Furio to VTR spec?

20th January 2009, 13:25

Just out of interest..

What's needed to get a Furio to around 90-100bhp (Near enough to VTR spec) whilst keeping the same Furio engine?

Standard Furio engine is 75bhp so is it easy to do? Expensive?

Just curious..

Thanks

20th January 2009, 13:27

usual breathing mods, + cams and a remap might see 95bhp depending on what ype of cam.

you could also strip it out aswell.

so:

manifold, exhaust system, induction kit, decat, cams, and a remap, maybe a little bit of strippage.

20th January 2009, 13:33

How much bhp would basic mods give? Like full BTB/Magnex exhaust system, best type of filter and other "breathing" mods?

Wouldn't really be looking to cam.. to expensive, especially for a Furio..

20th January 2009, 13:34

just the breathing mods no more than 10bhp am afraid.

20th January 2009, 13:36

Alright man, 10 is better than nothing...

What breathing mods you recommend? Got a link to any? Appreciated.. Thanks

20th January 2009, 13:40

kam racing

janspeed, supersprint or raceland if you on a tighter budget < manifold

BMC CDA, Pipercross viper, K and N gen2 or raceland is good for money < induction

magnex, supersprint race stystem, OMP system all teh same sportex if you on a tight budget < exhaust system.

and just any decat. type into google kam racing

hope this helps.

20th January 2009, 13:41

Raceland Enclosed + Green/BMC CDA Induction Kit

Supersprint Manifold
Superspint Decat Race Pipe
Supersprint Race Backbox

(These will give car a nice rasp) May take you up to around 85-87 BHP, not bad for a couple hundred quid.

20th January 2009, 13:44

dan you havnt taken into consideration what kind of budjet he is on.

20th January 2009, 13:45

Cheers to both of you..

I'll take a look and bear it in mind

20th January 2009, 13:46

Is "Raceland Enclosed + Green/BMC CDA Induction Kit" the best induction kit to get?

20th January 2009, 13:49

BMC CDA is considered one of the best, but its quite expensive, id jsut go with the raceland. best of both worlds, cheapish and give roughly the same results.

20th January 2009, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

BMC CDA is considered one of the best, but its quite expensive, id jsut go with the raceland. best of both worlds, cheapish and give roughly the same results.

Ah right ok..

So you'd go for this? http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...r-vts-141.html

Still quite pricy isn't it?

20th January 2009, 13:56

its cheap compared to £180 mate, and if you buy premium membership on here for £10 you can get a discount and you get the raceland for around £60 - £70, check in club discounts on kam racing mate. but its the best for under £100 definetly.

20th January 2009, 13:59

Alright, cheers for your help mate.. I take it that there is a place on kam's website to state you are a member on here?

What will the kit give? 5bhp??

Thanks again

p.s. that one will fit a furio won't it? as it just says vtr/s

20th January 2009, 14:03

i think it will fit eh furio but am not 100% have a look around on here, and yeah you jsut state your user name whne you pay for it.

P.S - if your gonna buy one do it soon KAM RACING wont be selling them much longer, soona s there stock runs out there stopping sale, stupid i know, so it ya getting one get it quick.

20th January 2009, 14:06

oh yeah maybe 5bhp but not much, 5bhp maximum, more likely 3bhp-4bhp so not much but it all adds up and this is a good basline to start at, also it will make a nice induction noise. hope av been a help.

20th January 2009, 14:11

Yeah you have mate.. Nice one. Thanks

22nd January 2009, 13:16

Okay... I've got a VTS cone air filter and that's it... I've got family who've got mechanics tools readily available, including the computers for remapping.
Is it worth losing MPG for the performance gains??

22nd January 2009, 13:30

I dont want to put a downer on anything because different engines react differently to mods but on my mk2 furio i had:

janspeed mani
supersprint exhaust system
Raceland induction kit with green filter

and on the rollers mine only made 74bhp/100lbs torque at the fly so dont get your hopes up to high about getting 10 or so bhp from those mods but i did get a massive boost in toque which is what its realy about

, one thing i will say though is that when i put my standard manifold back it did feel alot quicker maybe there wasnt enough back pressure for the lil 1.4 8v

22nd January 2009, 13:31

my is suposidly 91BHP with green enclosed, manifold, decat and full exhaust system.....not sure i believe that one bit though lol

22nd January 2009, 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz

my is suposidly 91BHP with green enclosed, manifold, decat and full exhaust system.....not sure i believe that one bit though lol

could do, Nick_106 off here made 89bhp i think with those mods on a quiksilver

22nd January 2009, 14:55

Be very skeptical about "performance" products..

Half of them are absolute shite and do nothing/lose you power..If your not going to cam it, standard exhausts and airbox's are fine, although you may gain 3 or 4bhp on a RR..It wont notice when driving..

22nd January 2009, 14:58

Also, if you must get an airfilter and exhaust for the noise or to support future modifications, i wouldnt put anything other than ITG near my car as an induction kit and would only use Magnex or Supersprint for an exhaust..

