benifits of a mk2 over a mk1

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #1
    is there much difference between the mk1 vtr and the mk2 vtr ?? i know theres like a supposed extra 8bhp but apart from that is there any other gains off owning a mk2 over a mk1....
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS
    #2
    mk2 doesn't look as pants like the mk1 does
  3. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #3
    mark 2 is newer
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  4. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Farnham Posts: 317 MK2 VTR
    #4
    imo they look nicer than the mk1 and i liek the dials more, the mk1 doesnt have a "red light" for the petrol only disadvantage of the mk2 as far as i can see is that finding a aftermarket manifold for the mk2 is more dificult as the oil filter is in a pain in the arse place!
  5. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #5
    MK2 just looks nicer, and the extra 8 horses of course which is nice.
  6. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #6
    so really looks and performance are the only gains ? and looks is an opinion anyway lol
  7. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Farnham Posts: 317 MK2 VTR
    #7
    well yer really its the same shell and all that i think the running gear is the same bar the engine what else would be different?
  8. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #8
    yes but wouldnt you rather have an extra 8bhp standard? if you got a MK1 you could buy an induction kit and exhaust system and only be up to a 98bhp. all depends on what you want.
  9. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr-richie View Post
    imo they look nicer than the mk1 and i liek the dials more, the mk1 doesnt have a "red light" for the petrol
    Mine did.
  10. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #10
    cant you fit mk2 headlights and bonnet on a mk1 ?? think i read that on here somewhere.... and i wouldn say no to the extra 8bhp lol, but is it worth payin extra money on insurance and more money buyin the car just to get it ...
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    is there much difference between the mk1 vtr and the mk2 vtr ?? i know theres like a supposed extra 8bhp but apart from that is there any other gains off owning a mk2 over a mk1....
    search dude theres 100's of threads like this.
    people say the 8bhp difference doesnt show but i can honestly say it does.
    also i found the 98bhp gets better mpg.

    Down side of a later 98bhp mk2
    manifold issue because of oil filter location.
    Have to change manifold to de-cat. If buying new depending on exhaust its normally more expensive as the pipe is longer.
  12. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Farnham Posts: 317 MK2 VTR
    #12
    really... oh i though it didint eanywa
    8hp dude if you missed a service interval you would loose 8hp!
  13. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #13
    i did have a search but could really find the answer i was after so i thought i would ask
  14. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vtr-richie View Post
    really... oh i though it didint eanywa
    8hp dude if you missed a service interval you would loose 8hp!
    no you wouldnt, every car loses about 1bhp regardless of what condiction its kept in every year since it was made on average. yeah so lets say the 98bhp VTR lost a few hrosepower and only had 95bhp, well the MK1 VTR would have lost more because its older, and has less anyway, a standard 98bhp VTR will always be faster than a standard MK1 VTR.
  15. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    cant you fit mk2 headlights and bonnet on a mk1 ?? think i read that on here somewhere.... and i wouldn say no to the extra 8bhp lol, but is it worth payin extra money on insurance and more money buyin the car just to get it ...
    you can yes
    but you need to cut the front of the inner wings away to do it
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  16. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Farnham Posts: 317 MK2 VTR
    #16
    not unless you have a v reg mk2 with a mk1 engine !
  17. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    cant you fit mk2 headlights and bonnet on a mk1 ?? think i read that on here somewhere.... and i wouldn say no to the extra 8bhp lol, but is it worth payin extra money on insurance and more money buyin the car just to get it ...

    any pics of your 120bhp VTR anyway mate? what you got done to it?
  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS View Post
    you can yes
    but you need to cut the front of the inner wings away to do it

    is that a very hard job to do ?? cause imo the only thing i dont like about the mk1 is the bonnet and headlights.
  19. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #19
    so you like the smaller front citroen badge?
  20. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    any pics of your 120bhp VTR anyway mate? what you got done to it?

    ha i wish i had a 120bhp vtr !! lol... just the first name that came to mind when i signed up to here tbh lol. am going to aim for 120bhp if i do get a vtr thou
  21. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #21
    not really hard to convert the front just get an angle grinder on it
  22. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    so you like the smaller front citroen badge?
    smaller front citroen badge ?? not quite sure what you mean by that
  23. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #23
    why did you make your name " VTR-120BHP" if you havnt got 120bhp? thats liek me making ym user 200bhp-westie123? why?
  24. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #24
    the MK1s have a smaller front badge ( citroen one ) tan MK2s, and i dont like them.
  25. Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Herts Posts: 700 2001 VTR
    #25
    Do not overlook the emissions. Is the mk2 in a lower tax bandage?
  26. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    why did you make your name " VTR-120BHP" if you havnt got 120bhp? thats liek me making ym user 200bhp-westie123? why?

    well why is your name saxo_vtr123 whats 123 got to do with you or your car ?
  27. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #27
    nothing, but my name dossnt suggest that my car has more BHP than it actually does.
  28. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #28
    on the subject of names im alex vts

    yet own a 106 gti

    a names a name simple as
  29. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    nothing, but my name dossnt suggest that my car has more BHP than it actually does.
    where does my name say that "i own a saxo vtr that has 120bhp" ?? it doesnt its just a name not really no need to be throwin your toys out of the pram over it! cheers for the usefull input thou mate
  30. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS View Post
    on the subject of names im alex vts

    yet own a 106 gti

    a names a name simple as


    agreed !
  31. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #31
    alex did you own a VTS at the time when you joined the forum? and made your name. am tired to be arguing, i give in your right a names a name.
  32. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #32
    i did yes lol
  33. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Goodwrench View Post
    Do not overlook the emissions. Is the mk2 in a lower tax bandage?
    mk2 with the 98bhp engine is yes.

    registered after feb 2001 iirc used to be 120£ for the year on a mk2 with 98bhp

    Mk1 + mk2 with 90bhp engine is £198

    they may have changed slightly now.
  34. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    why did you make your name " VTR-120BHP" if you havnt got 120bhp? thats liek me making ym user 200bhp-westie123? why?
    its a user name, get over it
  35. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #35
    anyway back on topic.... if i was to do the same "tuning" to a mk1 and a mk2 say cams, induction and a decat would they have the same power figure ?? i know figures arnt everythink but its just easier for me to understand that way. cheers
  36. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #36
    no the mark 2 will still make a better figure
  37. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #37
    mk2 98bhp will make a slightly higher fiqure.
  38. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 bungay Posts: 188 cammed mk1 vts :b
    #38
    would it be a noticeable differnce when driving the car ?
  39. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #39
    depends on how much feel fr the car you have
  40. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #40
    if you where used to driving a 90bhp model then got in a 98bhp model you would probably notice a difference.
  41. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #41
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VTR-120BHP View Post
    would it be a noticeable differnce when driving the car ?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    if you where used to driving a 90bhp model then got in a 98bhp model you would probably notice a difference.
    tbh cant really feel the difference driving the two, well i didnt.
    Only noticed it when i did some timed drags that the 98bhp was faster.

    also did a standanding start with the two the 98bhp always pulled away a couple of car lenghs.

    Even swapped drivers to prove it wasnt driver error.

    But actually driving the car you dont really feel the difference between the two imo
  42. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Dundee Posts: 298 106 GTI
    #42
    if you were to drive a mk2 after a mk1 i think you would notice a slight difference, but off the line i dont think there would be any difference between the 2! all depends on the driver