Keeping ABS But Running Bias Valve Along Side EBD

  1. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #1
    Would i be able to run a Bias Valve for the rear although i have EBD?
    I understand that the 3 plugs have this, i dont have the bias valve that sits on the axle.

    Got 4pots and it nose dives a bit so could do with some more braking on the rear.

    Had a search around and looks like you can get the bias valve with the 2 inlets and outs lets.
  2. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #2
    Just did a quick search i can place the bias valve from the master cylinder before it hits the abs unit.
    Which would work.

    But not too sure if the EBD would over power it?



    P.S if you do it that way, you put the valve on the front line, and tone down the front braking as apose to the rears.

    Cant see why it wouldnt work but still unsude on the EBD???
  3. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Newcastle Posts: 1570 mk2 saxo vts vw bora turbo 106 gti
    #3
    that mod will be out tonight dude but may have to go to falmouth today
    al let you know. if not today defo tomorrow
  4. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #4
    Steve, I'll be taking my car to a garage in a few weeks time, where they'll be taking out all my ABS parts, re-doing the brake lines, and installing a bias valve. We've discussed it in depth, and it's looking good. The EBD is a shit, and I would get it out if I were you. Causing me no end of hassle, as it's always trying to alter the braking force for the worst.

    In theory, the bias valve won't work in conjuction with the EBD, but I need to know more about how the EBD actually works before I could say for certain.
  5. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jim333 View Post
    that mod will be out tonight dude but may have to go to falmouth today
    al let you know. if not today defo tomorrow
    already spoke to Stephen.
    His wont work with mine as i have EBD he didnt.
  6. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #6
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    Steve, I'll be taking my car to a garage in a few weeks time, where they'll be taking out all my ABS parts, re-doing the brake lines, and installing a bias valve. We've discussed it in depth, and it's looking good. The EBD is a shit, and I would get it out if I were you. Causing me no end of hassle, as it's always trying to alter the braking force for the worst.

    In theory, the bias valve won't work in conjuction with the EBD, but I need to know more about how the EBD actually works before I could say for certain.
    Yeah i was thinking the same, but leaving it in so far as not sure if al be keeping the car forever.

    All the bias valve would do on the front, is reduce the pressure, giving max pressure to teh rear still, so in theory the rears should kick in harsher than before.

    But with the EBD am not sure if it would work.
    Can you not disable the EBD? i.e a fuse or something?
    or disconnect it? but then you would be disconnecting your ABS sensors aswel i guess.

    You would think with the EBD it would do its job and send more braking to the rear.
    Suppose a fucked ABS sensor may not be helping? As i would gather they would need to be working to alter the EBD?


    *note please people dont start posting "just take your abs out* as thats not the point of the thread.
    I already know i can take it out but wanted to try this first.


    Also on another note where is cheapest to buy brake line from?
  7. Established Member Joined: May 2007 Newcastle Posts: 1570 mk2 saxo vts vw bora turbo 106 gti
    #7
    just take your abs out!!! lol
  8. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jim333 View Post
    just take your abs out!!! lol
    humerous
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #9
    Just done some reading, as i thought it would help if my ABS sensors worked lol
    It uses them to calculate the speed and alter the pressure that is send through the brake lines.
    Still need to find which is broke and then i will report back.
  10. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #10
    personally it all looks a bit too complex
    bit too much that could easily go wrong
    one of the first few things ill be doing to my track car is abs in the bin and new lines (for temporary measure i have lines off a 1.1)
    then ill sort proper bias valve ect after a few months
  11. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #11
    very complex it is Alex.

    as williams said in a text and i agree, cant see putting a bias valve in front of the ABS unit working tbh.

    Going to sort my abs sensors.

    See what happens.

    All the EBD is, is an electronic replacement for the little sprint bias valve on the rear axle.
    Uses a bit of software to calulate wheel speeds (using the ABS sensors) and decrease or increases pressure where ever needed.
    So in theory it should decrease the pressure going to the front wheels, although i doubt it will be the case.
  12. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #12
    them things on the rear axle piss me off
    both of em ive had to adjust (after lowering) have been right fuckers

    imo non abs and a good bias valve is a better option (i like to keep stuf simple)
  13. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS View Post
    them things on the rear axle piss me off
    both of em ive had to adjust (after lowering) have been right fuckers

    imo non abs and a good bias valve is a better option (i like to keep stuf simple)
    i dont have one of those shit things on the axle but at this point i wish i did lol

    Yeah it would make it easier, but al see what happens when i fix my abs.
    CBA to take it out if i am honest.

