track day wheels

1. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #1 9th January 2009, 22:08

   evenin all!
   
   anybody know which are the lightest/strongest/best wheels that will fit my vts?
   
   I'm after a spare set just for the track.
   
   Cheers
   
   Kev
2. Curran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 5387

   #2 9th January 2009, 22:09

   there are lots of lightweight wheels to choose from.
   
   compomotive
   team dynamics
   speedline
   etc
3. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #3 9th January 2009, 22:14

   i'm thinking along the lines of second hand steelies
   
   i.e. 205 gti or 106 rallye wheels?
   
   cheers
   kev
4. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #4 9th January 2009, 22:15

   personally if its just a second set for track id get c2 steelies
   bout 40 quid each from citroen new iirc
5. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #5 9th January 2009, 22:18

   will they be lighter than the standard vts alloys?
   
   I'm trying to reduce unsprung weight to aid accelleration (every little counts!)
   
   Cheers
   Kev
6. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

   #6 9th January 2009, 22:23

   205 gti wheels are alloys.
7. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #7 9th January 2009, 22:23

   the c2 steelies are very light
8. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

   #8 9th January 2009, 22:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by williamsvts 205 gti wheels are alloys.

   Good call - i wasn't sure!
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Alex-VTS the c2 steelies are very light

   Seems like a good bet. Do you know what size they are because i would like to fit toyo R888s
   
   Cheers
   Kev
9. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #9 9th January 2009, 22:32

   remeber on track its not just about light wheels but ones which give adequate cooling for brakes.
   
   No point in less unsprung weight if the brakes overheat in 2 laps
10. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #10 9th January 2009, 22:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan remeber on track its not just about light wheels but ones which give adequate cooling for brakes. No point in less unsprung weight if the brakes overheat in 2 laps

    Good point, however i'm on brembo drilled and vented discs with brembo pads so overheating shouldn't be a problem.
    
    Cheers
    Kev
11. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #11 9th January 2009, 22:40

    I beg to differ.
    
    With vts wheels, Mintex 1144s or 1155s im not sure which ones fag fitted on gti-6 calipers there was noticeable fade in my stints at brands. There are different compounds to brakes, just becasue they are brembo it doesnt mean they are stable at high temperatures espec if they are a road pad and disc
    
    hence why im using comp Mos now
12. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #12 9th January 2009, 22:42

    venting ryan
    ill be losing my fogs for some if i end up with some enclosed wheels
13. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #13 9th January 2009, 22:44

    alex you think the fogs are still there on the car>
14. RAFkev Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 Wirral Posts: 2198

    #14 9th January 2009, 22:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan I beg to differ. With vts wheels, Mintex 1144s or 1155s im not sure which ones fag fitted on gti-6 calipers there was noticeable fade in my stints at brands. There are different compounds to brakes, just becasue they are brembo it doesnt mean they are stable at high temperatures espec if they are a road pad and disc hence why im using comp Mos now

    ah right - i've never not had vts wheels on so i cant argue.
    
    erm... comp Mos? Whats this?
    
    Cheers
    Kev
15. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #15 9th January 2009, 22:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan alex you think the fogs are still there on the car>

    no they arent i know this
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RAFkev ah right - i've never not had vts wheels on so i cant argue. erm... comp Mos? Whats this? Cheers Kev

    comp mos are a 5 spoke motorsport wheel
    
    as seen on my 106 below
    
16. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #16 9th January 2009, 22:48

    compomotive mos.
    
    they are my new wheels although i need to rape the R888s on my vts wheels fully before they move on. They have alot more open space betrween spokes for airflow, and generally have a bigger space between the face and the brake caliper aswell (hence why my 4pots are being fitted to this one)
    
    It was very noticable they were getting hot and not working as well late on in the stints.
    
    Ive seen it with others running closed steelies complaining of poor airflow to the brakes and excess heat build up.
17. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #17 9th January 2009, 22:48

    205 gti alloys are not light nor are the compomotive MO's which are more for the rally market. Speedline do the 2017 which is a reasonable weight.
    The C5 has some 15" alloys that are really light and look like steel wheels. I'd have thought though that you will need some good suspension and pad compound to cope with the heat, but it will be better at conducting heat than steel though airflow could be a problem. There are some good pads that can help though...
    
    kev
18. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #18 9th January 2009, 22:52

    mos are indeed heavy kam.
    
    Although I love them, Speaking to the guy from motorsportspares or wtf his site is was saying how the TD wheels the metal compound used has been known to bend under massive impact, where as something like the comp MO is known to shatter the spoke itself.
19. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #19 9th January 2009, 22:54

    mos can take some abuse tbh
    
    mine took a pretty big hit at mallory in the gravel (enough to shatter both hub bearings that side of the car and there still straight
20. Dibz Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 240 106 GTi

    #20 10th January 2009, 00:41

    Ultimate track wheels have gotta be ultraleggera's. in 15's they weigh something like 4.9kg's! but there not cheap (£500)
    
    Cheap thrills its gotta be second hand set of TD pro race 1.2's. Can be had new for £300 and there about 6kg's in 15's...
21. Jackman Saxperience Addict Joined: Sep 2006 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 11234 iTB 205 Rallye, 205 STDT.

    #21 10th January 2009, 00:45

    C5 are probably the slightest steel, but cooling is a issue as stated!
    
    I've been told about the heat issue with my Rallye Steels!
22. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #22 10th January 2009, 11:42

    ultraleggeras are my plan for my vts
    
    good light wheel but very expensive