1.4 flatarch, drag or track?

1. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

   #1 12th December 2008, 16:13

   i was gonna get a vts engine for my car but cant get insured so i think i might get a 1.4 furio engine (mines a 20001.1 btw), what do you guyy think it would be better to set it up as? straight line speed or track? and what mods would be best for the setup, o and ive already got a rear disk beam waiting to go on so brakes shouldnt be a problem?
   thanx
2. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #2 12th December 2008, 16:14

   no point setting a 1.4 or even a saxo up for straightline speed tbh lol
3. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

   #3 12th December 2008, 16:20

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ryan no point setting a 1.4 or even a saxo up for straightline speed tbh lol

   thats what i thought lol, when i put drag i didnt mean i wanted to make a drag car lol just summin that goes fast in a straight line lol, but it gets people looking lol
   
   
   so before anyone says it, i dont wanna make a drag car out of a 1.4 engine
4. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #4 12th December 2008, 16:20

   straight line speed you need power. So with the current engine and no mods its not going to set the world alight.
   
   Now on the track you just need to carry the speed around the corners! With a well thought out chassis and suspension spec you can use the good handling and lightweight to your advantage.
   
   I used to track a 1.4 rallye (Peugeot 205) and it was a screamer. Somewhere on the web used to be a vid of me passing a 170bhp saxo, I had 78.2bhp at the wheels
5. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

   #5 12th December 2008, 16:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by KamRacing straight line speed you need power. So with the current engine and no mods its not going to set the world alight. Now on the track you just need to carry the speed around the corners! With a well thought out chassis and suspension spec you can use the good handling and lightweight to your advantage. I used to track a 1.4 rallye (Peugeot 205) and it was a screamer

   
   
   yea i kno what you mean, i can keep up with bigger cars round corners atm, but they just run off on a straight line, obvs not on public road,
   
   s the rallye engine 16 valve?
   
   edit: plzzz find me that vid lol
6. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #6 12th December 2008, 16:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by wigansaxo yea i kno what you mean, i can keep up with bigger cars round corners atm, but they just run off on a straight line, obvs not on public road, s the rallye engine 16 valve? edit: plzzz find me that vid lol

   1.4 8v lol. it helped to have £2K worth of suspension and slick tyres. Cornered as fast as a group A 205 that I met once at Silverstone and I had some room for improvement too. Got ride though as I bought the 309 shell.
   
   Up the straights it takes a lot of extra power to overcome a deficit on the corners. Overtaking could be a struggle sometimes though
7. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

   #7 12th December 2008, 16:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by KamRacing 1.4 8v lol. it helped to have £2K worth of suspension and slick tyres. Cornered as fast as a group A 205 that I met once at Silverstone and I had some room for improvement too. Got ride though as I bought the 309 shell. Up the straights it takes a lot of extra power to overcome a deficit on the corners. Overtaking could be a struggle sometimes though

   
   
   god dam lol,any 1.4 16v engines that just drop in? dont think mines gonna have 2k of suspension lol
8. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #8 12th December 2008, 16:35

   there is the 206 Quicksilver engine but it needs a lot of work doing to get to produce decent power. (its a 1.4 16v)
9. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

   #9 12th December 2008, 17:14

   this guys running a rediculas BHP saxo VTS engined drag car
   
   
   Running 500+bhp on vts lump
10. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

    #10 12th December 2008, 17:17

    :0 its got bald tyres lol
    
    that looks fuking mental
11. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #11 12th December 2008, 17:18

    car above, beast like the exhaust
12. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

    #12 12th December 2008, 17:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John_1.1i car above, beast like the exhaust

    
    
    just a manifold fitted wrong reli lol
13. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #13 12th December 2008, 17:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wigansaxo just a manifold fitted wrong reli lol

    i think its so the gases exit the car quickly ??
14. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #14 12th December 2008, 17:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John_1.1i i think its so the gases exit the car quickly ??

    Its a 3 inch pipe bolted straigh from the huge turbo out
15. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #15 12th December 2008, 17:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo Its a 3 inch pipe bolted straigh from the huge turbo out

    i and lol, im just saying
    
    i dont need a run down of exhaust sizes
16. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #16 12th December 2008, 17:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by John_1.1i i and lol, im just saying i dont need a run down of exhaust sizes

    So am i , Yano, to clear up what people wer asking.., would you liek me to change it to, "its a PIPE from the turbo striaght out ?
17. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #17 12th December 2008, 17:28

    anyways its still a beast, any engine images ??
18. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

    #18 12th December 2008, 17:29

    try pm's^^^^^^^ lol
19. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #19 12th December 2008, 17:32

    
    
    
    
20. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #20 12th December 2008, 17:34

    yep thats a beast of a engine, and the manifold
21. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #21 12th December 2008, 17:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wigansaxo :0 its got bald tyres lol

    there called slicks lol
    
    a decent little 1.4 motor is the xsi engine from a 106
22. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #22 12th December 2008, 17:37

    im well jealouse of it lol, and the guys from turky!
23. Shak Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Bournemouth Posts: 176 saxo vts 106 xsi

