removal of power steering

6th January 2009, 21:04

How do i remove the power steeringram from the saxo steering rack?

6th January 2009, 21:27

fit a non pas rack and colum.

6th January 2009, 23:10

As said above, may be wrong but could try a 1.1 rack if there there similar, and obviously remove pump & hoses.

6th January 2009, 23:41

remove pump and plug on pump

remove flow and return pipes, drain all the fluid out and then you have a non power steering rack

will be better to get a non pas rack though, there quite easy to do just a bit fiddly with the bolts etc

7th January 2009, 08:38

as pred said.

There is a good thread on SSC where they state the non pas rack causes the wheels to rub on full lock.

will get it for you if you really want.

7th January 2009, 10:17

removing the pump and fluid wouldnt cause any long term problems would it? thinking of doing this to mine as i hate power steering. if the pump and fluid are removed do you still leave the ram on or does that need to be removed too.

7th January 2009, 10:31

why would you want to remove the pas?

7th January 2009, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr-richie

why would you want to remove the pas?

save weight, better steering response imo

7th January 2009, 11:17

save alot of weight? pain in the arse to drive normally though...

7th January 2009, 14:03

ive had a few cars without PAS and its not a problem, 1 had 17s on and was only heavy when parking etc.

7th January 2009, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtr-richie

save alot of weight? pain in the arse to drive normally though...

not really.
Dont notice it too much when driving, just be at slow speeds.

dont know the actually weight difference of the racks.

But less weight = quicker accerlation.

7th January 2009, 14:05

and your not using power to operate the PAS either.

7th January 2009, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

and your not using power to operate the PAS either.

exact a mundo

7th January 2009, 16:49

steve link to ssc thread
cant see how it makes em run unless it gives more lock?

have a 1.1 rack lying about and have played with pas stuff too
didnt notice much difference

7th January 2009, 16:51

im putting a non PAS rack and colum onto mine.

6th February 2009, 13:04

Sorry to dig up this oldie. I'm looking to have this done. Where can I get a non PAS rack and colum from? Besides a breakers...

6th February 2009, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

steve link to ssc thread
cant see how it makes em run unless it gives more lock?

have a 1.1 rack lying about and have played with pas stuff too
didnt notice much difference

will try dig it out.

or get searching ya self lol

6th February 2009, 13:08

What actually is the difference between having a PAS rack with the PAS disabled and a non-PAS rack?

I figure I already have a PAS rack in my car which has been disabled so what advantage would I see by replacing it with a non-pas one?

6th February 2009, 13:21

PAS rack could well be longer, ie more turns of the wheel to achieve full lock.

Non-PAS would be shorter..

(i dont know, just assuming.)

6th February 2009, 13:25

I remember when I drove my friends 106 Rallye. It was fine on the roads but fuck me was it difficult to drive at slow speeds compared to my VTS.

6th February 2009, 13:26

I've been driving the VTS without PAS for months now and kinda got used to it. Felt ace on track at FCS

6th February 2009, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

What actually is the difference between having a PAS rack with the PAS disabled and a non-PAS rack?

I figure I already have a PAS rack in my car which has been disabled so what advantage would I see by replacing it with a non-pas one?

non bar some weight tbh imo

6th February 2009, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

non bar some weight tbh imo

How much weight? Just the pump and relevent wiring/hoses?

6th February 2009, 13:34

tadaaaaaa

think this is the thread.
http://www.saxosportsclub.com/Forums...+steering.html

6th February 2009, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferg

I remember when I drove my friends 106 Rallye. It was fine on the roads but fuck me was it difficult to drive at slow speeds compared to my VTS.

just parking and that,
would be alright for me,
either gets driven spirited or 2 miles up road for work and lobbed in a massive carpark.

6th February 2009, 13:44

Yeah just abit of a pain in the arse for slow speed driving. But if you're not driving much it wouldn't be a problem. Does it actually save much wait for the hassle though?

6th February 2009, 14:12

My sister has a new Mini S and I had a wee drive of it last night. It's got a sports mode button that stiffens up the suspension, and also, which I wasn't aware of, stiffens up the steering by quite a lot. It felt SO much nicer, as you get so much more feedback. Can't wait to do this now.

6th February 2009, 20:17

no PAS rack which is fucked or off is heavy as fuck compared to a non PAS rack. + you save weight and a smidge of power

7th February 2009, 21:36

So is scrappy the only way forward?

7th February 2009, 22:36

ill have a non PAS rack from my s1 rallye when i finally remove it for sale

7th February 2009, 22:57

That might be an option Ryan, thanks.

Just for clarity, is there a specific rack I will need? Does it have to be from a specific model Saxo / 106?

8th February 2009, 15:24

you'll need colum aswell. and track roads if fitting a 106 rack to saxo and vice versa.

8th February 2009, 16:33

all of which will be removed from my rallye for selling soon lol

8th February 2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

you'll need colum aswell. and track roads if fitting a 106 rack to saxo and vice versa.

Thanks bud

Do I need to take it from a specific model?

8th February 2009, 19:22

didnt think youd need to swap the column too
ive seen the s1 106 rack has a shorter column other than that i thought they were all the same

in the week ill be putting a non pas saxo rack on my 106 gti so i can update when i do toad

8th February 2009, 21:59

OK thanks Alex. Which Saxo did you get it from?

11th February 2009, 11:09

Can someone please confirm what model (if any) I need to get the non-PAS and column from please?

11th February 2009, 11:15

i got my non pas setup of a 1.1 saxo (w reg)
as far as i can see its only the rack thats different no need to get the column

11th February 2009, 12:00

Thanks. So I guess I'll just look for any 106 down a scrappy... Cheers bud.

11th February 2009, 12:10

any base model i think mate
the s1 rack off 106s is different to the s2 rack
so that wont work

11th February 2009, 12:24

come colums are different on saxos.

11th February 2009, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

any base model i think mate
the s1 rack off 106s is different to the s2 rack
so that wont work

That's confused me! So what 106 do I need to rampage??

11th February 2009, 14:19

any s2 flat arch should have the bits your after

11th February 2009, 15:10

Gota be a flat-arch ... Just watch out for Independence and Zest models as they came with optional power steering.

11th February 2009, 15:58

OK... So any S2 106 which isn't a 1.1?

12th February 2009, 08:02

I've used the web site: 247spares.co.uk (the same one I got my s1 rallye gearbox from) to request "a non-PAS steering rack from any model 106, "W" registration or later..." Let's so how long it takes for someone to get back to me...

12th February 2009, 08:44

Wow. It took just 10 minutes.

I have a quote for £40.25 inc. VAT and delivery!

Sound like a goer?

12th February 2009, 08:51

Oh well. Too late, I've bought it.

The people on the blower sounded like they knew their 106 parts, as they said they were all the same on the series 2's... I have no idea if it's from a 1.1, 1.4 or 106, but it's defo a no-PAS rack...

12th February 2009, 12:40

It would have to be from a 1.1 as Quiksilver and GTi both have PAS, as i'm sure you know.

Sounds like a good deal tbh ... Saves you trecking down to a Scrappies and getting dirty yourself.