Wanted: RR Readouts

1. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #1 16th December 2008, 19:47

   Bonjour spammers.
   
   I was wondering for those of you that have put your car on a rolling road, whether you'd be so kind as to bosh up a scan or high resolution photograph of the printout.
   
   I'm putting together an excel thingy and need the torque read out across the entire rev range... ideally I'm after a print from a VTS as close to stand as possible but will take anything to get me started.
   
   Ta!
   
   Sayer
2. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

   #2 16th December 2008, 19:47

   "search"
   Jokes
3. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #3 16th December 2008, 20:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo "search" Jokes

   If you'd be so kind then great... saves me doing it.
4. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #4 16th December 2008, 20:20

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo "search" Jokes

   the cheek lol
5. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #5 16th December 2008, 20:24

   ive got the readout for a cammed vts (ph3s) if thats any good
6. essexdon Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)

   #6 16th December 2008, 20:28

   here you go mate my VTS is totally standard at the mo and this was the print out 5/6 weeks ago, shes a 2000 x plate, 40k miles, fsh and 2 female owners and I dont think the rev neddle has even been past 5000 rpm before me lol
   
   

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7. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #7 16th December 2008, 20:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Alex-VTS ive got the readout for a cammed vts (ph3s) if thats any good

   Yep that would be grand man
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by essexdon here you go mate my VTS is totally standard at the mo and this was the print out 5/6 weeks ago, shes a 2000 x plate, 40k miles, fsh and 2 female owners and I dont think the rev neddle has even been past 5000 rpm before me lol

   Brilliant dude thanks!
   
   
8. user_10801 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2006 Somewhere nicer than you Posts: 32356 S2 Exige 240S, CLS63 AMG, Freelander

   #8 16th December 2008, 20:59

   do you want me to find the one from the derv?
9. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

   #9 16th December 2008, 20:59

   I'll go scan mine and stick it up ...
10. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #10 16th December 2008, 21:00

    actually... where's the rpm reading on the x-axis????
11. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #11 16th December 2008, 21:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Viper do you want me to find the one from the derv?

    anything!
12. user_10801 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2006 Somewhere nicer than you Posts: 32356 S2 Exige 240S, CLS63 AMG, Freelander

    #12 16th December 2008, 21:02

    ill see what i can find.
    
    might be in yorkshire though. if so, will be a week before i can look
13. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #13 16th December 2008, 21:04

    
14. essexdon Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)

    #14 16th December 2008, 21:04

    no prob mate hope it helps
15. Peasnall Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2006 Lincoln Posts: 908 Wicked Red VTS

    #15 16th December 2008, 21:07

    vtr-tec's
    
    
16. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

    #16 16th December 2008, 21:09

    i wana see cat cams w/o remap
17. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #17 16th December 2008, 21:14

    don lower line on mine is unmapped
    
    its just the bhp (which atfer reading what sayer wants is useless)
18. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

    #18 16th December 2008, 21:24

    what did u make un mapped
19. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #19 16th December 2008, 21:26

    think it was 144 but not 100% certain
    timing was off on the first run too so that needed sorting aswell as the map
20. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #20 16th December 2008, 21:35

    VTS ATW's - Filter, Mani + Zorst.
    
    
21. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #21 16th December 2008, 22:05

    
    
    Just to annoy you adam
22. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #22 16th December 2008, 22:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan Just to annoy you adam

    doesn't annoy me ryannna, just you won't get a recommendation of how to extract max. acceleration out it
    
    
23. user_7256 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 7657

    #23 16th December 2008, 22:10

    
    
    what kinda transmission losses do you peeps use?
24. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #24 16th December 2008, 22:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adsayer doesn't annoy me ryannna, just you won't get a recommendation of how to extract max. acceleration out it

    foot to the floor ftw!!
    
    Should have a few graphs after jan mate for you to have a nose through.
25. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #25 16th December 2008, 22:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan foot to the floor ftw!! Should have a few graphs after jan mate for you to have a nose through.

    rave on
    
    actually yours would be brill if it had x-axis lines... (has the biggest rpm spread - which is what I need)
    
    do me a favour...
    
    read off the torque values at
    
    3k
    3.5k
    4k
    etc etc
    
    
26. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #26 16th December 2008, 22:33

    all the values will be 1-3lb out id guess mate as have to go on guesswork due to the axis going up in 10s
    
    use still>
    
    as i dont have the paperwork here alexR has it
27. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #27 16th December 2008, 22:40

    also deans one lol
    
28. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #28 16th December 2008, 22:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan also deans one lol

    I saw that and nearly jizzed my pants so severely I blew a hole in the front of them.
    
