Bigger brakes for 15" wheels

1. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #1 18th December 2008, 07:39

   Hey guys!
   
   yes before anyone says i no these threads come up alot, but did a search and could not find what im wanting to no!
   
   I no you can get GTI-6, GTI-180 upgrades etc etc
   
   But im just wondering is there any you can get which DO NOT require the caliper to be ground down??
   
   I no you can get the 406 Brembo's but just wondering on other "cheaper" options....
   
   cheers guys
2. user_28873 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2008 Derby Posts: 3619 Mk2 VTS

   #2 18th December 2008, 08:34

   New to the site obviously, but would running like 2mm spacers make much of a difference? I never realised you had to grind down the callipers, but then again I have had to see it done on 306s to fit certain wheels.
   
   Why not just fit a 266 setup? Off the 306 Hdi, XSI, S16? I had that on my 306 and it worked well enough for the power I had, surely got to be enough on a 90 (or 98) bhp VTR?
3. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #3 18th December 2008, 08:36

   hey mate, thanks fot that.
   
   2mm spacers wudnt help as it rubs on the insdie of the wheel etc.
   
   Just basically wantign the biggesst brakes i can get under the wheels WITHOUT having to grind them down lol
   
   and its a 90bhp, for now lol
4. user_28873 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2008 Derby Posts: 3619 Mk2 VTS

   #4 18th December 2008, 08:40

   yeah so wouldnt 2mm spacers push the wheel out aaway from the brake calipers that extra bit?
   
   A saxo weights what, 950kg?
   
   I had my 306 with just shy of 120bhp which weighs nearer 1200kg, the 266 set up will be fine. Its what I was going to fit to the VTS when I find one! Its about half the price of 283 setups. I picked up my set for £40 with pads and discs.
5. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #5 18th December 2008, 08:44

   no cos spacers would only make the wheel go outwards, like out the archs, it rubs in the inside bit i think, like the bit which holds the tyre, ill look into some 266 setups
   
   Cheers mate
6. user_28873 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2008 Derby Posts: 3619 Mk2 VTS

   #6 18th December 2008, 08:50

   Ah right, That sounds a bit odd to me, as the 306 runs cyclone alloy wheels which are 15" ..
7. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

   #7 18th December 2008, 10:47

   my 283mm brake setup from a xsara never needed grinding at all.
8. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #8 18th December 2008, 10:52

   What wheels wer you using them with?
   
   Im running TD 1.2's
9. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

   #9 18th December 2008, 10:54

   speedline turinis. Plenty of clearance. Although I had a set of 205 gti rims and they were to small to fit over fyi.
10. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #10 18th December 2008, 10:58

    hmmmm may look into these, are the discs/pads expensive??
    
    Also if anyone could let me no if they would go behind my wheels that would be great!!
    
    Altho ii no you can get wilwoods behind TD's without spacers...
11. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #11 18th December 2008, 11:03

    nah not really, can find them cheap enough like from local motor factors.
    
    If you can get will woods behind td 1.2's I would be pretty certain you can get a 283 setup behind.
12. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #12 18th December 2008, 11:05

    well i no Pred has his wilwoods behind TD's and im sure he doesnt run spacers.....
    
    Just want some brakes which wil give me more confidence with the car, especially with me going on track next year.
    
    Plus will look better filling up the wheels abit!!
    
    Are aftermarket pads/discs readily available though? as i wold fancy some mintex stuff to
13. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #13 18th December 2008, 11:08

    get a set of 4 pots, they're much lighter. My 283 brakes and 283mm setup made my vtr slower than with the standard brakes and alloys.
    
    Sure you can get aftermarket pads and disks as well, just need to search.
    
    Have a look at my brakes in my thread for wheel filling items lol Although changing my wheels to my pro race 1.2's.
14. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #14 18th December 2008, 11:11

    i would love a set of 4pots tbh but REALLY do not have the money, would settle for a set of 406 brembos for the right price but even then they aint cheap hence why im going for some brakes off a diff car.
    
    ill have a sopy at your thread though
15. user_28873 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2008 Derby Posts: 3619 Mk2 VTS

    #15 18th December 2008, 12:13

    Well if you have TD 1.2s they will fit.
16. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #16 18th December 2008, 12:19

    You should be able to fit 266 or 283mm brakes under TD 1.2s without spacers - pretty sure adnandunn had 283's on his white vts. I think most 266mm brakes need grinding so they don't foul the hub, the 283's off later cars i.e a 307 fit straight on.
    
    Either way if you drop williamsvts a PM, he'll sort you out with a set and will grind them for you if need be. He did mine and they are perfect.
17. user_4153 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2004 Cambs Posts: 630 Vts track car

    #17 18th December 2008, 12:26

    The mod for a 283mm setup is about 3-4mm grinded off the carrier.
    
    This will make no structural difference to the caliper or any other part of the suspension, nor will it come into contact with anything on the wheel.
    
    It literally takes 2mins each side to grind a bit away so the secondary hole on the carrier aligns up with the holes on the strut.
    
    But obviously you will need 15" wheels minimum to clear the caliper once fitted.
18. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #18 18th December 2008, 12:34

    I have had 4pots under TD rims (hispec so large caliper) and 283mm gti-6 brakes running under vts and 1.9 205 wheels
19. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #19 18th December 2008, 13:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxo_89 Hey guys! yes before anyone says i no these threads come up alot, but did a search and could not find what im wanting to no! I no you can get GTI-6, GTI-180 upgrades etc etc But im just wondering is there any you can get which DO NOT require the caliper to be ground down?? I no you can get the 406 Brembo's but just wondering on other "cheaper" options.... cheers guys

    206 gti's fit straight on expect to pay more for decent pads.
    
    Takes two seconds to grind them and doesnt affect the performance.
    
    I have some 266mm calipers for sale with the carrier already grinded if your interested
20. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

    #20 18th December 2008, 13:55

    hey guys, thanks fro al your replies,
    
    Im not looking to buy any at the moment, well if i had the money i would be lol
    
    Was jst gettin some ideas for the time being
    
    thanks all
21. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #21 18th December 2008, 16:47

    still loads of room in my wheels for bigger brakes
22. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #22 18th December 2008, 16:51

    depending on what setup pretty sure some people have gone to 301 or 315mm discs under 15s before
23. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #23 18th December 2008, 16:52

    can get 310mm wilwoods too hmmmmmmm
24. daz_rt_04 Regular Poster Joined: May 2008 Yeovil Posts: 390 Stealthy Saxo VTS

    #24 18th December 2008, 19:16

    266's are fine for most setups. fitted on my vts with the orginal wheels.
    
    wouldnt bother with 4 pots unless your considering tracking you car alot or fancy making it look 'cool'
25. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #25 18th December 2008, 20:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Predator_VTR can get 310mm wilwoods too hmmmmmmm

    haha id like to see you try and squeeze them behind 15s
26. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #26 18th December 2008, 23:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Predator_VTR still loads of room in my wheels for bigger brakes

    especially if yoou space them to look better