BTB on a Cammed VTS...

31st December 2008, 13:22

Is there a benefit other than it sounds amazing?

Cant help but think perhaps the diameter is too wide?

Do you think I'd get better performance from the car if I was to swap to say a Magnex system?

Karl.

31st December 2008, 13:34

You won't know until you test... But in theory, yes, it's too big. Maybe all the boxes help keep the back-pressure up. 2" bore should be more than enough.

31st December 2008, 13:37

I wondered about this too
you need some back pressure in the system
I would say a 2" might be marginally better but it might not nessecerily mean more power

I had a similar setup with a supersprint and piper exhaust (similar manifold too)
and had similar power to your car

31st December 2008, 13:39

Ive just put my standard exhaust on for the mot and i can tell you there is a huge difference with that

IMO it goes well with a cammed vts, but its down to you really, if you changed exhaust I cant see you noticing any difference between them.

31st December 2008, 13:43

If you're really that interested, I've got a Scorpion full system you can *borrow* and test the differences...

31st December 2008, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

Ive just put my standard exhaust on for the mot and i can tell you there is a huge difference with that

as in its shed loads better with the BTB?

31st December 2008, 14:49

Awaits Ryan its awesome totally awesome

If it was me..it would be off...flogged and replaced for a system thats best suited

31st December 2008, 14:58

at least you reccommended another system lee..

oh, wait

31st December 2008, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

as in its shed loads better with the BTB?

yes alot better

You have two option here, listen to people with BTBs and Cams, or Leeroy, whose not got either of them.

31st December 2008, 15:03

I was considering keeping it just for the noise, it rocks.

31st December 2008, 15:04

i honestly thought i wouldnt notice a difference going from that to standard, its had it on for that long and with the cams, i couldnt remember what it was like, thought there isnt goin to be much difference at all, but there is a huge, just isnt as much pull

31st December 2008, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

yes alot better

You have two option here, listen to people with BTBs and Cams, or Leeroy, whose not got either of them.

And you might have actually got over the 150 mark if hadn't used the btb.....tbh 147bhp..i wouldnt even bother!

31st December 2008, 15:19

3bhp makes alot difference ... LOL

31st December 2008, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat_Vts

3bhp makes alot difference ... LOL

i have seen vts's making 157 bhp etc on a good supersprint exhaust..

No need for a btb on a cammed engine only...

31st December 2008, 15:26

going back to standard makes loads of difference regardless of uprated camshafts or not.
I have gone back to supersprint centre and standardbackbox as i sold the piper when i was going to sell the car.

Feels restricted as hell and sounds ghey as hell.

Ran really lumpy to start with.

Its personally what you feel your car runs best with.
Someone has offered you a loan of an exhaust give it a try if your not too fussed about swapping them.

also will make a tiny difference to what your car was mapped with.

Rons VTS has some random exhaust i dont evne know what it is, think its a powerflow backbox. but it still made 155 on the rollers when it was mapped with the ph3's. And is very quick tbh

Its all trial and error mate see what you find best.
How did you rate your last system you had on the VTS which was the same as mine bar i have standard manfiold and cat in place.

31st December 2008, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

And you might have actually got over the 150 mark if hadn't used the btb.....tbh 147bhp..i wouldnt even bother!

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

i have seen vts's making 157 bhp etc on a good supersprint exhaust..

No need for a btb on a cammed engine only...

where as mine matched rons on the straights and his is that magical over 150bhp, as your a huge expert you would realise that different RRs make different powers.

Lee, you have no experience with BTBs or Cams, its like me making a comment on an evo

31st December 2008, 15:33

Theoretically after the rear collector if all is done right it will really not matter what you have done as long as its not restricting. So you cant really go to big on the actual back part of the exhaust if the test is sorted. Though odd of that are slim to none.

31st December 2008, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

where as mine matched rons on the straights and his is that magical over 150bhp, as your a huge expert you would realise that different RRs make different powers.

