Cold cold air idea????

1. vtsRob Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Southampton Posts: 257 2002 Honda Integra DC5 Import

   #1 6th January 2009, 16:36

   Hi guys and girls,
   
   Iv been looking at induction kits now for a few days, and have seen soo many times that its IMPORTANT to get cold cold air into the engine as it produces far more BHP than hot air getting sucked in!
   
   So what im thinking is, has anyone ever designed a induction system that allows you to put or consists of the air passing thru some sort of ice pack? like i know in everyday use it would be piontless as it would melt, but for track/drag sprints, would fitting some sort of ice pack that the air can pass via improve anything especialy on a warm day, and the unit would have to be sealed as we wouldnt want condensation getting taken in the engine, but do you see where im coming from??
   
   If im being stupid just say so. lol
2. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

   #2 6th January 2009, 16:39

   Easier idea would be to route your induction to open air just for the strip..
   Perhaps take a headlight out and have a cone filter sitting in place of a headlight.
3. user_12053 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 S-o-T, Staffordshire Posts: 1220 99 Saxo VTR, 2002 VTS

   #3 6th January 2009, 16:40

   The air would be passing through so quick that I cant see it affecting it, maybe a points of degrees which wouldnt make much if any difference anyway, some higher performance cars have intercoolers abd chargecoolers, but you would have to have the intake running at minus temps for it to have any effect on the air passing through it id say!
4. Anthony Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Cornwall Posts: 1594 Mk 1 Red VTR

   #4 6th January 2009, 16:41

   I see where your coming from, maybe some kind of air conditioning system to cool the air before it reaches the engine, rather than a ice pack. Just a thought
5. user_25971 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Herts Posts: 700 2001 VTR

   #5 6th January 2009, 16:41

   As soon as I saw the title, I thought ICE PACKS lol
6. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #6 6th January 2009, 16:47

   i have seen co2 systems that consist of piping wrapped around the induction hoses to cool the air
   
   imo for the cost of designing and building a refrigeratd unit its not worth it for the minimal gain you would get
7. vtsRob Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Southampton Posts: 257 2002 Honda Integra DC5 Import

   #7 6th January 2009, 16:51

   Yeah,
   
   I was just thinking, cos iv got a unit in my room, you fill with cold icecube water and it blows air through the unit of cold water and the air comes out freezing, and it does whizz thru pretty quick, i just wondered if anyone had tried it, or thought the idea.
   
   Just an idea tho
8. user_25465 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5250 Pink Jazz

   #8 6th January 2009, 16:56

   correct me if im wrong but the reason cold air is important is because of its greater density. (has more oxygen) isnt that what nitrous oxide does?
   
   http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=59
9. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #9 6th January 2009, 16:56

   imo its not worth it
   
   plus you say it would be pointless daily your car runs hotter on track so would ruin anything like an iceapack in a few minutes
10. Mark_Jordan Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Wokingham Posts: 236 Citroen Saxo 1.1i 1998

    #10 6th January 2009, 16:59

    i agree, will not be cost affective and there will be numerous problems with it
11. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #11 6th January 2009, 17:10

    Intercoolers! Which have already been invented.
    
    You can't use one in a N/A set up though, as there would too much air restriction. But they work a treat for turbo charged engine!
12. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #12 6th January 2009, 17:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kennc005 correct me if im wrong but the reason cold air is important is because of its greater density. (has more oxygen) isnt that what nitrous oxide does? http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=59

    That's absolutely right. Nitrous Oxide is non-flamable. In a performance engine set up, the Nitrous Oxide will be stored in a liquid form, under large pressue. When it's released it causes a huge drop in temperature, which gives more oxygen than normal outside air...
13. RJ303 Established Member Joined: Oct 2006 Kingston Upon Hull area Posts: 1642 MG ZT CDTi Citroen C4 Picasso VTR+

    #13 6th January 2009, 17:18

    Dry ice? Has a temp of -178 doesnt it?
14. vtsRob Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Southampton Posts: 257 2002 Honda Integra DC5 Import

    #14 6th January 2009, 17:37

    HMMM DRY ICE