nos on a civic type R

15th January 2009, 16:03

i no this is not a saxo but im just trying to help a mate out.
basically hese got a civic type R and hese getting nos for it but as been quoted £450.00 to install it from wizard of nos wich seems expensive.
does anyone no where he could get it done any cheaper or could anyone on here install it for a price.
thanks

15th January 2009, 16:04

think thats cheap tbh.

15th January 2009, 16:06

15th January 2009, 16:06

thats a good price, the qoutes were like £500 about 5 years ago from WON and NOS.

15th January 2009, 16:06

i just dont think he wants to pay that much as the kits only costing him £480.00 + vat lol

15th January 2009, 16:07

That's about the right price including everything iirc.

15th January 2009, 16:08

ferg

quality pictures mate lol

15th January 2009, 16:08

£480 + VAT is around the mark hes been qouted for, no offence but i dont see the problem in that.

15th January 2009, 16:10

he sees it as a problem as its not far off the price of the kit, to get it fitted

15th January 2009, 16:58

You mean its 480 for the kit, then 450 for fitting?

Well there's fitting/securing the tank, running the pipes, fitting the solenoids, then wiring the master switch in, then wiring the microswitch as well, bearing in mind if he wants the master switch fitting to the dash, it'll be a dash out to get the wiring in then I'd say that aint a bad price tbh.

15th January 2009, 17:17

yes 480 plus vat for the kit then a extra 450.00 on top to install it

15th January 2009, 17:19

Sell the car to pay for the fitting lolz. iJoke

15th January 2009, 17:20

Sounds like your mate wont even be able to fill the tank each time.
Poor people shouldnt use nitrous.

And is he going to declare it on the insurance?
Thats more mega bucks too.

15th January 2009, 17:22

he can afford it but i wouldnt want to pay that sort of money for fitting.

15th January 2009, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrem

Sounds like your mate wont even be able to fill the tank each time.
Poor people shouldnt use nitrous.

And is he going to declare it on the insurance?
Thats more mega bucks too.

It would cost a bomb wouldnt it ??

15th January 2009, 17:24

if he cant afford to get it installed how can he afford to keep going through bottles of the stuff?

For the money mayswel get some spunky spunk spunk skunk camshafts and a remap.

15th January 2009, 17:24

defo would not be cheap

15th January 2009, 17:25

as said above he can afford it just dosent want to pay what there charging for fitting wich i agree

15th January 2009, 17:27

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Originally Posted by ldavies

he can afford it but i wouldnt want to pay that sort of money for fitting.

It's not your car is it.
So, let your mate decide what his wages go on then.

Refills aren't as bad as people make out:
£20.75 + £8.50 Courier Delivery

15th January 2009, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

as said above he can afford it just dosent want to pay what there charging for fitting wich i agree

be better off getting the camshafts and remap anyway imo.

Didnt think people were still bothering with nitrous systems these days.
Thought it had died out alongside neon lights.

15th January 2009, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrem

It's not your car is it.
So, let your mate decide what his wages go on then.

Refills aren't as bad as people make out:
£20.75 + £8.50 Courier Delivery

how long does a bottle last though?

15th January 2009, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

be better off getting the camshafts and remap anyway imo.

Didnt think people were still bothering with nitrous systems these days.
Thought it had died out alongside neon lights.

Not while people think that its still lega.
4 Fast 4 Furious is out soon. greeeeeeeeeeeat

15th January 2009, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by djrem

Not while people think that its still lega.
4 Fast 4 Furious is out soon. greeeeeeeeeeeat

thats another thing, you have to have it turned off when driving on public roads.

And also have to have a ghey sticker to say your carrying nitrous on board.
Similar to the green sticker ambulance's have saying the are carrying oxygen etc.

15th January 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

how long does a bottle last though?

Depends how long you hold Circle iirc...

15th January 2009, 17:30

5lb bottle 20.00 to refill and 11lb bottle about 40.00 iirc.
5lb bottle lasts about 8mins i was told.

15th January 2009, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

5lb bottle 20.00 to refill and 11lb bottle about 40.00 iirc.
5lb bottle lasts about 8mins i was told.

so basically £1000 for 8 minutes of additional fun

sensible option is the skunk camshafts and remap yo!
no time limit unless your engine blows, but they are reliable engines.

15th January 2009, 17:33

told him to get it re mapped etc but hese not bothered about that just wants the nos and also wants to upgrade to better brakes.

