266 or 283's ummmm

30th January 2009, 10:13

Well I had my mind set on 283's but then realised I probably wouldn't actually use the full potential of the brakes ever... so the additional weight of the setup and increase in rotational mass would be a significant factor for me.

Now I'm feeling the 266's... nice little increase in braking performance and fills the wheels a tad better + not as heavy as the 283's

People who have the 266's can they vouch for the performance increase over standard?
Does anyone actually know the weight of the 283 setup compared to 266 and standard? even just 'significantly heavy' will do as a reply.

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30th January 2009, 10:14

Will you using your car on track Ads?

30th January 2009, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Will you using your car on track Ads?

hhhhhhhhhhhhighly unlikely.

although nurburgring is the most likely place it'll get even close to the armco - so very very very rarely.

30th January 2009, 10:20

OK. What are you wanting bigger brakes for? Good quality discs and pads should be fine for road use. Otherwise, the 266mm set should give a nice increase in performance. The 283mm set up are indeed heavy, it's mainly the weight of the discs TBH, however, you get some really strong stopping power.

30th January 2009, 10:26

Just with the last few weeks of threads referring to rotational mass I'm leaning more towards keeping the mass close to the centre of rotation if at all possible... hence why I'm reluctant to get a 283 setup now...

From a purely fast road point of view I'm wondering whether 283's are all that compared to the 266's... the 283's are going to resistance change to speed much more, so increase wear on pads and disc (and more expensive to replace)... slower acceleration (fo sure), more unsprung mass (fo sure).

Even track days, unless the driver is very very experienced at that particular track, a driver won't get the max from the 283 setup, as they'll brake much earlier for the corners than is completely necessary...

feeling the 266's unless anyone can convince me otherwise...

30th January 2009, 10:34

266mm imo, with standard m/c have a sharper pedal bite from all the ones i have drove compared to 283mm.

266mm will be good enough fo sho sayer, and if for whatever reason you want 14inch rimmage you can.

just dont get 206gti 266mm later ones as decent discs and pads are expensive.

I rated mine to an extent but were a bit shit for what i wanted the car for, and wasnt prepared to pay stupid money for decent pads, so seen it cost effective to get the 4pots in the long run.

Ronnie (running 266mm) has the mintex m1144 pads in and tbf brakes are shit hot

30th January 2009, 10:36

so go for the 20.5's as opposed to the 22mm vented stevey?

30th January 2009, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

just dont get 206gti 266mm later ones as decent discs and pads are expensive.

Don't i know it

30th January 2009, 10:38

266mm seem fine for fast road and track. The ring isn't actually too heavy on brakes (anyone saying it is in a Saxo is braking everywhere and slow!!!)

The 266 are a decent step up, I'd go with those

30th January 2009, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

so go for the 20.5's as opposed to the 22mm vented stevey?

dont get either.
Stick berlingo brakes on it

just the same, need a tiny bit grinding on the carrier.
Think the pug 307's fit aswel.

If you need a hand getting a hold of some calipers give me a shout.
Think i have some 266mm in richies garage but cant remember what they are off will have to look the codes up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danr

Don't i know it

yep it certainly sucks, seems to be where ever gti is mentioned the wack the price up

whats the cheapest decent pads you could find?
Think for the mintex cheapest i found was £102 thats the m1144's

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

266mm seem fine for fast road and track. The ring isn't actually too heavy on brakes (anyone saying it is in a Saxo is braking everywhere and slow!!!)

The 266 are a decent step up, I'd go with those

lmfao.....

30th January 2009, 10:39

OK, I'm not trying to convince you about anything, just laying out the facts I'm aware of.

On track Ads, if you can lock up a racing tyre at high speed, then your brakes are 'strong' enough, but that's not the be all and end all per se. Think about heat dissipation for example...

I very much doubt you will notice slower acceleration. I certainly didn't.

30th January 2009, 10:40

That's about what i can get them for. It's a nightmare as i need some new ones asap.

30th January 2009, 10:42

heat is the big enermy, hence why I say the ring isn't too hard on brakes, there's so much time to cool them right down

30th January 2009, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danr

That's about what i can get them for. It's a nightmare as i need some new ones asap.

decent pads for my 4pots are a wopping £24.37 delivered

30th January 2009, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

decent pads for my 4pots are a wopping £24.37 delivered

FFS!

