L.A.D Motorsport

12th December 2008, 20:52

Has anyone had the LAD motorsport conversion done?

£1000 for 40bhp seems pretty cheap to me and wondered if anyone has backed their claims up.

http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/

12th December 2008, 20:53

they are full of shit with bhp claims

12th December 2008, 21:01

With ryan on this one! Not heard one good thing about them!

12th December 2008, 21:09

Thought it sounded a little cheap.

Has anyone here actually had the conversion done?

12th December 2008, 21:10

can't see it being cost affective for them.

12th December 2008, 21:33

I cant remember where ive read it, but im close to convinced ive read that the bhp figures they quote arent correct but that their work is decent.

I will have a quick search and see if I can find who said it **edit** surprisingly searching motorsport brings up a LOT lol, no chance of finding it

12th December 2008, 21:41

their work isnt meant to be that bad but their rolling road must be a cotton reel and a man and his calculator the figures are that exagerated

12th December 2008, 21:45

You have made laugh. Sounds like theirs money in that lark Ryan, lets set one up and charge £40 a power run

12th December 2008, 21:49

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Originally Posted by saxo_ron

You have made laugh. Sounds like theirs money in that lark Ryan, lets set one up and charge £40 a power run

Or just attack the head with a dremel randomly and claim to be a head specialist

Ask craig (saxo180) about his 180bhp engine

12th December 2008, 21:51

was going to mention mr 180
headwork and cams running 180 is definatly not right lol

12th December 2008, 21:51

You're not filling me with confidence!!!

12th December 2008, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

was going to mention mr 180
headwork and cams running 180 is definatly not right lol

hahah yeah 180 on standard inlet with no headwork

12th December 2008, 21:53

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Originally Posted by JoshB

You're not filling me with confidence!!!

have you taken the car then if so expect a rolling road printout about 30bhp less when you get it on non LAD rollers

12th December 2008, 21:56

JoshB theres people with more knowledge than me but from what ive seen fitting cams such as 708's or ph3's and a bit of headwork seems to make in the region of 150 - 160hp. I dont think at that stage of tuning headwork is really necessary unless going further.

So how much is a dremel these days....who needs a flow bench??

12th December 2008, 22:01

andy widds on here had some work done there and his vts ran some good times and york raceway, consistantly aswell.

12th December 2008, 22:02

Cheers, for the help guys, think I'll give them a miss. Nt sure if the cars got the cams replaced already. Think i'll get it RR'd first before I do anything else.

12th December 2008, 22:02

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

andy widds on here had some work done there and his vts ran some good times and york raceway, consistantly aswell.

Aye like I say im sure ive read that the work is decent just not figures quoted. Just copuldnt find the thread where it was

12th December 2008, 22:14

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

andy widds on here had some work done there and his vts ran some good times and york raceway, consistantly aswell.

people on here cant really say bad things about them ifthey aint had first hand experience .... andy is proof that LAD Motorsport's conversion does make one hell of a difference and is reliablefor the money aswel.
and my mate had his 106 GTI headwork done by them and he went up against a Civic Type-R at santa pod (will ask him when it was) and beat that by a far bit with good times aswel....he's also had no problems what so ever with his engine and plans on gettin cams

i'd say go for it mate as you WILL notice a BIG difference in performance and torque! just dont listen to figures as their are a little high i must admit the work is very good with one hell of a difference

up to you though mate

12th December 2008, 22:16

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Originally Posted by VTS-Boi

people on here cant really say bad things about them ifthey aint had first hand experience .... andy is proof that LAD Motorsport's conversion does make one hell of a difference and is reliablefor the money aswel.
and my mate had his 106 GTI headwork done by them and he went up against a Civic Type-R at santa pod (will ask him when it was) and beat that by a far bit with good times aswel....he's also had no problems what so ever with his engine and plans on gettin cams

i'd say go for it mate as you WILL notice a BIG difference in performance and torque! just dont listen to figures as their are a little high i must admit the work is very good with one hell of a difference

up to you though mate

Except for the fact NO lad car has ever made the powers LAD quote

thats where i dont feel the advertising is good

12th December 2008, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Except for the fact NO lad car has ever made the powers LAD quote

thats where i dont feel the advertising is good

yeh i mentioned that the figures are high and tbh they are nowhere near what they claim....170bhp from headwork

(dreamers

) but there is a big difference in performance i must admit

12th December 2008, 22:20

yeah, they claim high figures, but from what ive seen a car with just their headwork was a quick car imo.

12th December 2008, 22:22

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

yeah, they claim high figures, but from what ive seen a car with just their headwork was a quick car imo.

my mates gti is very quick mate....he beat a type-r (like sed) with only headwork,a 4branch manifold and an exhaust

and before the VTEC kicked in the gti was pullin like a bitch

12th December 2008, 22:25

When they state they 'revise the camshaft timing' does this not involve re-profiling the cams?