Lee, you have no experience with BTBs or Cams, its like me making a comment on an evo

I aint owned cams or a btb orrect...but when you were trying to make you vtr as fast as a vts I owned a gti and at that time 3 of my good mates had there's cammed...one ran a btb changed it for the supersprint and power made more power and torque

Make your mind up is it faster or not

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

rons yours seemed very good like, didnt think there was anything in it on the straights maybe you just a little faster? but i know my diff gave me a big advantage in the corners, i seen you spinning to come out of some of the corners

Ron doesnt have a diff or xsi box and yet he is still faster.......ohhh and he doesnt run a BTB..so really all that money you spend hasn't gained you anything at all has it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

didnt notice it faster untill the home straight, didnt seem a massive amount in it, if only a car length maybe, i didnt think it was much, but then i was more concentrating on driving lol

31st December 2008, 15:52

Catcam 708's for me and BTB 4-1 Manifold and Exhaust.

162bhp on the rollers.

To be fair the difference between any aftermarket exhaust is virtually pointless arguing over when the difference will easily be made or lost anyway depending on the quality of the mapping.

31st December 2008, 15:53

quite a big difference between Yates and Willsy yet they have practically the same setup.

31st December 2008, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

quite a big difference between Yates and Willsy yet they have practically the same setup.

Too many other factors along with the basic cams, mani, and exhaust.

Fuelling (I have larger injectors - i dont think Yates does)

Engine itself (Mines only got just over 1k on the clock after being fully reconditioned)

ECU and Mapping (not sure what Yates has currently) But i think the big difference comes here

31st December 2008, 16:02

Oh yeah, yours is standalone?

31st December 2008, 16:03

But different rollers Karl thats the difference.

LOL ask Ron who was faster through every corner. ask him if i caught up to him when he was around 1/4 a track ahead. Im sure Ron wont mind sayin. Ask Ron if he wants a diff and xsi box, the answer is yes, we have chatted numerous occasions about the diff lol.

i never tried to make my vtr as fast as a vts lol. Im not sure why your telling me you had a gti when i had a vtr either, as that still doesnt mean you have had experience with cams or a btb. Wow your mate had one, my mate has a dc5, doesnt mean im an expert on them. The difference is that i run a cammed vts day to day so i have experience on both, you dont.

31st December 2008, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

Oh yeah, yours is standalone?

Indeed it is

31st December 2008, 16:15

Quote:

i never tried to make my vtr as fast as a vts lol. Im not sure why your telling me you had a gti when i had a vtr either, as that still doesnt mean you have had experience with cams or a btb. Wow your mate had one, my mate has a dc5, doesnt mean im an expert on them. The difference is that i run a cammed vts day to day so i have experience on both, you dont.

I helped to pick the bits he used and went to the mapping time with Chipwards and Dave Walker

Along with helping to build a TB'd engine.. I think I have plenty....

I use my own experience..

Car you use everyday

"its just a track toy and doesnt drive it every day"....and your going to be back on the boat soon ( there is a god) so hardly a day to day car

31st December 2008, 16:18

How did I guess you two would be in this thread bickering?!!!

From everything I have read and heard about bore sizes, the BTB is designed for high output saxos (tb, tutbo, sc), however as I've never owned one I can't really comment on it's "comparable" performance.

If it were me though Karl, I would be cashing in on it and sell it on to fund something like the OMP Inox SS system. Can't imagine that sounds too shabby

31st December 2008, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

How did I guess you two would be in this thread bickering?!!!

From everything I have read and heard about bore sizes, the BTB is designed for high output saxos (tb, tutbo, sc), however as I've never owned one I can't really comment on it's "comparable" performance.

If it were me though Karl, I would be cashing in on it and sell it on to fund something like the OMP Inox SS system. Can't imagine that sounds too shabby

EVEN GMC'S own website says it designed for the likes of a Sc

31st December 2008, 16:20

Not getting involved tbh, just giving my opinion

31st December 2008, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

How did I guess you two would be in this thread bickering?!!!