Seriously considering getting a set up off a gti180 anyway. Seems the discs are cheaper on them than mine!

30th January 2009, 10:44

Which 4 pots are you running Steve? I am changing over to Brembos for the sheer hell of it

30th January 2009, 10:47

Guys, buy your 4 pots from www.bigbrakes4U.co.uk Great service, SaxP discount, and I will get a tenner if you say I mentioned them to you.

lol!

30th January 2009, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Which 4 pots are you running Steve? I am changing over to Brembos for the sheer hell of it

wilwood midilites

i had paid for brembos, then decided to get rid of the car, luckly the lad gave me the money back, then decided to keep it haha, then i worked out it was easier and cheaper to get new wilwoods.

By time fuck on with getting them say £200 for calipers then need discs £100 then pads and spacers
i got the wilwoods new for £420 and they fit straight on without spacers

The discs from rally design however are not that cheap, but going to try source them else where

sorry for the

sayer

30th January 2009, 10:51

Nice. I've decided to go with the Brembos as they should fit without any spacing as I'm on 7" wide. Will be a pain in the arse for track wheels though.

30th January 2009, 10:52

naaa it's cool guys... interesting reading tbh!

30th January 2009, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

dont get either.
Stick berlingo brakes on it

just the same, need a tiny bit grinding on the carrier.
Think the pug 307's fit aswel.

If you need a hand getting a hold of some calipers give me a shout.
Think i have some 266mm in richies garage but cant remember what they are off will have to look the codes up.

Don't get either? what go for solids?!?!?!?

Let me know about richies

30th January 2009, 10:54

hahaha just seen the price difference in brakes for the 266's...
20mm £28.99
22mm £48.99

ferking hell.

30th January 2009, 10:56

just to give you some idea of price's, i've been looking around a lot the last few days for my own 266 set up.

i got my calipers pretty much brand new for £10 which was an absolute bargain.
they are from a 307 but i've had problems finding pads for them. there only seemed to be one option which was the ferodo at £55 delivered from larkspeed. they are supposed to be very good pads. i dont think 1144's or 1155's are available for my calipers.
most the disks are the same on pugs and citroens with 266 vented setups (check the codes). the cheapest i found were 206gti discs from eurocarparts. £30 for a pair. the 307 ones were £50 a pair even though they're the same i think.

30th January 2009, 11:00

the 266's have two different width's depending on year...

20mm and the 22mm

the 22mm are significantly more expensive man... which might explain the difference.

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30th January 2009, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

Don't get either? what go for solids?!?!?!?

Let me know about richies

i meant dont get either gti calipers as discs and pads are a joke if wanting decent fast road ones.
and get berlingo ones, same set up but fast road pads are cheaper same with discs as they dont have "gti" in the name.

30th January 2009, 11:10

for a road car just run standard brakes with high performance pads. All you are doing with these big brake kits is changing the brake feel as your co-efficient of friction between the road and tyre is not changing.
Get the right pads and you will be amazed at the difference as certain makes do not compress under pressure so completely change the feel through the pedal.

I'm running carbone lorraine on my BMW and although I can feel them bite quicker, theres no way I am massively shortening my braking distance, even if I can put maximum braking pressure on sooner.

kev

30th January 2009, 11:24

sayer you were in a car with 283s on wed.

Obviously was hard to guage the braking performance as in that weather at brands I couldnt brake like a normally would and risk locking up.

I was going to run 266s on my s1 so i could run steelies for gangsterness.. mankee has 2 sets for £100 atm btw iirc

30th January 2009, 11:26

yeah thats another thing sayer, my 4pots lock up like fuck in the wet lol pressume the 283mms would be similar.
never had dry conditions yet to put mine through there pace's

30th January 2009, 11:27

I don't know whether it's me or the car, or even the tyres but I've found the hi specs to be perfect in the wet and I can't really ever remember having issues locking up

30th January 2009, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

I don't know whether it's me or the car, or even the tyres but I've found the hi specs to be perfect in the wet and I can't really ever remember having issues locking up

with no abs the 4 pots are easy to lock up, I still want them on my car though.

30th January 2009, 11:31

4pots ftw tbh imo yar!
i could do with more braking on the rear with mine, but i have that ebd shite and dont want to gut the abs system.
Going to try sticking some decent pads on the rear and see what the crack is.