22nd January 2009, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj_99

I dont want to put a downer on anything because different engines react differently to mods but on my mk2 furio i had:

janspeed mani
supersprint exhaust system
Raceland induction kit with green filter

and on the rollers mine only made 74bhp/100lbs torque at the fly so dont get your hopes up to high about getting 10 or so bhp from those mods but i did get a massive boost in toque which is what its realy about

, one thing i will say though is that when i put my standard manifold back it did feel alot quicker maybe there wasnt enough back pressure for the lil 1.4 8v

but what condiction is your engine in? it it quite old? got a lot of miles? was the manifold or induction etc ill fitting, there is too mcuh that can determine how much power modifications make.

22nd January 2009, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

but what condiction is your engine in? it it quite old? got a lot of miles? was the manifold or induction etc ill fitting, there is too mcuh that can determine how much power modifications make.

2002 with 42,000 miles on it owned by my nan before serviced reguarly at citroen main dealer,

Yeah thats why im saying dont get ur hopes up with getting 10bhp with those mods

22nd January 2009, 15:24

i said no more than 10bhp, meaning thats the best possible outcome, and stripp it out aswell.

22nd January 2009, 16:05

well mine was 79.8 with no mods (westocast) so i imagine abit more now. Also JP used to have a westocast engine and that was over 80 irc with exhaust and induciotn.

24th January 2009, 01:11

Well... I think I'll drop in a Peugeot 306Gti 2Litre 16Valve tubroed engine and kick all your asses. LOL.
I fuckin' wish! xD

24th January 2009, 03:56

Induction, manifold, decat, VTR inlet & injectors and a Kent 266 cam made 94/96(?)bhp on 106oc chairman's engine, which was then sold to a mate of mine and did quite happily pass a VTR, with a remap it'd have been probably a little closer to 100bhp.

25th January 2009, 12:55

Didn't realise all these people had posted!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaRiO89

Also, if you must get an airfilter and exhaust for the noise or to support future modifications, i wouldnt put anything other than ITG near my car as an induction kit and would only use Magnex or Supersprint for an exhaust..

ITG? never heard of them, do you have a link?

Was thinking of getting Magnex or BTB, but BTB's are pricey..

Isn't BMC a good airfilter to get?

Anyone tell me the difference between these performance wise?

Or is it just the looks that put the price up?

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen-s...-1-4-8v-5.html

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...arbon-164.html

Cheers.

25th January 2009, 13:34

yeah mate BMC are considered one of the best

and mate get the second one the CDA.

25th January 2009, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

yeah mate BMC are considered one of the best

and mate get the second one the CDA.

Thanks again mate..

Why is the second one better that the first one then?

25th January 2009, 13:49

yeah mate the second one is much better.

+ the first one is sold out.

25th January 2009, 14:00

Ok cool..

They're both sold out atm

Sure Kam will be getting more in though

25th January 2009, 14:04

loads of other places sell them mate, larkspeed, demon tweeks, loads of places sell them, just have a look around.

25th January 2009, 14:35

bmc have gone bust over in the uk so ive heard, many places are trying to deal direct with bmx from italy iirc.

25th January 2009, 14:36

could always try ebay mat, thers bound to be some on there.

25th January 2009, 14:40

just got a piper back box on my furio can't feel extra gains but it's deffo more responsive and nicer to drive to.

25th January 2009, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

could always try ebay mat, thers bound to be some on there.

Yeah, good shout.. Tried the two websites you said, couldn't find alot. Think I found one but was alot more ££..

I'll have to ask Kam if they are going to be getting more in but it looks unlikely..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy-Boy

just got a piper back box on my furio can't feel extra gains but it's deffo more responsive and nicer to drive to.

Sweet.. I would like a full BTB system but soo pricey..

Will probably go for Magnex as I don't want anything too loud..

I've heard Magnex is a really nice note at low revs... etc..

25th January 2009, 15:17

nobody has mentioned a panel filter yet about the same gains as an induction kit but only costs £40 and will not affect insurance. everyones a winner baby thats the truth.

and y dont u get a supersprint straight through centre then a standard vtr backbox. probs get both for £80

give it a good service if it hasnt had one for a while. to get it back up to the 75bhp to start with.

good luck anyway dude

25th January 2009, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by stingray1987

nobody has mentioned a panel filter yet about the same gains as an induction kit but only costs £40 and will not affect insurance. everyones a winner baby thats the truth.

and y dont u get a supersprint straight through centre then a standard vtr backbox. probs get both for £80

give it a good service if it hasnt had one for a while. to get it back up to the 75bhp to start with.

good luck anyway dude

I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to this tbh...
What's a panel filter? Can you have a induction kit aswell as a panel filter?

I've got a standard VTR/S backbox on my furio atm (pretty sure anyway) think previous owner must have put it on.. Looking to get a full magnex/BTB system thought tbh...power gains from full system will be more anyway surely?

