vts engine in 1.1

5th January 2009, 00:59

anybody know a good place to get a vts engine?
or has anybody got one for sale.
i am also looking for a aftermarcket body kit with the devil spoiler if anybody has anything for sale please comment asap thanx

5th January 2009, 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by spikey18

anybody know a good place to get a vts engine?
or has anybody got one for sale.
i am also looking for a aftermarcket body kit with the devil spoiler if anybody has anything for sale please comment asap thanx

On ebay..........or local breakers..........

5th January 2009, 03:36

Not worth it imo.

5th January 2009, 10:08

get a vts...i might be able to help...

5th January 2009, 10:12

mate forget the bodykit, and dont you have to uprate the engine mounts on a 1.1 to put a VTS engine in?

5th January 2009, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by spikey18

anybody know a good place to get a vts engine?
or has anybody got one for sale.
i am also looking for a aftermarcket body kit with the devil spoiler if anybody has anything for sale please comment asap thanx

why not just buy a vts???

You will need to uprate brakes etc... so the car can take the extra power...not worth it imo

5th January 2009, 12:56

its a well worth while conversion imo, nothing better than a stock looking 1.1 with a 120hp engine, i did it and enjoyed every min.

if you do it -

Dont kit it

Do use all the right parts, brakes, suspension etc
Do keep it looking as stock as possible

5th January 2009, 13:02

if i wer to do it it, ide do it to a 1.1 but buy a crash damaged saxo vts, and break that for parts for the 1.1 vts, eg brakes suspention engine interia rear beam absolutly everything but keeping it looking stock , but tbh the only reason i would do it is for cheap insurance / sleeper 1.1

5th January 2009, 13:07

Good idea mate! Insurance would be dirt cheap but car would go like shit off a shovel.

5th January 2009, 13:45

insurance would be void you mean

5th January 2009, 15:06

youd need to declair it as a non standard engine
most companies dont like that too much

also dvla would need to be informed
youd also need bits such as the vts cat for mots

and theres also the ecu side engine mount to swap from the vts to the 1.1
so make sure drivers wing isnt ruined

5th January 2009, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

youd need to declair it as a non standard engine
most companies dont like that too much

also dvla would need to be informed
youd also need bits such as the vts cat for mots

and theres also the ecu side engine mount to swap from the vts to the 1.1
so make sure drivers wing isnt ruined

So much do do, when you could just buy a complete vts lol

5th January 2009, 15:42

i would rather pay for a vts than do the conversion but donsax is rite people will think youve got a 1.1 and then they will just see dust when you rip the lights init

5th January 2009, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1.1i

So much do do, when you could just buy a complete vts lol

or have a lighter sleeper
1.1s weigh slighlty less due to not having the vt kit
you can also get early no sunroof models
and some have a smaller fuel tank too

lots of weight gone allready meaning more performance

a vts converted 1.1 would have a slight edge over a standard vts
wouldnt really be noticable though but still

plus
1.1 for a few hundred
vts motor box and loom a about 300
suspension for about 400ish
spanners out

cheap fast car

5th January 2009, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

or have a lighter sleeper
1.1s weigh slighlty less due to not having the vt kit
you can also get early no sunroof models
and some have a smaller fuel tank too

lots of weight gone allready meaning more performance

a vts converted 1.1 would have a slight edge over a standard vts
wouldnt really be noticable though but still

plus
1.1 for a few hundred
vts motor box and loom a about 300
suspension for about 400ish
spanners out

cheap fast car

I suppose lol

You always have the last say/post

5th January 2009, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1.1i

I suppose lol

You always have the last say

i allways have to show its quite feasable not just silly

if your confident with spanners its not hard
my forst proper car project was a vts into a 1.1

5th January 2009, 15:53

Sleepers r great mine still says vtr on the side its great you see someone next to you look down at the badge on the side and then you just dust them lol.