30th January 2009, 11:35

even with better pads in the rear id still expect the rear to feel underbraked with 4 pots at the front.

usuallly with 4pots the rears seem to lock first which is better imo.

30th January 2009, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

even with better pads in the rear id still expect the rear to feel underbraked with 4 pots at the front.

usuallly with 4pots the rears seem to lock first which is better imo.

i wish mine did that

no one seems to know much about that ebd i have, i dont have a rear bias valve on the axle

in theory its meant to sense the brake load etc and adjust the pressure, but seems to do jack shite imo, maybe because i have fucked abs sensors? but people say they are not related.....
So if the theory is correct, it should detect a shit load more braking on the front and apply more pressure to the rear.
thats from what i have read across the old tinterweb anyway.

30th January 2009, 11:49

Bit of a hijack but are these the Bosch or Lucas calipers?

I rate the 266mm setup mate, its much much better than std. Mine needs a new MC added but Ive got a smaller cylinder than you so youll be fine

30th January 2009, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Bit of a hijack but are these the Bosch or Lucas calipers?

I rate the 266mm setup mate, its much much better than std. Mine needs a new MC added but Ive got a smaller cylinder than you so youll be fine

quickest way is to take the wheel off and have a look as they are stamped on the back with a code aswel.

Never personally seen those before.

30th January 2009, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

usuallly with 4pots the rears seem to lock first which is better imo.

what spin the car into a ditch is better?

30th January 2009, 11:52

If you want toknow the weight, I have a full set of 283 discs, calipers, pads, lines and master cylinder sat in the back of my car...

Swap you for the weight of a VTS wheel lol

30th January 2009, 11:55

i can get you the weight of my 266 setup later this week when my pads and discs arrive

30th January 2009, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

what spin the car into a ditch is better?

shouldnt be braking in a corner, the rear locks slightly before the fronts so easy to know to release the pedal before the front locks and understeer happens.

30th January 2009, 12:04

I'd imagine the rears are locking first due to the way the suspension is setup. Mine is a little lower at the rear than the front which is probably helping in keeping the arse on the ground

30th January 2009, 12:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

I'd imagine the rears are locking first due to the way the suspension is setup. Mine is a little lower at the rear than the front which is probably helping in keeping the arse on the ground

do you not have the ebd crap i have?

30th January 2009, 12:07

No, mines an early three plug. EBD came in in 2002 IIRC

30th January 2009, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

No, mines an early three plug. EBD came in in 2002 IIRC

lucky bastard......

wonder if i can disable that shite and stick a bias valve on the rear?
as its "theory" doesnt seem to work at all.

30th January 2009, 12:14

I'd imagine it woud be doable, though would be a right pain in the arse.

I'd sort the ABS sensor, it may well have an effect. I've given up trying to second guess the MM 3 plug ECU, it's wank

30th January 2009, 14:03

Ive also been thinking about the 266mm upgrade, theres been some good reading in this thread. Just a quick question...with this upgrade will you lose the abs??

30th January 2009, 14:05

nope, ABS is on the driveshaft. Although you will have to get a 266mm setup that supports pads with the ABS sensors in them

30th January 2009, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

nope, ABS is on the driveshaft. Although you will have to get a 266mm setup that supports pads with the ABS sensors in them

Thanks for clearing that up mate, so what make/model of pad are you talking about having to use? mintex m1144?

30th January 2009, 14:21

No probs. Its nit a specific pad really, it more the caliper choice mate. Im not sure if all of the 266mm calipers available support pads with ABS sensors. The 206 GTi setup will I would have thought, whereas others may not. They may all do I don't know for sure, would just suck if you bought some calipers and carriers and then couldnt find ABS pads for em.

Once youve bought those calipers, youll have to buy pads with the sensors in which may limit your selection. Not sure which can be supplied with sensors, but I know Mintex do on many of their lines so they probably will for the uprated pads

30th January 2009, 14:41

steve - stop mincing about and just junk your whole abs and shit. will take a couple hours to do.

30th January 2009, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

No probs. Its nit a specific pad really, it more the caliper choice mate. Im not sure if all of the 266mm calipers available support pads with ABS sensors. The 206 GTi setup will I would have thought, whereas others may not. They may all do I don't know for sure, would just suck if you bought some calipers and carriers and then couldnt find ABS pads for em.