From everything I have read and heard about bore sizes, the BTB is designed for high output saxos (tb, tutbo, sc), however as I've never owned one I can't really comment on it's "comparable" performance.

If it were me though Karl, I would be cashing in on it and sell it on to fund something like the OMP Inox SS system. Can't imagine that sounds too shabby

i totally forgot about that inox system.
Love the sound of them and i like the looks.

Get a very good review, i dont have one as not sure on the db level as there is no silencers.

31st December 2008, 16:21

BTB does weigh a tonne too, already killed a set of exhaust rubbers after only 1,000 miles. Upgraded items needed

31st December 2008, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

i totally forgot about that inox system.
Love the sound of them and i like the looks.

Get a very good review, i dont have one as not sure on the db level as there is no silencers.

Cleared for Group N use so will be within usual db requirements.

Looks sexy as fook, light as fook (which is better than adding a few bhp!) and under £500 notes brand new

31st December 2008, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

Cleared for Group N use so will be within usual db requirements.

Looks sexy as fook, light as fook (which is better than adding a few bhp!) and under £500 notes brand new

was going to get one but omp site said its meant for group n use but may not clear the db metre reading

suppose if its over i could stick the cat back in to quieten it down.

31st December 2008, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

EVEN GMC'S own website says it designed for the likes of a Sc

Very true Leeroy, to start getting the best out of it, spec could do with being at a TB 180bhp+ level id have thought.

Still one of the best systems out there whichever way its looked at

31st December 2008, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

was going to get one but omp site said its meant for group n use but may not clear the db metre reading

suppose if its over i could stick the cat back in to quieten it down.

No can do - supplied as a manfold back system. If I could afford one I would buy one

31st December 2008, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Awaits Ryan its awesome totally awesome

If it was me..it would be off...flogged and replaced for a system thats best suited

lee you couldnt afford a BTB to ever flog it on.

Feel free to try starting a war with me another day

31st December 2008, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

lee you couldnt afford a BTB to ever flog it on.

Feel free to try starting a war with me another day

Beats being ginger!!!

I would rather be poor!

31st December 2008, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

No can do - supplied as a manfold back system. If I could afford one I would buy one

thought they were in 3 parts

tried to youtube them they sound nothing like the ones i heard in person.
Basically the same as a pugsport.

31st December 2008, 16:27

Trying to think what the OMP I had was called dont think it was inox...what others do they do

31st December 2008, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

thought they were in 3 parts

tried to youtube them they sound nothing like the ones i heard in person.
Basically the same as a pugsport.

That's right. They also do a mild steel version about 80 quid less

31st December 2008, 16:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Beats being ginger!!!

I would rather be poor!

Ah lee, now being blind is a very good point to.

I wouldnt mind the ginger gag, infact i think most would find it funny if i did have ginger hair.

Commenting on something which again is made up you just make yourself look more foolish.

feel free to try starting a war with me, you know you wont get very far.

31st December 2008, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Trying to think what the OMP I had was called dont think it was inox...what others do they do

i know the one you had, thats another group n one but with silencers.

Al post the spec sheet up if i can find it again.

31st December 2008, 16:30

tbh Ryan I thought you were Ginger, but that is off topic so I refer to my original point.

Sell the BTB and buy a much lighter OMP Inox

31st December 2008, 16:30

you realise you quote in sig says i had him in corners cos of the diff, which you said he was faster in corners?

ive been off for a month and used the car pretty much every day, so its been an every day car

im away soon there is a god? i know your glad of that, means you dont have to pretend to be on the phone or stare at the floor every time im around

31st December 2008, 16:30

Craig, Steve:

This INOX on KamRacing is 3 parts and is stainless according to the info:

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...-saxo-634.html

Good price too IMO from Kam

31st December 2008, 16:32

Group N ya!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vF6f_hdsIgQ

31st December 2008, 16:32

ryan gets ginger hairs in his beard, hence why i call him ginger lol
he calls me baldy as i shave my head

difference is we are both none of the above, yet lee is haha

31st December 2008, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Craig, Steve:

This INOX on KamRacing is 3 parts and is stainless according to the info:

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...-saxo-634.html

Good price too IMO from Kam

I remember now - 3 piece system but not interchangable with OE parts.