    Wheres cheapest to get new brake line encase i ever decide to take that route.
  14. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #14
    i dunno i got mine off my old car lol

    it is a right pain to remove the abs
    but my motors coming out to swap to non pas and stuff straight away so ill do it all then
  15. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #15
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alex-VTS View Post
    i dunno i got mine off my old car lol

    it is a right pain to remove the abs
    but my motors coming out to swap to non pas and stuff straight away so ill do it all then
    lol

    al see what happens and report back
  16. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #16
    will be a whie before i do it as i gotta get the car and its off for its cage before anyting else

    but we shall see what happens
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #17
    just stop being a fag ive told you what to do.
    scrap abs and ebd. get a reel of copper brake pipe, bias valve and 2 t-pieces. sorted.

    thats what im doing to mine after the gearbox is in and the PAS rack is out.
  18. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    just stop being a fag ive told you what to do.
    scrap abs and ebd. get a reel of copper brake pipe, bias valve and 2 t-pieces. sorted.

    thats what im doing to mine after the gearbox is in and the PAS rack is out.
    Quote:
    *note please people dont start posting "just take your abs out* as thats not the point of the thread.
    I already know i can take it out but wanted to try this first.
    lol

    That boni on ssc rekons it wouldnt get cancelled out putting a bias valve in afterwards.
    I thought it would?

    Shit how its only cars from 2002 onwards have them, aparantly most 2001's dont have them was only an official safety feature for cars 2002 onwards
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    just stop being a fag ive told you what to do.
    scrap abs and ebd. get a reel of copper brake pipe, bias valve and 2 t-pieces. sorted.

    thats what im doing to mine after the gearbox is in and the PAS rack is out.
    PAS out? Williams, you've got strong arms, you beefcake you...
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS View Post
    lol

    That boni on ssc rekons it wouldnt get cancelled out putting a bias valve in afterwards.
    I thought it would?

    Shit how its only cars from 2002 onwards have them, aparantly most 2001's dont have them was only an official safety feature for cars 2002 onwards
    Stop moaning and do as beefcake tells you...
  21. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Toad View Post
    PAS out? Williams, you've got strong arms, you beefcake you...
    non pas isnt too bad
    i had my convwerted 1.1 with no pas
    my gti basically doesnt have it half the time either
    i preferred the feedback on non pas it felt better imo
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #22
    Interesting. My assumption was that it would be pretty tough. Gotcha about the feedback, makes sense.
  23. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #23
    its not bad unless your stationary tbh

    maybe one time when ive got my track car runinng you can give it a try
    one of the first thiongs im doing is fitting a 1.1 rack to ditch all the pas stuff
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #24
    Excellent, nice one bud.
  25. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #25
    wont be for a while but if i remember your more than welcome assuming you fit lol
    seats will be on welded rails and got a climbing frame to get through to get in lol
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #26
    As long as the buckets are wide enough, lol. Had a ride in Danny's 106 and my fecking arse was killing me.
  27. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #27
    haha hes got corbas ent he?
    im looking at either recaros (not first choice but may be free)
    or omp pistas

    i find them both prety comfy tbh
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #28
    The recaro's I have are the best seats I have ever sat in. Seriously...
  29. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #29
    best ive sat in atm are my omps in my 106
    there recliners though lol
    best fixed are the pistas imo
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #30
    Recaro's are really light too...
  31. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #31
    indeed they are lol
    the pistas not a heavy weight seat though

    i need light stuff to compensate for my cage lol
  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #32
    having a non pas rack isnt as heavy as a pas rack thats not working.
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #33
    Still nervous... Hehe
  34. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #34
    it's fine lol
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Reading Posts: 8980 French tin can
    #35
    I think I posted in the wrong thread...