Once youve bought those calipers, youll have to buy pads with the sensors in which may limit your selection. Not sure which can be supplied with sensors, but I know Mintex do on many of their lines so they probably will for the uprated pads

abs sensors are NOT in the pads, the pads which have wires on them are brake pad wear indicators.

30th January 2009, 14:51

i have driven saxos with 266 and 283 setups, both are very good. the down side to 283s are the weight. if its a weight thing then id say 266 is the better choice.

30th January 2009, 15:59

Ben_saxo whats the pedal feel like for the 266 setup is their alot of foot action as thinking of fitting mine at the weekend not sure if i need to upgrade mc...

30th January 2009, 16:44

I thought the ABS sensor was little switch that digs into the cog thats ground into the hub? What is this bit if its not the ABS sensor?

I'm interested in the 406 coupe brembo setup, this any good?

30th January 2009, 16:50

that is the abs sensor, as i said above its not in the pads.

30th January 2009, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

abs sensors are NOT in the pads, the pads which have wires on them are brake pad wear indicators.

Ahhh, my bad man

Quote:

Originally Posted by baker556

Ben_saxo whats the pedal feel like for the 266 setup is their alot of foot action as thinking of fitting mine at the weekend not sure if i need to upgrade mc...

Its long mate, if you push it all the way down they bite hard but theres too much travel for my liking. It does work all the way though theres no slack. Im def gettin a bigger MC

30th January 2009, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

I thought the ABS sensor was little switch that digs into the cog thats ground into the hub? What is this bit if its not the ABS sensor?

I'm interested in the 406 coupe brembo setup, this any good?

it doesnt dig into the cog, the cog is used by the sensor to detect the speed of the wheels.
the cog is on the driveshaft, the sensor is attached to the strut.

30th January 2009, 17:28

What would happen if this sensor was covered in grease?

30th January 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

What would happen if this sensor was covered in grease?

probably not work.
If they worked in the first place.
what kind of questions that?

similar to what would happen if i take my brakes discs off lol

30th January 2009, 17:34

Haha, i found my passenger side CV boot joint wasnt attached and the entire hub, even the inside of the wheel, was covered in grease. I've since reattached the boot but theres still grease everywhere. The teeth on the hub are covered in it and you can hardly see the ABS sensor as its drown in the stuff.

Time to get an old toothbrush out I think.

30th January 2009, 19:13

266s are a huge improvement over standard. 283s aren't that much better, only useful for prolonged track use. Decent pads in 266s will make them far more capable than Mediochre pads in 283s.

266s will be fine for you!

BTW dave have you driven a saxo on the ring that doesn't have 4 pots?

And Ryan, it'll be damn hard to get the rears to lock up first when you have 4 pots, unless you have stupidly soft front suspension.

I always found with softer front suspension the car was much more unsettled under braking, whereas with 200lb+ you can hammer 4 pots and the car brakes calmly.

30th January 2009, 19:15

ive got the 266mm ones on mine as you know ads, probs what sparked this thread off was our discusion this morning, lol

its the best thing ive done, even with the problems im having now id still recommend the upgrade to anyone. ive been in landy's car with the 283mm setup and they were very very good. the difference in performance between the 266 and 283 is noticable but imo if your not tracking it then the difference in price for the initial setup and then parts is not worth it. Josh (jpsaxo) runs the 266mm on his TB'd saxo and he doesnt seem to have any problems.

DO IT, i'll let you know if i don't use my extra 266mm setup next week. if i dont then there yours for a small fee along with the MC if you want.

30th January 2009, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

And Ryan, it'll be damn hard to get the rears to lock up first when you have 4 pots, unless you have stupidly soft front suspension.

std FTW lol!!

30th January 2009, 19:47

Tbh Ads, i dont rate the 283mm setup atall. I reckon if you wanna up your breaking power just get better pads discs & fluid.

Or get some alloy 4pots.

My brembos are half the weight of the standard VTS caliper

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

1 brembo caliper minus pads & brake fluid = 2.82kg
1 brembo caliper fully assembled with pads = 3.58kg

Dont have any other calipers at hand to weigh atm though, but my 15" macbook pro weighs 2.6 kg so the brembo calipers are seriously light

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic

1 VT caliper minus pads & brake fluid = 3.67kg
1 VT caliper fully assembled with pads = 4.27kg

Brembos are lighter

Dont have access to any other brake setups though so someone else will have to do the others

30th January 2009, 19:57

The discs with brembos weigh twice what standard discs do though!