31st December 2008, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Craig, Steve:

This INOX on KamRacing is 3 parts and is stainless according to the info:

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...-saxo-634.html

Good price too IMO from Kam

i thought it was 3 bits, why did you lie craig haha

EDIT: just read cant use oem parts lol

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4noQ3CTvU

^ inox system there.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=In-mRg...eature=related
^
karl isnt that your old car?

Epic find.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vLOqW-...eature=channel
saxo with inox system vs boy in a trolley.

31st December 2008, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Ah lee, now being blind is a very good point to.

I wouldnt mind the ginger gag, infact i think most would find it funny if i did have ginger hair.

Commenting on something which again is made up you just make yourself look more foolish.

feel free to try starting a war with me, you know you wont get very far.

Going to ban me are you...Abuse your powers Ryan...This aint Shed motorsport where people think your a god!!!

The BTB is to big for simple cams and by the sounds of it a few people agree..so pointless having it and spending cash on in it

Quote:

im away soon there is a god? i know your glad of that, means you dont have to pretend to be on the phone or stare at the floor every time im around

I dont give you the time of day to be honest...Let alone talk to you

31st December 2008, 16:33

Ginger...
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/7161...A0E721FD50B7AE

perhaps you should go to a better opticians

And as for a BTB, I ran one on my standard vtr (contraverisal) I gained better mpg aswell as the car was a better drive in comparrison to 3 other exhaust set ups I ran on it, mixing standard rear boxes with uprated center pipes, to full systems.

You cant fault the quailty of the system, again compairing it to systems ive run. Personally I would keep it, no one has the cash to put their money where the mouth is so you wont get alot of ££ for it in todays enviroment.

31st December 2008, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

i thought it was 3 bits, why did you lie craig haha

MY old one Steve had 3 stupid box's to be honest...sold it swap it for a 2 box system....gave it more of a kick

31st December 2008, 16:36

17 members viewing this thread! Is it about time it were locked or cleaned up???

31st December 2008, 16:36

and as for abuse of powers fuck off lee.

You have been warned repeatedly for trying to start arguments.

Many of which I have mediated to stop going further.

Again feel free to pick a war with me, or put something in your sig to be a hard man that you are .

31st December 2008, 16:36

Fancy shutting the fuck up abusing each other for once and keeping to decent advice?

31st December 2008, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Going to ban me are you...Abuse your powers Ryan...This aint Shed motorsport where people think your a god!!!

The BTB is to big for simple cams and by the sounds of it a few people agree..so pointless having it and spending cash on in it

I dont give you the time of day to be honest...Let alone talk to you

You walk away every time, eyes glued to the floor, everyone was laughing at it lol. Dont give me time of day? what was that pm bout?

31st December 2008, 16:40

Did you have to text Ryan Matt for some back up?????

Ryan start a war if you wise...your not always right!!

31st December 2008, 16:41

some interesting views on the BTB here,

leeroybrown i take it you favour the likes of supersprint on standard / cammed s engines then?

31st December 2008, 16:41

My honest opinion is to stick with the BTB. Its inevitable that at some point you will take the tuning of your car further than cams (I keep telling myself im not) and at which point you may have to change system to a BTB. If id had the money Idve had one, as it is my exhaust is made up from a magnex decat, a magnex centre I got free and a custom back box from AAS (NE fabricator)

31st December 2008, 16:41

Inox system looks pricey! dont look bad,
Yeah Steve that is my old one.
Mixed opinions whether its worth keeping BTB or not then.

31st December 2008, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Did you have to text Ryan Matt for some back up?????

