will it perform like a vts!!!

1. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #1 7th January 2009, 16:27

   i have a 2000 vtr(low miles mk2) and have now got all breathing mods and uprated brakes and suspension,so was thinking of getting cams as mu nex buy, my weapon of choice has been decided as a newmans ph3 with a remap and was expectiong with all the above to be runnin around the 120bhp mark? with this in mind and the fact i want a new clutch soon so decided on getting a vts g/box as they are better would i be keeping up with standard vts' with a like for like driver, really want a vts but i cant get insured with age and points etc sorry bout the essay cheers for any input
2. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

   #2 7th January 2009, 16:29

   for the price of all that it would be cheaper to get a S block.. then have a lil money left for other mods to make it faster..
3. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #3 7th January 2009, 16:30

   simple answer is no
   the vtr power deliver will be different
4. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #4 7th January 2009, 16:31

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Alex-VTS simple answer is no the vtr power deliver will be different

   lol but i mentione di'd be getting a vts box when i do the clutch
5. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

   #5 7th January 2009, 16:32

   yes, still not worth it.
6. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #6 7th January 2009, 16:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 lol but i mentione di'd be getting a vts box when i do the clutch

   read and edited
   
   ther vts power comes in higher in the revs an it will rev longer
   the vtr will probably be better lower in the revs and then the vts will run away from you
7. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #7 7th January 2009, 16:35

   how not worth it? i got all ohter mods v cheap of a few m8 whov owned in past and can an s box for v cheap, once i remove mine i should get more than what i'll pay back, and if i get on the group buy for the cams its not guna cost me much remap will be the most as all fitting will be done buy me
8. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

   #8 7th January 2009, 16:36

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Alex-VTS read and edited ther vts power comes in higher in the revs an it will rev longer the vtr will probably be better lower in the revs and then the vts will run away from you

   lol i though your post had changed? was thinking id read it wrong hahah
9. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

   #9 7th January 2009, 16:37

   Dont ask for advice then if your gona argue with the results, i would listen to alex he knows a hell of alot imo
10. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #10 7th January 2009, 16:37

    lol
    im good at doing that
    i struggle reading and miss bits
11. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #11 7th January 2009, 16:38

    haha as do i
12. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #12 7th January 2009, 16:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo Dont ask for advice then if your gona argue with the results, i would listen to alex he knows a hell of alot imo

    i dont really know that much
13. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #13 7th January 2009, 16:40

    wasnt arguin m8 i think both of us missed abit in the posts haha, tbh i really want a vts but im only 20 anhave been running on dads ins since passin as i have 6 points, im gettin ar*e raped for ins on a vtr
14. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #14 7th January 2009, 16:43

    try a vts as a first car with all mods declaired
    
    i had it and payed through the nose
15. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #15 7th January 2009, 16:49

    been driving three years m8 but with no noclaims its jus too much for me to afford, 3 of my points come off this june so im going to get a vts when my ins on the r runs out in oct, i'll then be 21 and only have 3 points so it will drop quite substantially, also if not i can then go with a flux under my dad still as htey dont allow anyone on parents policies till 21
16. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #16 7th January 2009, 16:50

    if you want a VTR to go similar to a S just look at the S2 rallye thats closer to the 16v that any other TU 1.6 8v mods ont hem make them go well to.
    
    But if you want similar go strippaged tbs etc etc fat bird to throw at the s driver
17. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #17 7th January 2009, 16:51

    yea could work out
    still though i bet your whinging over like 2.5k yea??
    
    mine was just under 4k
18. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #18 7th January 2009, 16:54

    are the vtr mods declared?
19. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #19 7th January 2009, 16:55

    cheapest i seen was round 2.6k like jus too much when you consider moddin tax mot n then petrol and havin a life hhaah
20. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #20 7th January 2009, 16:56

    only i havent declared yet is my alloys
21. richt247 Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 South Shields Posts: 808 Mk 4 GSI

    #21 7th January 2009, 17:00

    source a half decent VTS engine and drop that in... then you have 120bhp and a lot more room for power modifications.
    
    be about the same price aswell...
22. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #22 7th January 2009, 17:04

    i really hate the way that people say "drop a VTS engine in" i would like more people to stay 8v there is nothing wrong with them, i agree you will have more power before modifiying, but the VTR engine is good.
23. markl Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 105 30th AE civic type R

    #23 7th January 2009, 17:04

    surely a vtr with them mods wouldnt be much cheaper to insure than a standard vts??
24. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #24 7th January 2009, 17:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 i really hate the way that people say "drop a VTS engine in" i would like more people to stay 8v there is nothing wrong with them, i agree you will have more power before modifiying, but the VTR engine is good.

    because if you are after more power its the best option.
25. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #25 7th January 2009, 17:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS simple answer is no the vtr power deliver will be different

    agree power delivery is totally different.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 lol but i mentione di'd be getting a vts box when i do the clutch

    still wont rev like a VTS
    
    that is of course answering your thread title.
    
    with ph3's and a decent map even with a vtr box would match a VTS off the line through the gears.
    