5th January 2009, 16:12

if i was to have a side project.........that would be it

good luck mate

6th January 2009, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by don55

insurance would be void you mean

yes but how would the police know if they poped the bonnet they would not know just by a glance at the engine. even in a crash i think they might overlook the engine numbers

6th January 2009, 20:19

lmao thank you for the responce. but i already have a vtr kit on the 1.1
i dont want to be a chav. but i really like a certin bodykit and i think it would turn heads over a standard 1.1 or vtr.
so how much are the new engine mounts ???
and could i fit it myself if i get a engine hoist?
also
how do i knoe it will be a proper vts and not a blag vtr engine ??

thanx

6th January 2009, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ_SAXO

why not just buy a vts???

You will need to uprate brakes etc... so the car can take the extra power...not worth it imo

im going to buy big drilled all round breaks

brembo ahha

-mod- no need for swearing -mod-

6th January 2009, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by spikey18

lmao thank you for the responce. but i already have a vtr kit on the 1.1
i dont want to be a chav. but i really like a certin bodykit and i think it would turn heads over a standard 1.1 or vtr.
so how much are the new engine mounts ???
and could i fit it myself if i get a engine hoist?
also
how do i knoe it will be a proper vts and not a blag vtr engine ??

thanx

please dont say u mean that about knowin whether its a vtr or vts engine. kinda gives it away that ones an 8v and the other a 16v.

6th January 2009, 20:41

Spikey:

as for the engine being a vts engine and not a "blag vtr engine" there are 8 more valves on the vts lump to the r lump. Try to study some before you look to buy one, plenty of pics here.

As for your statement about the "police not knowing when they open the bonnet that it's an s lump and not a 1.1 engine" that may be so in some situations, but you will be found out and your insurance will be void (as if something doesn't seem right about your car the police can take it for whatever reason), you will most likely lose your car due to invalid insurance, and have points for driving illegally.

To do things legally Alex has laid down some good rules, but insurance will be more than just buying a standard vts not cheaper... unless you don't declare, which I don't reccomend.

most kits look gash but if you like one go for it.

6th January 2009, 22:40

if sumone popped the bonnet and looked... they could tell what engine it is if they knew what they were looking for, but in all fairness... if you stacked the front end, they aint going to tell what was in there anyway.

id say its a bloody good idea, ive done the 1.1 to VTR conversion for a mate, but she also wanted the body kit... and looking to do it for mine once ive come off the insurance black list lol and keep it badged up as a 1.1.

easy job if your confident, engine crane and the space and time to do it.
just make sure you got the brakes and get some strut braces too!

8th January 2009, 13:51

Obviously a 1.1 Engine looks a lot different to a VTS Engine, even at first glance, but In my opinion unless someone knew quite a bit about saxo's already (which I'm sure most cops probably won't) and has a real 1.1 engine to compare it to, a VTR/Furio engine in a 1.1 will most likely go un-noticed, where as the 16v engines look completely different IIRC.

Risky business though mate.

8th January 2009, 13:57

i was tempted by a vtr motor for the above
they might raise eyebrows with a 4branch ect in the bay though

basically any mods undeclaired is a risky buisness let alone an engine swap

8th January 2009, 14:19

Exactly mate.

Theres always a chance of getting caught, no matter how little. It's whether the person is willing to take this chance, and whether it's worth it to them personally.

For some it is, for some it isn't, i can say personally that when I do my engine conversion this summer, If I decide on an 'R' engine, I won't be declaring it to anybody, but If I go all out and get an 'S' engine, I probably would.

Might not make sense to some people, because an VTS engine would bump insurance up a huge amount, where as a VTR Engine probably wouldn't, but it's the getting caught factor, and if you crash, making sure you do a proper job and destroy the whole front end so no-one can tell

I joke

8th January 2009, 14:22

either will be a non standard engine and your insurance will be rather hefty
both a 1.6 so will cost about the same

8th January 2009, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

either will be a non standard engine and your insurance will be rather hefty
both a 1.6 so will cost about the same

Difference will be much larger for the 1.6 16v conversion. 7 insurance groups difference in the models, would be at least a few hundred quid + whatever extra mods you delare + itll be more than a standard R or S purely because tis not the standard engine