    That might be even more interesting....
29. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #29 16th December 2008, 22:52

    dean shall be hopefully bringing it to the shed day.
    
    hes local to me and a good lad!
30. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #30 16th December 2008, 23:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan dean shall be hopefully bringing it to the shed day. hes local to me and a good lad!

    know what box he's running? and the ratio's????
31. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #31 16th December 2008, 23:46

    BE box.
    
    Ill ask dean when hes next on msn if he knows the gear cluster used etc.
32. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #32 17th December 2008, 00:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan BE box. Ill ask dean when hes next on msn if he knows the gear cluster used etc.

    tarrr
    
    Just knocked up a quick first draft of the excel sheet...
    
    Currently gives optimum shift changes for max accel.
33. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #33 17th December 2008, 00:13

    fancy running mine, seeing as I tend to change gear at 8-8.5k LOL!
34. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #34 17th December 2008, 00:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan fancy running mine, seeing as I tend to change gear at 8-8.5k LOL!

    was gonna ask actually... gonna have to estimate and interpolate the graph though (it's not level so can use the rulers in PS like I did for Deans)
    
    just need wheel dimensions and gearbox ratio's (inc final drive)
    
    and I'll knock it up for you now
    
    
    
    warning though this is first draft... I'm going to tweak it further to include acceleration rates, then inc shift duration too and so on and so on.
35. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #35 17th December 2008, 00:28

    195-50-15.
    
    s2 box so will get ratios in one min for you
36. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #36 17th December 2008, 00:32

    which FD?
37. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #37 17th December 2008, 00:32

    1st 3.41
    2nd 1.95
    3rd 1.35
    4th 1.05
    5th .085
    
    FD 4.06
    
    going on info off the net s2 rallye
38. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #38 17th December 2008, 00:35

    good news...!
    
    changing just before twating it off the limiter (if it even has one ) will give you a.max
39. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #39 17th December 2008, 00:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adsayer good news...! changing just before twating it off the limiter (if it even has one ) will give you a.max

    i dont know if ive ever been on the limiter. Alex set it quite high on the emerald, iirc hard cut is 8.5ish now, ian used to have it lower.
    
    would 9k give better accel lol!
    
    Basically my driving it like I stole it method is the best then
40. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #40 17th December 2008, 00:42

    looking at shift change graph there is mucho room to keep the rpm as high as possible.
    
    the RR doesn't help because the torque isn't falling away exponentially... although looking at it, its probably just after 8500rpm
    
    but the reduction in torque between each gear is so significant that you could go deep into the 8's (8700+) and still have better a.max than shifting.
41. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #41 17th December 2008, 00:44

    I do go deep into the max (why alex moaned at me after seeing brands vid lol)
    
    rev counter only goes to 8k yet i keep it planted well over this! we are going to go and look at the ecu recording and see if it has recroded my max rpm so far, alex thinks i somehow hit over 9k.
    
    Think the saxo gear cluster is a bit shit for this engine tbh
42. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #42 17th December 2008, 00:47

    You can determine shift change based on wheel speed (or from the speedo) - if the torque actually crossed between gears...
    
    what a graph? not that's its much help for you tbh
43. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #43 17th December 2008, 00:52

    basically you are saying that due to not having a capable tacho use the given speed in each gear to change at for max rpm as this is calculated on rpm settings yo!
44. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #44 17th December 2008, 00:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan basically you are saying that due to not having a capable tacho use the given speed in each gear to change at for max rpm as this is calculated on rpm settings yo!

    spot on
    
    
    
    basically it's wheel speed/vehicle speed vs wheel torque for each gear
45. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #45 17th December 2008, 00:58

    see not that retarded then
    
    at that looks like speeds to change are
    1-2 - 35ish
    2-3 - 62ish
    3-4 - 90ish (i tend to go near 100)
    4-5 - 115ish
    
    obviously the higher gears there seems to be less drop and so i can theoretically hold gear longer
46. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #46 17th December 2008, 01:03

    and with a theoretical top speed of 166mph with 8.5k that box is long as fuck lol... i dont want to even look at vtr ratios lol!
    