    Seen a few do it now.
    
    
    BHP for money best to stick a VTS engine in.
26. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #26 7th January 2009, 18:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS i dont really know that much

    Pah, dont pull your self down, your knoledge is admired
27. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

    #27 7th January 2009, 18:52

    comments saying sitck a vts lump in are pretty pointless when the lad who posted said he couldnt insure the 16v lump . . . .
28. de4n0 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 nottingham Posts: 1250 2003 citroen saxo vts.

    #28 7th January 2009, 18:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 i really hate the way that people say "drop a VTS engine in" i would like more people to stay 8v there is nothing wrong with them, i agree you will have more power before modifiying, but the VTR engine is good.

    yes good engine, BUT still only 8v and only 93-98bhp so if power is what hes after the vts engine is the better and cheaper option than tarting up a vtr engine when its not even the bigest saxos have no ones faulting the vtr engine is good as is the 1.1...there all good but the vts is the fastest, get the s and chuck your money into that i say. and yes im guesing it will be cheaper for you because your not insuring these mods. in witch case you may as well drive around in a vtr with a vts un declared its practically what youd be doing.
29. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

    #29 7th January 2009, 18:59

    thinking about it if he cant insure a vts surely a highly tuned r lump will be on the limit as well . . .
30. vtsRob Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Southampton Posts: 257 2002 Honda Integra DC5 Import

    #30 7th January 2009, 19:08

    Not being funny but at 19 i bought a mk1 vts, declared 4-2-1 manifold, full decat system, chip, induction kit, lowered etc etc
    
    and had 1 years no claims, and it cost me 1900 with bell.co.uk. so i dont see where all these 4k quotes are coming from??? and yes i was main driver!
31. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #31 7th January 2009, 19:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Roy-VTS thinking about it if he cant insure a vts surely a highly tuned r lump will be on the limit as well . . .

    Well i was only saying it because it would be pointless to do it to a vtr when you could drive it void insurance for a few months till you could afford it or w/e but your everyday pig aint gona know the difference in a vtr and s engine, thers loads of chavvy arses that get away with the 1.1 shit box 13 yr old corsas with c20let conversions n shit undeclared oh well up to him really, id rather save the money to buy a vts a a year or so when you could afford it legally, how much are 1.6 - 1.8 vtr stroker kits ?
32. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

    #32 7th January 2009, 20:17

    i reckon with the mods youa re planning you will match a vts. if not it will be close however as said the power will be delivered differently likely you would get away then the vts claw back. obviously we are talkign standard VTS. Either way your car would be a hell of a lot better / more fun to drive.
    
    As said also strip it out and pick up some accelration there. I think everyone is presuming that your suspensiona nd brakes are sorted too, a well set up vtr would easily tick with an 's' on the twisties
33. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #33 7th January 2009, 20:19

    Why polish a turd when thers a gold ring lying a few hundred pounds away
34. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #34 7th January 2009, 22:02

    i have a cammed vtr and had a go with a vts only started to pull away slowly at 95mph which you never need to go anyway. and it had an exhaust and other exterior mods guessing he had some sort of uprated induction too. and that was on an r box.
    
    my cammed vtr is so much better to drive since i had it done and the power delivery is quite brutal compared to standard wheelspins in second gear at 4'000rpm lol
    
    i made 122bhp on the rr since then added a supersrint mani so i'm probably close to 130bhp
35. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #35 7th January 2009, 22:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dasher_VTR i have a cammed vtr and had a go with a vts only started to pull away slowly at 95mph which you never need to go anyway. and it had an exhaust and other exterior mods guessing he had some sort of uprated induction too. and that was on an r box. my cammed vtr is so much better to drive since i had it done and the power delivery is quite brutal compared to standard wheelspins in second gear at 4'000rpm lol i made 122bhp on the rr since then added a supersrint mani so i'm probably close to 130bhp

