnt feel much different tbh, the exhaust note is a bit mre grumbly which sounds quite nice. I've heard a few people say what a difference the decat makes though.

At least if you have the option to put the cat on or off you can just pop it back on for MOTs and off for trackdays etc if you think its holding you back.

Funny you should mention that mate, I was just looking at Magnex's and then what to do with the centre section...
abp centre section then? assume that's just a straight-thru is it? Sounds good tbh. any more info on it man? Cost? where to buy? etc

Cat if at all possible will stay on, however if it is severely hampering performance I'll go though the ball ache of changing it for MOT's if need be.

Cheers!

10th December 2008, 11:56

Takes 30 mins to swap it over for MOTs, i always spend half a day before hand giving the car my own MOT anyway. so it needs to be jacked up to check for play in the wheels/bushes!

ABP centre section is a straight though version of magnex centre box pipe, was made by www.abpmotorsport.co.uk i think.

The cat doesnt have the same sound deadening qualities as one of the muffler boxes in the exhaust though so it will probs be louder doing it that way.

10th December 2008, 12:32

in my experience though no center box gets a tad annoying on longer drives.

on both of my saxos when ive had straight through systems theres been more resonating at set motorway speeds that pisses you off compaired to the systems with a middle box

10th December 2008, 12:34

Just for search purposes.

The GMC 4-1 is also a bitch to fit, it touches the gearbox and sits low. So much i had to adjust my backbox to stop it melting my bumper as it had been pushed upwards so much.

10th December 2008, 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

I've got raceland, decat, magnex centre box, magnex backbox. Ideally i'd like it to be quieter than it is but compared to other exhausts i've heard mine is quiet.

I'm running exactly the same ... Not loud and OTT but picks up abit after 4k RPM.

I've also heard the GMC 4-1 Manifold sits low and people have had problems in this aspect.

10th December 2008, 17:45

i kno this threads about the vts but i have a raceland on my r and and i had to make a bracket to attach the g/box to the bracket on the mani, was around and inch and a half away, was a noticeable increase in power though

10th December 2008, 17:50

i had to remove the fan to get it up through the front of the engine bay, but other than that went straight on

10th December 2008, 18:47

cant go wrong with raceland for the money, personally i fucking hate them.
Dont like the bends etc nor the build quality, seen a few where the welds have cracked.

Also piper 4-1 never had any problems with these in the past.

Get on SSC GMC doing a deal for xmas on the BTB manifold.

10th December 2008, 19:07

Never had any issues with my raceland sayer. Its knocking on two years old and is still fine. Yes they can be a bit of a bitch to fit and I had to leave the gearbox mount off, but it hasnt made any difference to how its mounted. As for build quality ive heard its hit and miss where some are better than others but of the three ive seen they all looked fine.

11th December 2008, 23:07

I am going to fit the raceland manifold to my mk2 vts this weekend. Is there anything in particular I need to watch out for? Ideally I'd have the car up on ramps so I can go underneath it but all I have is a 3 tonne jack (and two other small jacks) - will this be sufficient in getting the car up high enough to fix the manifold from underneath? What is the best way to go about this?

Sorry for the daft questions but I'd like to do this myself this weekend as I've heard its a pretty straightforward job to do...

12th December 2008, 08:06

Got a Raceland on mine, For the price of one of them compared to others you could have two racelands and it would still be reasonable.

atm i've got a raceland 4-2-1, standard cat, supersprint race and piper backbox, not to loud when cruising down the motorway.

12th December 2008, 17:17

Mine fitted fine, no specific order needed to tighten the nuts at all. Gear box mount fitted fine as well.

Not a problem with fitting mine at all. Spot on for the value and been proved to work quite well so I can't complain at all.

12th December 2008, 17:23

I think its more of an 8v problem with the racelands fitting 16v ones seem fine

12th December 2008, 17:24

had to cut the gearbox mount off mine, and couldnt tighten one nut due to having heatwrap on, apart from that its worth the cash.

25th December 2008, 16:09

i wanna buy one of this!! but i'm not decided yet !

25th December 2008, 16:42

the one bolt was a pain in the arse!!,

Btw what is the main difference performance wise with the 4-2-1 and the 4-1 everyone seems to have a 4-2-1 i take it there better than the 4-1 ???

25th December 2008, 18:59

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Originally Posted by n123

i wanna buy one of this!! but i'm not decided yet !

so you dont want to buy one?!

25th December 2008, 19:00

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Originally Posted by pug205gti87

the one bolt was a pain in the arse!!,

Btw what is the main difference performance wise with the 4-2-1 and the 4-1 everyone seems to have a 4-2-1 i take it there better than the 4-1 ???