15th January 2009, 17:34

also now that fast and the furious 4 is out this year i think it will make nos more popular to people.

15th January 2009, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

told him to get it re mapped etc but hese not bothered about that just wants the nos and also wants to upgrade to better brakes.

well then hes wasting his money imo.

how often does he plan on topping his nos up?
he just wanting it so he can blat off from people on the motorway?
Limits only 70mph

or is he actually going to get his moneys worth out of it?

could run it on a progressive system i suppose but still better changing the camshafts imo

15th January 2009, 17:37

no idea mate just told him i would mention it on here and see if any one could get it installed any cheaper than what hese been quoted.

15th January 2009, 17:43

Thats expemsive just to install! Ive done it before with a mate, its really not that hard, even a simple sod like myself can do it!

15th January 2009, 17:47

finally some one that agrees with me that it is expensive to install it.
did you put the nos on a saxo what you did.

15th January 2009, 18:03

Na, was put into an old VW Golf Rallye! Im sure its the same sort of job into a saxo too!

15th January 2009, 18:51

Depends what kit it is. Do a bit research and fit it with him? Doesnt seem the most complicated thing in the world, just takes time.

15th January 2009, 18:53

any idea how long it would take to install it roughly.

15th January 2009, 19:00

Couple of hours tops and that inclueds setting up and testing!

15th January 2009, 19:26

"just wants NOS" Sounds like a nob imo..

15th January 2009, 19:32

8 mins is quite a while u get up in to 5th hold it for like 5 - 10 secconds ur on the limiter maxed out lol

kieran.

15th January 2009, 19:38

i told him to get cams and a re map to gain extra performance but he thinks that for the price of cams and a re map he could just buy the nos and gain more with that. lol

15th January 2009, 19:41

Tell him he wont be thinking that when hes got to pay silly money for refill! Soon adds up, and there not cheap these days! Used to be £30 for a 5lb fill up, now its double!

15th January 2009, 19:43

£20.00 to fill up a 5lb bottle now mate

15th January 2009, 19:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

£20.00 to fill up a 5lb bottle now mate

Where the hell u getting that from? Meh, i thought it went up, not down!

15th January 2009, 19:49

from the guy that works for wizard of nos.
me and me mate who has the type R went in last friday so he could enquire about it and thats the price it is.

15th January 2009, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

be better off getting the camshafts and remap anyway imo.

Didnt think people were still bothering with nitrous systems these days.
Thought it had died out alongside neon lights.

will make a standard vts a 13 second car

15th January 2009, 19:50

Oh right, my mate bought from a seperate dealer, not straight from "WON"

15th January 2009, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

i told him to get cams and a re map to gain extra performance but he thinks that for the price of cams and a re map he could just buy the nos and gain more with that. lol

for like 10minutes or whatever at the cost of £30 a go.

imo sounds like he just wants to have NOS so he can say ooooo i have NOS.

Get the kit, tell him to fit it himself.
See what happens

Guarentee, he will be gutted if hes racing a cammed up Ep3 Type R that will then come by him when hes fried the piston rings yo!

How much of the stuff is he planning on running when he presses the olde button anyway?
Probably get left off a camemd up R anyway off the start, catch him with the olde spray then the cammed up R will pull away again once hes used all his spray.

Is he litterally just thinking bolt it on and go?
Its not a cost effective road legal mod. (as its illegal iirc)

Only reason i could see the point of it, is simply for drag racing.
Or on track with a progressive controller, but then it will run out. And again a cammed up R will more than likely still be faster.

Its not about having ago, its more of, has he actually thought about what he is spending his money on?

15th January 2009, 20:03

agree lol.
hese planning on getting a 100 shot wich will be an extra 100bhp but there is the problem of traction, ie wheel spinning.
they sell something called a mini max and a max extreme wich is suppose to help with the wheel spin for the nos but there quite pricey so its going to add up a lot.

15th January 2009, 20:05

personally as mentioned above i would go for the cams and re map as well as the induction kit he already as on it but dosent want that.

15th January 2009, 20:06

mbautomotive fitted it for me for 275. if u want his number pm me n ill give u it. its great fun to start off with but gets expensive at £5 a lb.filled up 3 timeshad fun went on youtube and atched some nitrous explosions and stripped it out. so can be fun, expensive and blow your car to pieces. wouldnt advise it.

15th January 2009, 20:06

for the price of fitting the nos and buying the kit.