12th December 2008, 23:19

revising the cam timing is jus adjusting the timing on the cambelt pulleys!
Nothing to do with reprofiling cams!

12th December 2008, 23:51

As soon as a seen L.A.D in the tittle I was expecting another horror story. That or yet another why does my 180bhp kit make closer to standard power than that?

13th December 2008, 06:38

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Originally Posted by Nick_106

revising the cam timing is jus adjusting the timing on the cambelt pulleys!
Nothing to do with reprofiling cams!

So altering the cam timing only narrows/widens the TDC angle? And Performance cams just alter the valve lift?

I'll get there eventually!

13th December 2008, 13:09

Andy's was a quick car but iirc Ricky RPM did alot of work on it

Craig (saxo180) pretty sure he has un done most the work they did though hasnt he? sure in pug performance mag or what ever it was he said its running 141bhp ish

Heard many terror stories about L.A.D and would stay clear personally.

Just reading their site now claim 160bhp not 180bhp lol

13th December 2008, 13:23

from what i've seen on the racetrack the LAD prepared cars go very well indeed.

The old power claims did seem high but I can only presume that they were marketing to Max Power readers and not enthusiasts

Not sure what spec craigs care is now but he would get higher than 141bhp with just catcam 708s!

13th December 2008, 13:38

I forgot about the site

Quote:

ENGINE and EXHAUST
Power raised to approximately 160 bhp at the flywheel by extensive cylinder head modification, incorporating larger inlet and exhaust ports and revised camshaft timing. An exhaust manifold and system based on the rally Kit Car engine can be fitted to the 160 bhp kit; this produces another 10 bhp raising the power output to approximately 170 bhp.

why spend thousands on camming and running ITBs when lad can get you the same power on standard inlet and cams

13th December 2008, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

Andy's was a quick car but iirc Ricky RPM did alot of work on it

Craig (saxo180) pretty sure he has un done most the work they did though hasnt he? sure in pug performance mag or what ever it was he said its running 141bhp ish

Heard many terror stories about L.A.D and would stay clear personally.

Just reading their site now claim 160bhp not 180bhp lol

sorry to say this steve mate if u are talking about my vts rickyp has never ever done any work on my car

without getting in to a big thing about lad again there work is good there bhp figures are totally wrong but my car ran very very well at york as a few people on here no

13th December 2008, 13:47

Does RickyP RPM do engine work as well then?? I live about 3 miles from him, used to live in the same village!

13th December 2008, 13:53

yes he does mate and cheaper than lad im sure . alot of people slag lad off and have no idea at all of how well cars go that have had work done by them they do alot of 205 track car work and have had sum very good results over the last 10 years in many championships . so yes there figures are wrong but i was well happy with there work my vts ran 0-60 in 5.9 sec at york

13th December 2008, 13:55

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Originally Posted by andywiddss1

sorry to say this steve mate if u are talking about my vts rickyp has never ever done any work on my car

without getting in to a big thing about lad again there work is good there bhp figures are totally wrong but my car ran very very well at york as a few people on here no

thought ricky fitted your newmans for some reason

must be someone else am thinking off then.

doh!

13th December 2008, 14:01

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Originally Posted by andywiddss1

yes he does mate and cheaper than lad im sure . alot of people slag lad off and have no idea at all of how well cars go that have had work done by them they do alot of 205 track car work and have had sum very good results over the last 10 years in many championships . so yes there figures are wrong but i was well happy with there work my vts ran 0-60 in 5.9 sec at york

Spot on! I know where its going when I need some more uumph then!

Cheers guys

13th December 2008, 14:03

ha ha no worries mate i have a mate called ricky that lives near me and is a rally car mechanic thats who rebuilt all my vts engine when i killed it on way to croft u maybe thinking of him

13th December 2008, 14:09

Just found a website for RickyP, his base is on the same industrial park as my old Telewest place I used to work.

Small world!

Thanks again.

13th December 2008, 14:47

iirc a s2 rallye owner had the 130bhp conversion was happy braging then went to a r/r day only made 98bhp....... yes go figure that one out!!

13th December 2008, 14:54

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Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

iirc a s2 rallye owner had the 130bhp conversion was happy braging then went to a r/r day only made 98bhp....... yes go figure that one out!!

lol craig was a bit upset i think when finding he didnt have 180bhp.

Im also going to comment that alot of people feel york times are to be taken with a pinch of salt to, due to gradient and comparrison to the pod for example all the times are significantly quicker

13th December 2008, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

Has anyone had the LAD motorsport conversion done?

£1000 for 40bhp seems pretty cheap to me and wondered if anyone has backed their claims up.

http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/

A grand for 40bhp

13th December 2008, 17:20

DOG SHIT ! A few people i knew had peugeot 205 1.9 done by them with comical results. No faster than standard after 2 grand !