    
    Hmm, sounds good tbh, how much you think youv speant on performance mods like ?
36. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #36 7th January 2009, 22:18

    around a grand
    
    before you say "you could of dropped a vts in for that"
    
    this is more fun to drive than a basic modded vts. also i didn't want to spend a grand on vts conversion then another grand probably more on cams. i just wanted a tuned engine as i like characteristics you get from them. all i will say is i think the rallye head fits the vtr lump i wish i would of cammed that as they can chuck out 140bhp. but its about 200-300 pound more.
37. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #37 7th January 2009, 22:23

    i wasnt gona say that lmao, i was expecting you to say cost more than that tbh, so your getting abotu 130 after speandin a grand, hmm sounds pretty good tbh i wasnt expecting the figures to be that high.. like a 50bhp increase 18 quid per horse
38. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #38 7th January 2009, 22:25

    yeah but i got the cams cheap and the manifold was a bargain. and labour was dead cheap as my mate done it. only thing that was expensive was the remap but it was worth it.
    
    one of my mates thought it was alot, but then went to tell me that putting an exhaust system on his 200sx (that gets ragged within an inch of it life everyday) will add 25bhp
39. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #39 7th January 2009, 22:27

    sounds good tbh "changes mind on s conversions"
40. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #40 7th January 2009, 22:31

    vts conversion is good is your looking at spending 2500 grand on mods. tbh i don't see the point on spending that on a saxo just on performance.
41. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #41 7th January 2009, 22:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo sounds good tbh "changes mind on s conversions"

    
    
    why though, once you've done usual cam exhaust remap on vtr you get about 120ish hp???
    anymore and you need to start spending loads. when you can get 150+ out a vts engine for similar money.
42. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #42 7th January 2009, 22:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts why though, once you've done usual cam exhaust remap on vtr you get about 120ish hp??? anymore and you need to start spending loads. when you can get 150+ out a vts engine for similar money.

    it's not similar money thought cos you have to drop in the vts lump first.
43. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #43 7th January 2009, 22:37

    so 400 quid for a vts engine, which has alot more potential than the 8v.
44. Roy-VTS Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2007 Plymouth Posts: 621 S2 ERST

    #44 7th January 2009, 22:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dasher_VTR vts conversion is good is your looking at spending 2500 grand on mods. tbh i don't see the point on spending that on a saxo just on performance.

    silly statement i would spend it if i could lol
45. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

    #45 7th January 2009, 22:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS yea could work out still though i bet your whinging over like 2.5k yea?? mine was just under 4k

    Same but for a VTR lol dropped 2k once i had 1 years driving xp and ncb
46. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #46 7th January 2009, 22:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dasher_VTR it's not similar money thought cos you have to drop in the vts lump first.

    with the 8v you are polishing a turd but its still a turd.
    
    Why spend large sums of money trying to get an engine to 120bhp when you can spend a little bit more and have 150+ easy.
47. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #47 8th January 2009, 12:33

    A lot of insurance companies won't even touch modified cars, especially with young drivers. So typically, a VTS will be cheaper to insure than a modified VTR. Also, rather than doing an engine swap, it would probably me easier to simply buy a VTS and sell your VTR...
48. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #48 8th January 2009, 12:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Roy-VTS comments saying sitck a vts lump in are pretty pointless when the lad who posted said he couldnt insure the 16v lump . . . .

    cost more to insure a cammed VTR with remap.
    
    Does for me anyway.
49. ryhornvtr Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2005 norwich United Kingdom (England) Posts: 821 2003 posi VTS

    #49 8th January 2009, 16:46

    Basicly, it would be cheaper to get a vts engine in there.
    
    Its also the better engine. I know vtr owners will defend 8v engines, but the 16v is better.
    
    Anyway, why does the op want to cam his vtr when hes said hes getting a vts in the summer. Waste of time camming it imo.
50. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #50 8th January 2009, 16:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtsRob Not being funny but at 19 i bought a mk1 vts, declared 4-2-1 manifold, full decat system, chip, induction kit, lowered etc etc and had 1 years no claims, and it cost me 1900 with bell.co.uk. so i dont see where all these 4k quotes are coming from??? and yes i was main driver!

    if youd read the thread m8 you would of seen that im only 20 with no noclaims and 6 points! hahha thats were the big quotes come in and as for most saying drop the s lump in, with mods i have declared it didnt shift much however with cams and a map i wnt have to declare as the ins comp wont be stripping my engine and gettin a mapper into my ecu to find out will they, but if i drop ans lump in its a tad different loking to an 8 valve for any poilceman or insurance company to notice isnt it.
51. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #51 8th January 2009, 16:56

    with the cams on the group buy and map plus all my other mods i will have only spent bout800-900 on perfromance parts, and i can still insure it quite cheap, once sourced all parts for an s lump then try to insure im lookin at least triple that,
52. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #52 8th January 2009, 16:57

    tbh though afer it all youll have a modded car to insure
    that may end up with a non standar engine
    
    it will cost mre to insure a modded vtr than to insure a vts in mst cases
53. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #53 8th January 2009, 16:59

    lol iv changed my mind again after looking at a few vtss on youtube LOL at ryan "polish a turd"
54. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #54 8th January 2009, 17:01

    but its already modded to an extent so ive already got my ins, it didnt change much with what ive got, as said i dont need to declare the cams or map because who will know? the s will cost me sooooooooooo much more to ins, it'l cost me the same for cams and map as it wil for s lump but wont change my ins, u know what i mean?
55. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #55 8th January 2009, 17:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 but its already modded to an extent so ive already got my ins, it didnt change much with what ive got, as said i dont need to declare the cams or map because who will know? the s will cost me sooooooooooo much more to ins, it'l cost me the same for cams and map as it wil for s lump but wont change my ins, u know what i mean?