Got MOT in march so giving it a full service then

25th January 2009, 15:58

tbf an induction kit will get you more of a gain than a panel filter, and no mate, you can only have 1 or the other. and echaust sytems and induction kits give about the same from 2-3 bhp each, have you thought of a manifold mate?

25th January 2009, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

tbf an induction kit will get you more of a gain than a panel filter, and no mate, you can only have 1 or the other. and echaust sytems and induction kits give about the same from 2-3 bhp each, have you thought of a manifold mate?

So it's better to get an induction kit and a full exhaust system then?

Can you give me a dictionairy definition of a "manifold" please?

Lol, I really don't know alot about engine/tuning etc..

Really appreciate all your help btw..

You would have 100 green blobs if the rep system was still in place

25th January 2009, 16:35

LOL the thanks button still remains lol and the exhaust manifold, look on kam racing under exhaust then manifold, janspeed or supersprint are good.

25th January 2009, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

LOL the thanks button still remains lol and the exhaust manifold, look on kam racing under exhaust then manifold, janspeed or supersprint are good.

Oh right, so if I got a full magnex system.. It wouldn't come with a manifold??

25th January 2009, 16:48

no the magnex would only be a cat back, you would have to buy the manifold seperatly.

25th January 2009, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

no the magnex would only be a cat back, you would have to buy the manifold seperatly.

Oh right ok..

Just had a look..

I take it that Janspeed and Supersprint are better than the Raceland ones?

How much bhp gains would I get with a manifold then? Would it be better to get a full zorst system first?

Thanks.

25th January 2009, 18:15

Use a panel filter fella, i've found theres no difference in performance when i swopped from a K&N panel filter to Raceland enclosed induction with green filter. And they're cheaper and easier to fit.

If you want VTR spec, then you want a VTR engine, or a VTS engine. IMO no point spending money bringing up a 1.4 to 80bhp when you can have 100bhp just swapping engines over....

25th January 2009, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyhall

Use a panel filter fella, i've found theres no difference in performance when i swopped from a K&N panel filter to Raceland enclosed induction with green filter. And they're cheaper and easier to fit.

If you want VTR spec, then you want a VTR engine, or a VTS engine. IMO no point spending money bringing up a 1.4 to 80bhp when you can have 100bhp just swapping engines over....

You got any links to any panel filters danny? Do they still make a nice noise like the induction kits?

You've got a point with the engines, for me, a VTR is too close in spec to a furio to swap, so the only thing I would swap for would be a VTS engine. Only thing is, i'm 18 and just can't afford the insurance until a couple more years..

Until then, i'm not looking to spend alot but a couple of hundred quid to get to 85-90ish bhp would be pretty sweet

25th January 2009, 18:45

Only problem then, as insurers dont like new bigger engines and young lads! Mind you, I was 19 when i had my VTS and ive got 3 points....

I got mine from europerformance, have a look on there for some, should be plenty!

25th January 2009, 19:03

a manifold may give 2-4 bhp and there pretty much all the same, except the supersprint piper janspeed etc will be easier to fit, and mate you wont get a induction noise with a panel filter jsut go for an induction kit.

26th January 2009, 00:32

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...1-4-i-152.html

there you go just under £40 for your panel filter

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...e-saxo-64.html

and about £60 for your centre pipe and leave the backbox as perfomance wise it wont make much difference

so all in for about £100 and that is as much as ur going get out of it without spening daft money.

do the suspension and brakes after doing that so u can send it in the bends quicker

26th January 2009, 08:10

its all down to what kind of budget you have mate.

4th April 2009, 16:30

can you fit supersprint de cat exhaust and have a janspeed manifold?

4th April 2009, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamsaxo123

can you fit supersprint de cat exhaust and have a janspeed manifold?

yes mate you can

4th April 2009, 17:27

is it better to get a supersprint system with a supersprint manifold or doesnt it matter?

4th April 2009, 17:31

dosent matter tbh.

supersprint will be fine.

4th April 2009, 17:48

if you got a vtr engine conversion on a furio what other things would you need to change? cheers

4th April 2009, 17:54

nothing.

engine, loom, ecu unlocked OR the ignition barrel transponder key etc from the vtr engine.

job doneee

4th April 2009, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamsaxo123

can you fit supersprint de cat exhaust and have a janspeed manifold?

Lol, nice 3 month bump dude..

Since when does that question have any relevance to the thread title anyway?!

25th October 2009, 23:36

new here reading stuff for my furio, ic you got the S conversion then instead lol.

26th October 2009, 10:21

Yeah I did lol

19th November 2010, 19:21

Was it hard work? who did it for you?

19th November 2010, 23:41

ITS AN OLD THREAD?!
who bumped this up lol...
i just got a second furio james

20th November 2010, 00:12

People ALWAYS pick my old threads to bump seriously lol! In answer to your question, it wasn't too hard apart from a few ball aches like the fuel return and a mechanic friend did it

Nice one Kieran

That's an excuse for you to make a Soton meet

4th December 2010, 20:20

We should have a meet

shall i start one?.. i have a couple of people i can bring

should be good fun.. I'll make one now