I have never heard a good word said

13th December 2008, 17:31

They were near where i live like 2 mins down the road. I thought some of the
things they had on there site was a bit over estimate, like say for vtr could get a extra 30bhp for just under a grand from head work, etc and dont think tht was including exhaust or induction or some sort! i would use them imo!

13th December 2008, 18:07

Just to clear up any confusion about my engine as it stands:

I bought it with the legendary EVO180 conversion (including their headwork)and it was running more like 126bhp, but that was with a poor map, a knackered rad and several faulty sensors.

With all those sorted and 708s fitted and a fresh map it was running 152bhp but unable to pass emmissions because of yet another poor map (we think).

Now on standard cams and ecu with breathing mods, exhaust (with cat), manifold and the LAD headwork it ran 141bhp.

The accuracy of that RR was questionable, but with vtrs running breathing mods and achieving 104-107bhp I think it is reasonably accurate.

My only real gripe with my car was when I bought it I was naive in thinking it was running anywhere near 180bhp and when I had LOADS of problems with the car to start with I immediately started to slate LAD

13th December 2008, 18:20

ryan - even if the times werent included. andys car was beating other cars with more power. he was always quicker than my cammed vts, which i didnt like

i thought it might of been down to his R888s, but i beat him off the line once and he still passed me up the strip. the traction at york is terrible compared to santa pod so i dont see how you can run quicker times. crail is downhill a bit if thats what your thinking of?

13th December 2008, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Ryan

lol craig was a bit upset i think when finding he didnt have 180bhp.

Im also going to comment that alot of people feel york times are to be taken with a pinch of salt to, due to gradient and comparrison to the pod for example all the times are significantly quicker

i really dont think that is true that the timing at york is wrong and the 0-60 times i ran at york was run by an independent timming company that came to york and set there gear up for a 0-60 shootout day .

maybe im wasting my time even adding my views to this thread but the people that have been to york often no that even the big scooby skylines ect run the same times at york give or take a tenth as they do at pod .

pisses me off when people say yorks shit this is shit thats shit when they have no experience of what goes on only what they read on a forum

13th December 2008, 18:26

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Originally Posted by andywiddss1

i really dont think that is true that the timing at york is wrong and the 0-60 times i ran at york was run by an independent timming company that came to york and set there gear up for a 0-60 shootout day .

ALOT of times from york people take with a pinch of salt, it has nothing to do with the timing gear (although timing from movement is different from the trees depending on measurment) its the slight downhill gradient many people have commented york has.

I know all the northerners will disagree as nothing is as fast as a northerer down the quater

it seems tom agreed with me aswell hence the thanks

13th December 2008, 18:26

its a southerner excuse andy, when translated into northern language means 'we cant drive for shit' lol

13th December 2008, 18:28

what about our shit traction though? it should make the times slower, and i know cars that have ran slower times at york compared to shakespear.

13th December 2008, 18:28

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

its a southerner excuse andy, when translated into northern language means 'we cant drive for shit' lol

knew that was coming marc. I think ull find it was a comment on the times being often stated to be alot quicker than anywhere else, even for cars running different runs compairing each event.

Afterall its the driver who controls the clutch

13th December 2008, 18:29

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Originally Posted by VTS-Boi

my mates gti is very quick mate....he beat a type-r (like sed) with only headwork,a 4branch manifold and an exhaust

and before the VTEC kicked in the gti was pullin like a bitch

i killed a civic type R last weekend myself! so that dont mean anything!

13th December 2008, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

Andy's was a quick car but iirc Ricky RPM did alot of work on it

Craig (saxo180) pretty sure he has un done most the work they did though hasnt he? sure in pug performance mag or what ever it was he said its running 141bhp ish

Heard many terror stories about L.A.D and would stay clear personally.

Just reading their site now claim 160bhp not 180bhp lol

alas mate, Ricky RPM didnt do any work on andys car, though a lad called Ricky did, just a different one, and the Ricky in question is a mechanic, who rallys Escort RS2000's. A good lad tbh

13th December 2008, 18:30

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

what about our shit traction though? it should make the times slower, and i know cars that have ran slower times at york compared to shakespear.

traction isnt just down to the surface marc you should well know that.

Im meerly commenting that times should be taken with a pinch of salt, much like the figures that LAD quote for their work.

13th December 2008, 18:31

lol, i love the chance to use that line

13th December 2008, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

traction isnt just down to the surface marc you should well know that.

Im meerly commenting that times should be taken with a pinch of salt, much like the figures that LAD quote for their work.

the surface at york is shit though, like the road the council forgot.

13th December 2008, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

traction isnt just down to the surface marc you should well know that.