Ryan start a war if you wise...your not always right!!

Yes i did have to text him

other than the fact he was already online lol

31st December 2008, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Did you have to text Ryan Matt for some back up?????

Ryan start a war if you wise...your not always right!!

And the reason for including my name in the first post you made was>

considering lee, Ive actually owned the item, so post an opinion based upon that.

Which you disagree with HAVING NEVER OWNED ONE!

Perhaps if you didnt try making pot shots at members for no apparent reason you might not have been banned as often as you have...

Now you are banned from making comments on here about a few users (and that inludes sig comments) you just want to act like a fool with another yes>

31st December 2008, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamH

some interesting views on the BTB here,

leeroybrown i take it you favour the likes of supersprint on standard / cammed s engines then?

Been showen loads of times Adam, why waste money on A btb when you can get a decent omp or Supersprint setup and get good if not better gains then a btb bud

31st December 2008, 16:44

Quote:

Perhaps if you didnt try making pot shots at members for no apparent reason you might not have been banned as often as you have...

Pot shots....ha

31st December 2008, 16:45

karl id keep the btb, you wont notice much difference and you wont get good money for it at the moment

31st December 2008, 16:46

hm i know what your saying leeroy but the raspyness is annoying on the motorway for example... but none the less a popular exhaust for a reason cheap and relieable

31st December 2008, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamH

hm i know what your saying leeroy but the raspyness is annoying on the motorway for example... but none the less a popular exhaust for a reason cheap and relieable

Can always get the silence centre section and they do 2 different rear boxes

4inch and a 2 inch

31st December 2008, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yates

karl id keep the btb, you wont notice much difference and you wont get good money for it at the moment

I do like it,
i just wanted to know if it was worth swapping it or not bud.

31st December 2008, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

Can always get the silence centre section and they do 2 different rear boxes

4inch and a 2 inch

4" is far to big for me, 2" is perfect, and ive seen and spoken to kam about the middle box but yet have not heard one

unless anyone has a link to a middle box version?

31st December 2008, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

I do like it,
i just wanted to know if it was worth swapping it or not bud.

only one way to find out

Try Ferg's on

31st December 2008, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

I do like it,
i just wanted to know if it was worth swapping it or not bud.

i dont think its worth it, imo as a cammed vts owner, you cant beat it, power difference may be something like 3bhp but you wont have as good exhaust, wont look as good or sound as good imo

31st December 2008, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

I do like it,
i just wanted to know if it was worth swapping it or not bud.

its all down to personal opinion. Like I said I did get better MPG aswell aswell as the car did notably perform better.

I guess you can listen to those who have had them, or those who cant afford them so will allways like to bitch about them

I personally cant stand the raspy noises of the Ashely or the Supersprint and OMP systems use, they are all sound and no go to me.

31st December 2008, 16:50

I dont have a link. But when I was out on Sunday the 2 lads I know with them, one has a silenced section one doesnt...the race system is raw as hell...but with the silencer it does sound wicked...not raspy at all

31st December 2008, 16:50

Better MPG?
sweet.
I put Vpower in and got 206 miles to 20 quid. some was quite spirited driving too!

31st December 2008, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeroybrown

I dont have a link. But when I was out on Sunday the 2 lads I know with them, one has a silenced section one doesnt...the race system is raw as hell...but with the silencer it does sound wicked...not raspy at all

this is going to sound rude but get some vids up if possible, im sure others would love to compare the 2 also?

31st December 2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

Better MPG?
sweet.
I put Vpower in and got 206 miles to 20 quid. some was quite spirited driving too!

in comparison to my other systems the car ran better and I got more miles from a tank.

I only took it off because it was going to be used on my other engine, and I couldnt justify having the two btbs I had in use, so wanted a standard system on the saxo for daily driving.

31st December 2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

I personally cant stand the raspy noises of the Ashely or the Supersprint and OMP systems use, they are all sound and no go to me.

hahaha! I have an Ashley you fhag and it is waaaaay better than my old magnex and supersprint/piper combi.