30th January 2009, 20:00

my bosch 266mm caliper from a 307 weighs 4.33kg without pads or fluid

30th January 2009, 20:01

never had any issues with my 4 pots.i rate them quite highly.

standard/266 with mintex 1144 and good quality discs and fluid... and that will forfill your needs mr sayer.

30th January 2009, 20:02

Might be able to weigh them in the morning.

That just reinforces my opinion of sticking with the standard setup though or going with alloy 4pots.

30th January 2009, 20:07

I ran 266s with OE ferodo pads on a full track day and didn't experience any problems with the brakes, they weren't as good when hot as they could have been but were still pretty good. The discs were scrap after the day though.
283s conversely feel nowhere near as sharp, on the road you can feel the difference it makes over rough surfaces and bumps etc, and they faded easier with OE pads in.

266s will be the lightest overall upgrade for a tin can, as well as cheapest! They are not that great for a proper track car because you'll fry discs regularly. 4 pots aren't that much better than 283mm setup, they just feel sharper and require less effort at the pedal.

31st January 2009, 07:17

the 266mm should be a nice increase for you mate, with the mintex 1155 or ds2500 pads that should see you through a few track days as well

31st January 2009, 08:13

Whats the most important part to upgrade to increase brake bite and reduce pedal travel? Is it the master cylinder?

31st January 2009, 12:43

Brembos/Hi Specs weigh a lot more than standard.

Alex - I've not driven a standard VTS round, though I've been round with Mankee with 266mm brakes and they were fine. My point is that once you know the track you shouldn't actually be braking to many times in succesion before you have a nice long run to get some air to the brakes and cool them down, which is why brakes are one of the few things the ring isn't too hard on in a front drive hatch

31st January 2009, 12:57

im going 4pots on standard discs

low weight, low rotational mass and good stopping power

win all round!!!

31st January 2009, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Brembos/Hi Specs weigh a lot more than standard.

Alex - I've not driven a standard VTS round, though I've been round with Mankee with 266mm brakes and they were fine. My point is that once you know the track you shouldn't actually be braking to many times in succesion before you have a nice long run to get some air to the brakes and cool them down, which is why brakes are one of the few things the ring isn't too hard on in a front drive hatch

my brembos felt lighter than standard calipers.

31st January 2009, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo

the 266mm should be a nice increase for you mate, with the mintex 1155 or ds2500 pads that should see you through a few track days as well

Be careful if you are going for race pads like the 1155's. They are only effective with heat in them and suck from cold though are great for track use. 1144's are more suited for the road

31st January 2009, 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

std FTW lol!!

Nice!
soft springs allow too much weight to transfer forward under heavy braking making the rear light and the rear brakes very easy to lock.
Sorted suspension and chassis should eliminate all of that.

31st January 2009, 13:17

I neeeeeeed a 266mm setup. Anyone got some for sale?

31st January 2009, 13:27

vrs, norman marshals breaker. not far from yours. they have plenty in. or pug clinic in felon.

31st January 2009, 13:44

shall i check in the yellow pages? cant find anything on the net

31st January 2009, 13:48

just go down. vrs and pug clinic are at crossroads where speed camera is on felon bypass, norman marshalls is down newburn near the warburtons factory.

31st January 2009, 13:49

i know where u mean. cheers. havnt got me tools at home tho, will they have some down there?

31st January 2009, 13:51

vrs and pug clinic will have them off already. norman marshalls you'll need your own tools.

not many scrap yards will lend random people tools.

31st January 2009, 14:17

yeh that what I thought but this one down shields must have been knob heads or summit ha. Went down looking for 300mm mk3 mondy calipers for the fiesta and they pointed to the tools as they watched jeremy kyle haha

31st January 2009, 14:25

just been reading throw this about 266mm and 283mm

and i hope people are putting bigger brakes on the rear aswell otherwise the standard 60/40 to the front is going to be more like 95/5 to the front making the car twitchy as fuck at the rear.

also 283mm is overkill on a road car by far esp on a saxo...

266mm is fine if your wanting more anchorage, also if your wanting abit more stopping power upgrade your MC

if its still not enough for what you're using the car for then id reccomend the 283mm setup but its not cheap

31st January 2009, 14:38

upgrade the mc to what? Ive been told to do this. Whats the best option?