Can get skunk stage 2 cams, remap and launch control iirc.

15th January 2009, 20:11

i sold the nitrous kit on ebay made 500 so lost about 450 and got some cams exhaust manifold filter etc and still enjoy it just as much and ent gt the worry of blowin my car and myself up.

15th January 2009, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

agree lol.
hese planning on getting a 100 shot wich will be an extra 100bhp but there is the problem of traction, ie wheel spinning.
they sell something called a mini max and a max extreme wich is suppose to help with the wheel spin for the nos but there quite pricey so its going to add up a lot.

Without sounding like too much of a know it all twat a 100 shot of nos only gives you 80bhp!

15th January 2009, 20:18

i thought i'd clear a few things up for you all, i've got nitrous on my vts, WON kit with an 11lb bottle

1. It isn't illegal. I got stopped by the police and they called a traffic officer to where they had pulled me because they weren't happy about the nitrous, when the traffic officer got there he confirmed that it was not illegal to have it fitted to the car nor was it illegal to use it on a public road as long as it was used *and i quote* ''sensibly''. e.g for safer overtaking etc.

2. Insurance companies allow you to declare it for about a 15% increase on you policy on the basis that you run a 25bhp shot, the premium increses with the bigger shots. However, a lot of insurance companies don't want to know.

3. A full 11lb bottle with a 50bhp shot lasts 4 minutes. With a 25bhp shot it will last 8 minutes. If you are using a 5lb bottle obviously it will last less than half of these times.

4. Having the sticker on the back is advised but isn't the law untill you are carrying so much of the stuff.

5. Nitrous is the cheapest way to get a BIG power gain, a civic type r will easily take a 50bhp shot and i would have thought will take a much bigger shot but don't know for fact. How much would it cost to get 50bhp in other ways?

My opinion on nitrous: Its great fun until it runs out and you have to pay for a refill, that gets annoying because you can easily drain an 11lb bottle in a week or if you got out every day it will probably only last 2-3 days.

I hope this can clear a few things up for you, if anybody does not agree with what i've put please feel free to correct me as the legal side of things i'm just repeating what a traffic officer told me and he could be wrong thus making me wrong.

I could go on for longer but i'm even boring myself now so well done if you got this far

15th January 2009, 20:21

the irony kills

15th January 2009, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee

Without sounding like too much of a know it all twat a 100 shot of nos only gives you 80bhp!

i don't know where you get your figures but with the wizards of nos kit a number 100 jet in the nitrous gives you a 50bhp shot.

for a 100bhp shot that would require a 200 jet in the nitrous and a 100 jet in the fuel as a general guide.

15th January 2009, 20:22

peebee - im just going on what i was told not got nos myself or plan on getting it so dont really no much about it and dont plan on knowing everything on it.

15th January 2009, 20:23

re post. sorry

15th January 2009, 20:24

ok my bad you must be right as youve had nos so thanks for clearing that 1 up.

15th January 2009, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

i thought i'd clear a few things up for you all, i've got nitrous on my vts, WON kit with an 11lb bottle

1. It isn't illegal. I got stopped by the police and they called a traffic officer to where they had pulled me because they weren't happy about the nitrous, when the traffic officer got there he confirmed that it was not illegal to have it fitted to the car nor was it illegal to use it on a public road as long as it was used *and i quote* ''sensibly''. e.g for safer overtaking etc.

Do you have a sticker on your car to say you are carrying nitrous oxide?
And have you informed your insurance company? < A MAIN POINT FOR YOUR FRIEND TO CONSIDER
15% increase is alot especially if he is already paying a high price.

EDIT: just read the thing about the sticker.

Also google results regarding nitrous and uk law bring up such results.

Quote:

If you have converted your engine to one that uses Nitrous Oxide, you must not drive it on a public road. You can have a bottle in the car, but it must not appear to be ready for use.

15th January 2009, 20:25

completely agree with maddison a ctr wil take over a 50 shot and 100 shot isnt 100 bhp. i had a drilled 200 in the nitrous and a drilled 100 in the fuel and the saxo was awsum just gets expensive.

15th January 2009, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

i don't know where you get your figures but with the wizards of nos kit a number 100 jet in the nitrous gives you a 50bhp shot.

for a 100bhp shot that would require a 200 jet in the nitrous and a 100 jet in the fuel as a general guide.

Obviously not accurate figures then, "hands up" my bad, i was led to believe it was 80bhp!