4-1 gives you the power higher up the rev range and i believe 4-2-1 gives you it earlier or steadily thru the range, cant quite remember

25th December 2008, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Yates

4-1 gives you the power higher up the rev range and i believe 4-2-1 gives you it earlier or steadily thru the range, cant quite remember

Correct

Sayer am getting one in Jan

Honestly they aint bad to fit

25th December 2008, 19:14

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on both of my saxos when ive had straight through systems theres been more resonating at set motorway speeds that pisses you off compaired to the systems with a middle box

Just to add am running a straight throught supersprint and the rear magnum back motorway driving its spot on as its just the right sound level

25th December 2008, 19:32

didnt alexr on a certain forum state that with a cammed engine the standard exhaust and a decat will suffice?

25th December 2008, 19:49

i fitted mine with the alternator and the radiator off and was still a c*nt to fit , not actually a bad mani imo slayer!

25th December 2008, 19:54

mine went straight on no bother

25th December 2008, 20:26

so how do they actually fit on mk1 vtr's seen a few people say that they think they are an arse, but has anyone here actualy fited one to a mk1 vtr. How was it to fit

28th December 2008, 14:40

Sorry to ressurect an old thread but am having problems today trying to fit a raceland manifold to my mk2 VTS. First off fitment is shite - you're lucky if it went on no problems. The two problems I'm having are:
1. Gear box mount and manifold bracket are wayyyyy off lol.
2. lamda sensor is too short to to reach up to its plug.

With regard to point one, could I just make up a bridging bracket to join the two? I don't like to idea of the manifold carrying an unnecessary tension/weight from the exhaust when it can be secured using a bracket. For point two, will I need a longer sensor from citroen?

Help appreciated. When I've finished I'd upload a detailed step-by-step picture guide of fitment and the problems exprienced as I've been taking photos whilst working.

28th December 2008, 14:43

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Originally Posted by hudson701

Sorry to ressurect an old thread but am having problems today trying to fit a raceland manifold to my mk2 VTS. First off fitment is shite - you're lucky if it went on no problems. The two problems I'm having are:
1. Gear box mount and manifold bracket are wayyyyy off lol.
2. lamda sensor is too short to to reach up to its plug.

With regard to point one, could I just make up a bridging bracket to join the two? I don't like to idea of the manifold carrying an unnecessary tension/weight from the exhaust when it can be secured using a bracket. For point two, will I need a longer sensor from citroen?

Help appreciated. When I've finished I'd upload a detailed step-by-step picture guide of fitment and the problems exprienced as I've been taking photos whilst working.

for gear box mount, did you try and attach it after you had tightened the head mani studs? If so, leave it perched on top of then untighted and get box mount on and tighten all at the same time.

and the sensor, did you run it round the back of the engine?

28th December 2008, 19:13

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Originally Posted by The_Notorious_C_A_T

for gear box mount, did you try and attach it after you had tightened the head mani studs? If so, leave it perched on top of then untighted and get box mount on and tighten all at the same time.

and the sensor, did you run it round the back of the engine?

Got the bracket to fit now! Used a copper mallet to gently bend the bracket, loosened off all the studs on the mani/head interface as you said and it went on fine

Thanks for advice.

However the lamda plug is still too short by about 6-8 inches or so. Will try and feed it up the back of the engine to see if this works however still think it will be a little short.

28th December 2008, 19:23

Haha yeah just fed the lamda sensor up the back of the engine and it clipped in easy, plenty of give

again thanks for advice!

28th December 2008, 19:45

mine went on without too much hassle mate.
you just need to fiddle about with the nuts to get them tight as the primaries are close.

but to be fair, it took me the same length of time to fit my GMC btb one to the vtr lol

i didnt bother with the gearbox mount, i just cut the thing off, i never use them anyway tbh.

defo well worth it for the money IMO
go for it

29th December 2008, 00:23

I know mine's a VTR, but mine took some modifying (not too much, but abit) and i can safely say that even though i did have to modify... It's still the best thing i bought for my Saxo. I love it.

29th December 2008, 10:50

note to all - protech manifolds are cunts to fit aswell

7th March 2009, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

note to all - protech manifolds are cunts to fit aswell

note to all... I fucking hate Raceland.

7th March 2009, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

note to all - protech manifolds are cunts to fit aswell

my pro-tech was a piece of piss gav, 10min job onto a 16v..
onlything that was a cunt was the gearbox mount hole, way out

7th March 2009, 19:57

yes was on my 8v tho mate saying that Ive got a manifold to fit to my gti next week so not good

7th March 2009, 19:58

oh right must be alot different for the vts then, haha good luck

7th March 2009, 20:05

lets be honest it cant be any worse than trying to get the lambda sensor off in its standard position

7th March 2009, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

note to all... I fucking hate Raceland.

Note to all, i fucking hate shit tool kits

7th March 2009, 20:06

thats true, i ended up selling my standard mani with it still on