    105in 3rd is fun
47. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #47 17th December 2008, 01:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan see not that retarded then at that looks like speeds to change are 1-2 - 35ish 2-3 - 62ish 3-4 - 90ish (i tend to go near 100) 4-5 - 115ish obviously the higher gears there seems to be less drop and so i can theoretically hold gear longer

    not quite... if there was an overlap then you should change at the overlap... a.max is dependant on as much wheel torque as possible. the torque output in 2nd gear is no where near as high as 1st gear...
    
    even though there is a drop in torque in first gear, it's still far higher than 2nd
    
    therefore hold on to 1st for as long as possible...
    
    same goes for the other gears
48. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #48 17th December 2008, 01:08

    fair enough, i was going by the dip in torque itself rather than in relation to other gears.
    
    1st hold on to as long as possible you need to come out in it dear boy and bring some underwear I can barely hold onto it in first
    
    its interesting readings though espec as the engine is maxing at 7800 for max power.
49. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #49 17th December 2008, 01:15

    true man... like you said, really it's the gearbox that's 'letting down' though it's not really anything major tbh, just with a shorter box it would be soooo much quicker still. It kind of highlights a bit of a problem with high revving engines... need more gears (take motorbikes or f1 for instance).
    
    I neeeeeeeed a ride in this thing... I'm due a uncontrollable bowel moment...
    
    anyway bed... off to the motherland to pick up paxo.
50. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #50 17th December 2008, 01:17

    I did have an s1 rallye box same gears but with a different FD.
    
    im toying with a 1.4xsi FD on it seeing as i cant get a decent short ratio gearset that doesnt max out at 110 at 8k!!!
    
    It needs a service mate before i cain it again the oil is officially as black as boy whose been sweeping chimneys face.
51. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #51 17th December 2008, 01:19

    4.29 is xsi
    and
    4.54 is the s1 box
52. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

    #52 17th December 2008, 09:24

    could put mine up if you want Ads?
53. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #53 17th December 2008, 09:53

    3 plug VTR with basic breathing mods, see what ya can make of this (please), plus it lets you try it on a VTR lol.
    Computer generated one of mine...
    
    Scan...
    
    
    
54. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #54 17th December 2008, 21:29

    1st 2.92
    2nd 1.87
    3rd 1.28
    4th 0.97
    5th 0.76
    FDR 4.42
    
    Deans gears mr gayer
55. vtr130 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279

    #55 17th December 2008, 22:28

    JUST TO ANNOY RYAN
    
    
    
    Fun times!!
56. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #56 17th December 2008, 22:31

    craig how does it annoy me.
    
    You have a shit suspension set up and as yet no diff
    
    much love
57. vtr130 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279

    #57 17th December 2008, 22:46

    Shut it ryanal Once the suspension is done when i sort things out with true-tec i will be whipping you round the track
    
    Don't you worry about the other things much is underwraps Even you don't know!! Haha
58. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #58 17th December 2008, 23:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtr130 Shut it ryanal Once the suspension is done when i sort things out with true-tec i will be whipping you round the track Don't you worry about the other things much is underwraps Even you don't know!! Haha

    suspension and power eh. shame about the stupid cunt behind the wheel then
59. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #59 17th December 2008, 23:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan suspension and power eh. shame about the stupid cunt behind the wheel then

    no need to be self deprecating ryan...
    
    
    poww
60. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #60 17th December 2008, 23:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adsayer no need to be self deprecating ryan... poww

    I wasnt, private joke between me and craig involving me pushing hard (no bumsex this time)
    
    were the ratios from dean any good to you adam.
    
    dean shall be attending shed RR hopefully
61. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #61 17th December 2008, 23:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan I wasnt, private joke between me and craig involving me pushing hard (no bumsex this time) were the ratios from dean any good to you adam. dean shall be attending shed RR hopefully

    I'm off out, only got back from Nzone couple of hours ago...
    
    I'll plug in numero's when I get the chance... wheel dimensionsSSSS?
62. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #62 17th December 2008, 23:48

    iirc hes on 15s to. See shed he has progress blog yo
63. vtr130 Established Member Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2279

    #63 18th December 2008, 10:47

    When is the shed rolling road ryano!?
64. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #64 18th December 2008, 13:05

    Anyone welcome? Where is it being held?