31st January 2009, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

upgrade the mc to what? Ive been told to do this. Whats the best option?

the VTR /MC is 20.6mm
the VTS MC is 22.4mm
the GTI-6 MC is 23mm

upto you fella if your keeping standard brakes id upgrade to the vts mc as the gti-6 would be overkill

EDIT: decent brake fluid makes all the diff. IE,dot 5.1

PETE-VTR

31st January 2009, 15:01

im upgrading to 266mm

31st January 2009, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

im upgrading to 266mm

upto you mate how you want the pedal to feel?

bigger then MC sharper the brakes

31st January 2009, 15:11

Got 266's on mine with Goodridge hoses and the standard VTR master cylinder. Pedal feel is no worse than standard tbh.

31st January 2009, 15:17

im thinking vts mc then

31st January 2009, 15:21

your vtr MC should be fine with the 266mm setup.

if your uprating its a good idea to get uprated hoses, theres someone on here selling them cheap in any colour. braided ones

also dot5.1 fluid

PETE

31st January 2009, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

just been reading throw this about 266mm and 283mm

and i hope people are putting bigger brakes on the rear aswell otherwise the standard 60/40 to the front is going to be more like 95/5 to the front making the car twitchy as fuck at the rear.

also 283mm is overkill on a road car by far esp on a saxo...

266mm is fine if your wanting more anchorage, also if your wanting abit more stopping power upgrade your MC

if its still not enough for what you're using the car for then id reccomend the 283mm setup but its not cheap

no need to put bigger brakes on the rear mate. The rears only do about 10% of the braking iirc

31st January 2009, 16:23

my mechanic told me this morning i doubt hes lying about it...

31st January 2009, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

my mechanic told me this morning i doubt hes lying about it...

mechanics dont allways know about performance tuning though.

Ive heard of mechanics telling people that a Roll cage is an MOT failure lol

31st January 2009, 16:29

mechanics dont know everything mate.

there's a lot of people who have posted in this thread that have a lot of experience and are very knowledgeable when it comes to modifying cars.

i would trust them over a general mechanic any day. i have spoken to many mechanics that talk a load of bollocks tbh.

31st January 2009, 16:33

i know where you're coming from fellas i once had a mechanic that told me i needed new wishbones eitherside because one bush was coroded.

but i use him whenever i need somthing doing i carnt do myself and he is very clever and knows his stuff, owns a track spec 205 in bright green and its tiptop.

btw do you stil have the S rims with the r888s on?

31st January 2009, 16:39

ideally, yes you would upgrade the rears also but most people dont as the money is better spent on other parts.

31st January 2009, 16:43

if thats re me yes I do still have the wheels and tyres.

31st January 2009, 16:47

I've had DSH85 old 283 setup ready to go on for a while now but after reading this I think I'll need to stiffen the susp. before fitting them.

Good read.

31st January 2009, 21:40

great thread lads. thanks for the advice, mucho appreciated

ads

1st February 2009, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

my brembos felt lighter than standard calipers.

To clarify, the calipers are a lot lighter but the brakes themselves in total are not as the disks way a huge amount more.

283mm GTI-6 calipers weight close to 2 tonns each. Maybe more (not really, but they are fecking heavy!!)

1st February 2009, 19:33

Tim_W picked up his set of 306gti-6 brakes earlier today and hes txt me over some weights!

Caliper Each 5kg x 2 = 10kg
Disk Each 5kg x 2 = 10kg
Pads 1kg

So thats a total of 21kg

Ste

2nd February 2009, 09:51

I weighed my Hi spec billet 4 pots, and the calipers are 1.5kg each. Mounting brackets are 200g each. Discs weigh a LOT!

2nd February 2009, 10:30

the weight is a big issue to me. Certainly we moved our old track 205 rallye back to standard calipers and wheels as it had 1.9 gti items. The car was transformed in the handling department. Only issue was we were cooking standard halfords pads so some metallic race pads were purchased.
For my next racecar I will use standard sized disks and some 2 or 4 pot calipers as these will be lighter than the standard setup.
There are ways to refine your pedal feel such as getting rid of your servo, but then your missus wont be able to drive it....shame.....

2nd February 2009, 10:41

iirc the notorious cat weighed standards then the wilwoods and they wilwoods were fractionally lighter.