Im meerly commenting that times should be taken with a pinch of salt, much like the figures that LAD quote for their work.

im sure if i lived an hour from pod i would have spent the last 3 years running at pod and not at york but i dont

as for york times take it with a pinch of salt i ran the same 1/4 mile times at seaton ross witch is yorkdragway as i ran at elvington were they run 10 of the best so does that mean that all the times at 10 of the best are bollacks as well . i dont think so

13th December 2008, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

the surface at york is shit though, like the road the council forgot.

ha ha i loved the 2 holes on the start line an so did u mate

13th December 2008, 19:27

I only wanted to know if LAD were in any good!!

14th December 2008, 08:59

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Originally Posted by JoshB

I only wanted to know if LAD were in any good!!

Simple answer is "yes" but don't listen to their power claims

14th December 2008, 10:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

I only wanted to know if LAD were in any good!!

No as you could never trust what they told you. Its not as if there the only people who tune the saxo. You are fast better just to go to a good one. I was always happy with GMCs work my self. People say QEP are very good to. There are many more out there too.

15th December 2008, 21:04

i gt a lad motorsport vts (tour de corse) running 161bhp rolling road bout 6 months ago. from lad motorsport to manchester dealer so it got a bit more of a gurantee cos it was for a dealer nt a customer. gt gen 2 induction kit straight thru exhaust and the work done by lad so they cant be that bad. nt the fastest car in a straight line but i track it with slick tyres and it is rather good fun. u wnna make ur car fast put slicks on (track obvs) unbelievable difference. neway lad are jus like all de others. work done is good standard but u will always get the arm chair experts like with all tuning companies but mine is shi7 hot.

15th December 2008, 21:22

I heard LAD are gash.

15th December 2008, 21:50

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Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

i gt a lad motorsport vts (tour de corse) running 161bhp rolling road bout 6 months ago. from lad motorsport to manchester dealer so it got a bit more of a gurantee cos it was for a dealer nt a customer. gt gen 2 induction kit straight thru exhaust and the work done by lad so they cant be that bad. nt the fastest car in a straight line but i track it with slick tyres and it is rather good fun. u wnna make ur car fast put slicks on (track obvs) unbelievable difference. neway lad are jus like all de others. work done is good standard but u will always get the arm chair experts like with all tuning companies but mine is shi7 hot.

Cn u trnsl8 dat plz m8?

15th December 2008, 21:58

??????

15th December 2008, 21:59

text talk is quite confusing mate.

16th December 2008, 09:27

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Originally Posted by grantlowery

I heard LAD are gash.

very good technical evaluation there..............

16th December 2008, 16:55

Thanks chaps for all the info, the only reason I picked them out is because thier power claims for the cost of work was so high!

I've finaly picked the car up now and its not running great so need to get it running properly before I do anything. Its assumed to have cams in it and takes a good 10mins to properly warm up, it stalls unless you give it above 3k revs pulling away. Does this sound like the traits of a cammed engine? The idle's pretty smooth, a bit bouncy but nothing to write home about.

16th December 2008, 17:01

mines a lumpy idle and stalls sometimes but you can still pull away normal.

16th December 2008, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

Thanks chaps for all the info, the only reason I picked them out is because thier power claims for the cost of work was so high!

I've finaly picked the car up now and its not running great so need to get it running properly before I do anything. Its assumed to have cams in it and takes a good 10mins to properly warm up, it stalls unless you give it above 3k revs pulling away. Does this sound like the traits of a cammed engine? The idle's pretty smooth, a bit bouncy but nothing to write home about.

mine does this, just a few sensors are dead.

16th December 2008, 17:04

Hmmm, could just need remapping. It was supposed to have had a service done recently, but theres no evidence of the car ever being mapped to the cams.

One of the driveshafts or CV joint is buggered anyway so thats first on the list!

16th December 2008, 17:07

mine stalls occaionally and is lumpy wen cold. but pullin away is ok wen warm but needs to a bit higher wen cold. had to run mine in for 3k miles wen i had new piston rings put in and new gasket. runs awesome now tho. got a gen 2 k and n on it to with the cams it runs like a civic type r and revs forever. tell me wts urs like wen ya take it for a spin. noticeable difference?? cos of the cam timing its all top end revs so the difference will be up past 4k revs.

16th December 2008, 17:13

I never took it past 4k revs really last night. I just wanted to get home in one piece as the driveshaft was playing up as soon as I set off! The engine note changes noticably at the higher end though.
Could the timing adjusting properly.

16th December 2008, 17:30

did they tell ya u need to run it in. wt did ya have done in the end

16th December 2008, 17:36

I've just bought the car like this, its had rumoured to have had cams in it for the last 2 years. But without opening it up and taking a look, I dont know. As for the rest, its just the usual decat exhaust and induction kit.

Does anybody know where to look on the cams to find out if they are performance ones or not?