after a bit of advice :)

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #1
    hi been reading through posts for a few weeks now but fort it was about time i joined so here i am basically the time has come to start lookin for first car and im set on getting a saxo.... ran a few insurance quotes through and i can insure a 2001 vtr 1.6 for £1567 and a 2001 vts for £2472 now there both a bit expensive if u ask me but is it worth payin extra on insurance to get the vts or should i get a vtr and get it cammed etc...... any input will be helpfull. cheers ben
  2. Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 2087 saxo vtr mk2
    #2
    get a vtr wait a year learn how to drive a saxo well and then sell up and buy a vts
  3. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #3
    is it worth getting the head skimmed, camming, exhaust etc or just leave it how it is ? cheers
  4. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
    #4
    Better still get a little engine one of a oil burner and run that for a year. They cost next to nothing these days and will hopefully stop you from killing your self. Then get a year or two of NC and splash out on something nice.
  5. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R
    #5
    Yeh, I started off with a Wescoast (1.4) and found this plenty fast enough when I first started driving, had a few near misses in it. Ran that for 2 years, then put a vts engine in which was great fun, now looking to cam it up.

    I felt like this was a good way as I got some experience first and then am slowly making it faster. IMO I would have probably crashed jumping straight into a vts. tbh though, you can still crash in any size engine, just need to go as fast as the conditions allow - would save money on insurance and slowly work your way up to faster cars as your NCD increases.

    just my 2p.
  6. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield
    #6
    To be honest i would recommend getting a bit of experience before buying a vts. I have been driving for 6 years now and you still have to be alert as they can easily catch you out on a roundabout. Its easy to correct but it still can shit you up, especially if your new to the whole driving thing.

    The first time it happened to me was in rush hour traffic on a major roundabout in dry weather and i wasnt going quick.

    And also they are a very quick car and it can be to tempting to just nail the pedal and drive like a cock.

    Im sure that many people would just tell you to go straight for the vts but this is just my opinion.
  7. Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Cornwall Posts: 1594 Mk 1 Red VTR
    #7
    I've only been driving for a few months and my first car is a vts, just take it easy and dont drive like a cock then your be fine.
  8. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 479 Golf V5. Remapped to eat the road
    #8
    yeah dont get a vts first car lol

    vtr is just as good tbh, i woulda loved a vtr for my first car!
  9. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #9
    ANT- how much was your insurance having a vts as first car ?

    and i done karting for years so fairly unlikely i going to put my self in a hedge ...... but anythink is possible
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    i done karting for years so fairly unlikely i going to put my self in a hedge .
    That is totally the wrong attitude to have and will get you in a lot of trouble. Over confidence is what kills. I did the classic I know how to drive blady blady blady bla. Even though I have done the Kart thing and went on to cars with NSA race licence I still managed to stuff a car in a hedge. I was well within the limits of the car but probably driving faster than most people would on the road when a unsighted car popped out in front of me. I was going that fast that braking could have just flung me off the road, even lifting of would have span me out. I had no options apart from hit the car or go for the hedge and hope for the best. I went for the hedge and very quickly realised you cant drive on the road at even half you limit. Strange thing is most racers I know all have the similar story. Just some did not live.
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  11. Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo
    #11
    personaly i would look at something with cheaper insureance, but if you have to get one of the 2 go for the s if you plan on camming the vtr. By the time you have spent £500 or so on a cam and map, also the few hundred on exhuast and filter, then on top of that the extra insureance you would have spent more than the extra to insure the s and have probably less power
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Bristol Posts: 561 None
    #12
    mate, i had a 1.1 saxo when i first started driving, it felt nice and fast then, and beat alot of my other mates cars, includin 1.4s etc!! Then i got my vts and it was amazing, these guys are right, save the money, for a years time, insurance will be cheaper, and you can save money to mod it out.
  13. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #13
    if i was to buy a vtr and cam it ( would obv change filter and exhaust and get it ported before fitting a cam ) what sort of cam would you guys reckomend.... the fast road cams dont see that greater gains would it be worth fitting a race one insted ?
  14. Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 2087 saxo vtr mk2
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    if i was to buy a vtr and cam it ( would obv change filter and exhaust and get it ported before fitting a cam ) what sort of cam would you guys reckomend.... the fast road cams dont see that greater gains would it be worth fitting a race one insted ?
    no as the power would be to high up to use on the roads stick with fast road and with 'race' cams you would need boddies
  15. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Eire/west drayton Posts: 364 gold vts(R.I.P) R33 gts-t. :-)
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    hi been reading through posts for a few weeks now but fort it was about time i joined so here i am basically the time has come to start lookin for first car and im set on getting a saxo.... ran a few insurance quotes through and i can insure a 2001 vtr 1.6 for £1567 and a 2001 vts for £2472 now there both a bit expensive if u ask me but is it worth payin extra on insurance to get the vts or should i get a vtr and get it cammed etc...... any input will be helpfull. cheers ben
    shit how old are u?? im only 23 and my insurance on my vts is only 900 fully comp with breakdown cover.and i dont even have a ncd
  16. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #16
    would i see more of a gain in power with "race" cams ?

    and it will be my first car so hopefully 17 unless this stupid rule comes in about havin to wait till ur 18 and those prices are tpft !
  17. Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Durham Posts: 369 1997 VTR
    #17
    im paying £1985 fully comp on a vtr, had a 306 hdi first then swapped to the vtr and its exactly the same price
  18. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2008 nurburgring Posts: 420 Saxo Vtr '51' (2001)
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    would i see more of a gain in power with "race" cams ?

    and it will be my first car so hopefully 17 unless this stupid rule comes in about havin to wait till ur 18 and those prices are tpft !

    You cannot run race cams with out getting throttle bodys because there 2 powerfull , and like every ones said if u did racecam it and tb u would be killing tyres accelerating out of bends ect because of the power always mod chassie struts suspension ect b4 going for mad power because it just cant put it down

    kieran.