15th January 2009, 20:28

me too.
there a lot to it imo and a lot to take in lol

15th January 2009, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

Do you have a sticker on your car to say you are carrying nitrous oxide?
And have you informed your insurance company?

Also google results regarding nitrous and uk law bring up such results.

no i don't have a sticker on my car, i intend to get one though.

yes i have informed my insurance company, it increased the policy by £98.

as i said, i got told by a traffic officer that it is legal to use it on the road and the insurance company said the same. If this is incorrect i'm sorry, i'm just repeating what i've been told.

15th January 2009, 20:35

Arguing about nos

come on dudes, they use it on the fast and furious public roads

15th January 2009, 20:38

awaits, "need help for a friend" my mates honda civic jus hooked up with 2 huge ass bottles of noz pressed the button and boom a huge ass firball, Vtec No!

15th January 2009, 20:39

there is a fair bit to it but once you get your head around the basics, it all begins to make sense.
there is a lot of bullsh1t floating around about nitrous, a lot of which is due to 'the fast and the furious'. It isn't anywhere near as dangerous as people make out!

also, as far as fitting is concerned £450 is a little steep, however it could be a bit more of a pain to do on a ctr compared to a saxo and also at least if it is fitted by WON it will be done 100% spot on and you can always go back to them if a problem occurs.

15th January 2009, 20:40

each to there own i suppose.

15th January 2009, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1.1i

Arguing about nos

:

there's no arguing going on, he's questioning what i put which is fine, as i said, if anybody thinks i'm wrong then say so.

15th January 2009, 20:42

will just get beat by a nova anyway
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PV-L_viqTDs

15th January 2009, 20:43

vtstob

well thanks to everyone for there comments and a bit more info on this.
thanks to vtstob for the number of someone that can install it cheaper than 450.00.
well got what i needed so cheers again

15th January 2009, 20:47

steve_vts

a lad round my way had a nova just like that.
was 350bhp.
couldnt afford to insure had it at a mates house and got nicked.
no insurance goodbye nova.

15th January 2009, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

there's no arguing going on, he's questioning what i put which is fine, as i said, if anybody thinks i'm wrong then say so.

ok

seemed like it to me

update us with the nos yo!

15th January 2009, 20:48

just happy i can help

15th January 2009, 20:57

he he if were going all fast nd furiouse 100shot of nos will blow the welds on the intake

lol

15th January 2009, 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieranc07

he he if were going all fast nd furiouse 100shot of nos will blow the welds on the intake

lol

"was that me, double clucthing like you should, your lucky a 100 shot of nos didnt blow the welds on the intake" get it right man!

p.s sorry dudes

15th January 2009, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_1.1i

"was that me, double clucthing like you should, your lucky a 100 shot of nos didnt blow the welds on the intake"

p.s sorry dudes

yeh, but just tell the laptop to shut up, and close it

Problems solved

Adz

15th January 2009, 21:24

your 1.1s ent got enough power to blow the welds on the intakes boys. lol

15th January 2009, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtstob

your 1.1s ent got enough power to blow the welds on the intakes boys. lol

it has

15th January 2009, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldavies

yes 480 plus vat for the kit then a extra 450.00 on top to install it

Why do not you install the nitrous kit? I install my kit by my self. It is not difficult if you have user manual, and if you don't I will help you.

16th January 2009, 01:42

Remember helping a friend set his up on his old Civic, and all he had to do was sort the microswitch (WON had done the rest) and that was a bastard, finding somewhere stable on the throttle so it was activated at full throttle, without it moving.
Was a 25 shot I think and knocked just short of a second off his 0-60 (timed by a stopwatch lol), but that was 'back in the day', literally when 2f2f had just come out.

So it seems a worthy thing to spend money on, but only after cams etc, when there's not many other ways to get more power, IMO.

16th January 2009, 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by titchster

Remember helping a friend set his up on his old Civic, and all he had to do was sort the microswitch (WON had done the rest) and that was a bastard, finding somewhere stable on the throttle so it was activated at full throttle, without it moving.
Was a 25 shot I think and knocked just short of a second off his 0-60 (timed by a stopwatch lol), but that was 'back in the day', literally when 2f2f had just come out.

So it seems a worthy thing to spend money on, but only after cams etc, when there's not many other ways to get more power, IMO.

I agree, but I also think that Nitrous tuning is different than the Turbo tuning or NA tuning.