Sounds the tits too

31st December 2008, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamH

this is going to sound rude but get some vids up if possible, im sure others would love to compare the 2 also?

Will do

31st December 2008, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

Better MPG?
sweet.
I put Vpower in and got 206 miles to 20 quid. some was quite spirited driving too!

I envy you. Mine drinks. Well feels like it does, might treat her to a full tank and see how much i get out of it (also using 97ron fuel - usually BP ultimate or Texaco Excellium as theyre local)

31st December 2008, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

hahaha! I have an Ashley you fhag and it is waaaaay better than my old magnex and supersprint/piper combi.

Sounds the tits too

See and it different Craig...you aint a sheep and follow someone else cos they say its good

31st December 2008, 16:59

mines great on mpg lol

31st December 2008, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo_ron

My honest opinion is to stick with the BTB. Its inevitable that at some point you will take the tuning of your car further than cams (I keep telling myself im not) and at which point you may have to change system to a BTB. If id had the money Idve had one, as it is my exhaust is made up from a magnex decat, a magnex centre I got free and a custom back box from AAS (NE fabricator)

Quoting meself so it isnt lost in amongst nonsense

31st December 2008, 17:03

Makes sense I suppose, the diameter is a bit large but if you guys dont think im losing any power through it then I suppose ill leave it on.

31st December 2008, 17:07

For the hassel of buying another system and changing it for the sake of 5bhp max, would you bother?

If they didnt sound as good as they do, or suit the rear bumper so well then i wouldnt have bought mine purley because of the size, however they look the tits and when on a spirited drive, it doesnt sound like a gay chav cannon. Its just a nice exhaust noise

31st December 2008, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

Makes sense I suppose, the diameter is a bit large but if you guys dont think im losing any power through it then I suppose ill leave it on.

ask yourself a question.

Are you tryng to chase every 1-2bhp. As if so you then will want to have the head ported to match the cam choice, valves chosen to suit etc...

imo theres nothing wrong with the system, Its a good ground for more work if you chose it, built very well so will last (something you want in an exhaust) and does still perform well even on a standard 8v (as mine did)

You could sell it for another system but then how much money do you expect to get for the BTB, and then the cost of a new system and swapping them over etc..

31st December 2008, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamH

this is going to sound rude but get some vids up if possible, im sure others would love to compare the 2 also?

i have a raceland mani and a silenced supersprint will get a vid up asap for you and also see if bark or anth will also dothis.

1st January 2009, 02:46

reason a btb is so good is its bhp figures it gains on boosted cars, an after market exhaust at 2" bore is a decent exhaust on cams or standard recplacment, a btb is designed well from what ive seen/been told about them.

but a 2.5" bore is NOT needed if your not much above standard power and in MY opinion on a cammed car only producing 30% more power than standard a btb isnt needed because your cheaper after market exhaust or standard exhaust wont be restricing.

Boost.. well oviously a car doubling bhp isnt going to breath well on standard bore size, hense a btbs size and design helping make good amounts of bhp...

but if i was offered a btb at cheap price id have it, other wise i would rather put the money towards other things.

all IMO...

1st January 2009, 09:04

Dont forget a BTB has 2inch first section lads!

1st January 2009, 10:26

obviously the BTB will help power as you get higher up in the revs as the increased flow wont be as restricted. all depends on where you want your power!

1st January 2009, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

i totally forgot about that inox system.
Love the sound of them and i like the looks.

Get a very good review, i dont have one as not sure on the db level as there is no silencers.

Don't know if its makes a difference now!

But i have the OMP INOX on my 16v.

I haven't driven the car with it on that much, but it made a hell of a difference from my standard exhaust, even with my shit manifold.

And its nowhere near as loud as i expected!

Don't know anything about the BTB to comment.

1st January 2009, 13:48

i get really good MPG as well!!

i think its because of my scorpion back box.