    Fuck it stick a turbo on it
56. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #56 8th January 2009, 17:04

    you mean your not declairing mods to make it cheaper
    
    you crash n ruin the rockercover (which i have done) and its suddenly obviose the cam isnt standard as newmans have the words sportcam stampe in them
57. Toad Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can

    #57 8th January 2009, 17:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 but its already modded to an extent so ive already got my ins, it didnt change much with what ive got, as said i dont need to declare the cams or map because who will know? the s will cost me sooooooooooo much more to ins, it'l cost me the same for cams and map as it wil for s lump but wont change my ins, u know what i mean?

    That's just donkeydick. You've got points on your license already, and you don't want to decalre modifications on your car so it will reduce the cost? I think you've joined the wrong forum, as that type of behaviour isn't tolerated on here. If you can't afford to modify your car, don't modify it.
58. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #58 8th January 2009, 17:23

    well said toad
59. vtsRob Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Southampton Posts: 257 2002 Honda Integra DC5 Import

    #59 8th January 2009, 18:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 if youd read the thread m8 you would of seen that im only 20 with no noclaims and 6 points! hahha thats were the big quotes come in and as for most saying drop the s lump in, with mods i have declared it didnt shift much however with cams and a map i wnt have to declare as the ins comp wont be stripping my engine and gettin a mapper into my ecu to find out will they, but if i drop ans lump in its a tad different loking to an 8 valve for any poilceman or insurance company to notice isnt it.

    People like you who make insurance expensive for us!!!
    
    If you ha a crash and killed or injured somebody badly they will take apart and check EVERY nut and bolt to find you guilty and obviously your insurance WOULD BE INVALID no matter what you say YOUR breaking the law, yeah everyone breaks the law by doing 55 in a 50 but driving without valid insurance is what gives us genuine saxo drivers a bad name.
    
    also if you have 6 points you should have learnt your lesson, this will sound very harsh but im sure people will see where im coming from.......
    
    Just keep it as it is......Everything is legal, then buy a vts when you can afford it, its that simple.
60. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #60 8th January 2009, 18:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Roy-VTS silly statement i would spend it if i could lol

    not really 2.5K on just the engine, then still got to get it lowered, uprated brakes and whatever else you want.
61. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #61 8th January 2009, 18:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts so 400 quid for a vts engine, which has alot more potential than the 8v.

    £400 plus labour and new parts unlocking ecu etc.
62. user_15300 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Mansfield Posts: 6663 Astra Coupe Edition 100

    #62 8th January 2009, 18:34

    Your all going on about tuning the R/fitting an S lump... But did you read this post of his?...
    
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 been driving three years m8 but with no noclaims its jus too much for me to afford, 3 of my points come off this june so im going to get a vts when my ins on the r runs out in oct, i'll then be 21 and only have 3 points so it will drop quite substantially, also if not i can then go with a flux under my dad still as htey dont allow anyone on parents policies till 21

    Why not just wait till October then and put that money towards a VTS? Lol.
63. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

    #63 8th January 2009, 18:34

    tbh one for ther own on this, dasher your car sounds pretty good to me and you like it so who cares anyone els who has the balls to attempt a vts conversion ther selfs, fair play
64. user_15300 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Mansfield Posts: 6663 Astra Coupe Edition 100

    #64 8th January 2009, 18:40

    It's all down to personal preference anyway. I'll just keep wishing for a Sagaris lol. If i ever get one (which i doubt) i'll die a very happy man.
65. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #65 8th January 2009, 19:10

    exactly.
66. Slammed_Posi_Vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2006 Royal Tunbridge Wells y0 Posts: 2602 Icelandic VTR

    #66 8th January 2009, 20:19

    Shouldnt have declared the points
67. Dasher_VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2007 Swanley,Kent Posts: 866 saxo vtr

    #67 8th January 2009, 21:21

    you get blacklisted if they find out apparently.
68. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #68 9th January 2009, 19:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slammed_Posi_Vtr Shouldnt have declared the points

    
    like you yeah.