    #23 12th December 2008, 17:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS there called slicks lol a decent little 1.4 motor is the xsi engine from a 106

    I can vouch for the xsi motor, it dominates furio's.
24. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #24 12th December 2008, 19:16

    the xsi is 95bhp thats why its better than a furio
25. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #25 12th December 2008, 20:46

    the furio engine was never meant to be quick though, the intake systems a joke. Was meant for economy and the idea of the furio was for people who wanted VTR/S looks and handling without the power. XSi's are awesome lol
26. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

    #26 13th December 2008, 03:31

    so id be better with an xsi? i have a racland indunction kit that will be going on and i would get a zaust and minifold so that will do for starters but what should i do to the shassie/handleing?
27. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #27 13th December 2008, 03:54

    As said mate, 1.4 furio is for the grandad population really.
    
    The 1.4 XSI pug is a decent engine.
    
    But tbh, you'd be better off just going out and buying a VTS, and just use it for track if you cant get decent insurance. Then use day insurance or something?
28. user_21524 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 2087 saxo vtr mk2

    #28 13th December 2008, 03:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo im well jealouse of it lol, and the guys from turky!

    get selling the kebabs and one day you will have a 500 bhp saxo lol
29. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #29 13th December 2008, 06:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dobbo_1 get selling the kebabs and one day you will have a 500 bhp saxo lol

    lmao!, You buy! kebab! ?
30. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #30 13th December 2008, 13:08

    i though like 300, 350 was the moost bhp anyone had got out of a saxo. is that drag on road legal?
31. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

    #31 13th December 2008, 13:46

    Favourite vid on youtube is tht saxo dominating a s2000 turbo. Anyone knw wt tyms it can run up the quarter i imagine 12's?
32. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #32 13th December 2008, 14:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Paul As said mate, 1.4 furio is for the grandad population really. The 1.4 XSI pug is a decent engine. But tbh, you'd be better off just going out and buying a VTS, and just use it for track if you cant get decent insurance. Then use day insurance or something?

    or you could go buy an old westfeild for a few grand an use that and it would be epicly better
    
    buying a faster car wsnt his question
    
    i get fed up of get a vts comments
33. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #33 13th December 2008, 14:31

    i have a very cheap 1.4 engine if your interested PM me
34. Danborambo Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Wakefield Posts: 315 VTR

    #34 13th December 2008, 15:03

    How many places did you try to get insured with a vtr engine with?
    
    If your wanting more speed you could get plenty of engines bigger than a 1.4. its just knowing what your working with i guess
    
    Have you got someone who will fit it for you, or are you going to do it yourself?
35. Rogz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 Sunderland Posts: 726 Banned.

    #35 13th December 2008, 15:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wigansaxo so id be better with an xsi? i have a racland indunction kit that will be going on and i would get a zaust and minifold so that will do for starters but what should i do to the shassie/handleing?

    strip it, theres not much else you can do really. And i mean strip it beyond the rear seats... When you strip it your going to have to go very ghetto. Think about what you don't need really. I've just fitted a plexi glass screen in my boot lid. I was very surprised just how heavy the glass actually is and ill be doing the sun roof and rear side windows also. Take out all the carpet, door panels, replace the dash with a flocked one. Things like this will improve its handling and speed all round. You'll be surprised at the difference tbh!
36. wigansaxo Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2008 wigan Posts: 3787 citroen saxo 1.1 forte(sold) sierra sapphire 1.8 v

    #36 13th December 2008, 16:05

    ill let you kno about the engine
    
    i t was a vts engine mate and i only tryed two and then give up lol, would be more than i could afford anyways, and yea i got someone with a garage to fit it and ill be helping, he fixes taxies for a job so he has the props tools etc,
    
    
    and yea im gonna strip it and put perspex rear quater windows in
37. Danborambo Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Wakefield Posts: 315 VTR

    #37 13th December 2008, 16:08

    Ah right nice one, how much is he charging you to fit it?
    Whats most you can get out of a 1.4? and everyone seems to have problems trying to get a vtr into a flat arch, how come everyone get so many problems?
38. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #38 13th December 2008, 16:17

    rogs how does a flocked dash improve handeling
    removed dash is good for weight lol
    
    a well prepped 1.4 can be very fast
    look up piggy123 his westy was pretty good
    cammed stripped track toy
    
    and as some of you know im doing an xsi engines 'westy' to run on track
    
    mostly concentrate on stopping and cornering and youll be very suprised how well it will go on track
39. razza987 Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Wolverhampton, W. Mids Posts: 101 VTR, Nissan 200SX, Vauxhall Omega, Reliant racecar

    #39 14th December 2008, 17:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wigansaxo and yea im gonna strip it and put perspex rear quater windows in

    Just to clear this up, you don't want perspex, you want polycarbonate (4mm). Perpsex shatters, polycarbonate doesn't
    Raz
40. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

    #40 14th December 2008, 17:55

    bang a 1.4 engine in and dont tell anyone, might as well, wont take fuck all work, cost nothing really nad will get you 15hp