vts gear box

1. gaza Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 fife Posts: 178 saxo vtr 8v

   #1 9th February 2009, 20:44

   what is the difference beetween vts gearbox to a vtr one?? will it fit on the vtr??
2. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #2 9th February 2009, 20:52

   they fit, final drives are different in them.
   
   all saxo MA gearbox's are interchange able between the saxo TU engines.
3. gaza Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 fife Posts: 178 saxo vtr 8v

   #3 9th February 2009, 20:55

   so it would be beter getting a vts one
4. user_25706 Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon

   #4 9th February 2009, 21:32

   You don't really want a VTS box on a VTR mate. Generally when you drop down a model (for the gearbox) they are slightly quicker in acceleration than the next model up (when fitted to the higher spec car). So putting the model up box on will bog the car down (as the model up puts more power through the box)
   
   EG a VTR Box on a VTS will accelerate slightly quicker
   A 1.4 box on a vtr will accelerate slightly quicker.
   A VTS box on a VTR will accelerate slower than a VTR Box
   A VTR Box on a 1.1 will accelerate slower than a 1.1 box
   
   ... and so on...
   
   I'm led to believe the S1 Rallye box is by far the best to use, not sure on how easy it is to obtain one though.
   
   Hope this helps mate.
5. gaza Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 fife Posts: 178 saxo vtr 8v

   #5 9th February 2009, 21:35

   ye a see how that can work cheerz for that
6. stupotvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 EDINBURGH Posts: 3143 BMW e36 328i sport

   #6 9th February 2009, 21:48

   nah mate vtr box has longer ratios than vts so will increase acceleration but reduce top speed
   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615
7. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

   #7 9th February 2009, 22:03

   Stick with your vtr box bud..........
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 9th February 2009, 22:24

   A Vts box will have quicker acceleration than a vtr box, it's due to the final drives, vtr/s have the same ratios but with a different fd!
9. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #9 9th February 2009, 22:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stupotvtr nah mate vtr box has longer ratios than vts so will increase acceleration but reduce top speed http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615

   wrong see my post above ^^^
10. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #10 9th February 2009, 22:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sax_Dan You don't really want a VTS box on a VTR mate. Generally when you drop down a model (for the gearbox) they are slightly quicker in acceleration than the next model up (when fitted to the higher spec car). So putting the model up box on will bog the car down (as the model up puts more power through the box) EG a VTR Box on a VTS will accelerate slightly quicker A 1.4 box on a vtr will accelerate slightly quicker. A VTS box on a VTR will accelerate slower than a VTR Box A VTR Box on a 1.1 will accelerate slower than a 1.1 box ... and so on... I'm led to believe the S1 Rallye box is by far the best to use, not sure on how easy it is to obtain one though. Hope this helps mate.

    Wrong again!
    
    The s1 box has the highest final drive hence it's quick acceleration and low top speed, whereas the vtr box has a low final drive hence
    
    Vtr box on a Vts engine will make it accelerate slower
    Vts box on a vtr engine will make it accelerate quicker
    
    Also want to try and bear in mind where the engine produces most power as to what box you go for. Vtr and Vts engines produce their power at slightly different rpm's
11. gaza Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 fife Posts: 178 saxo vtr 8v

    #11 9th February 2009, 22:35

    thats what i thought cheers for that
12. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #12 9th February 2009, 22:48

    vts box is shorter
    so better off the mark
    its a good mod to do tbh as its not a really short box so is still ok on the motorway
13. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #13 9th February 2009, 23:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sax_Dan You don't really want a VTS box on a VTR mate. Generally when you drop down a model (for the gearbox) they are slightly quicker in acceleration than the next model up (when fitted to the higher spec car). So putting the model up box on will bog the car down (as the model up puts more power through the box) EG a VTR Box on a VTS will accelerate slightly quicker A 1.4 box on a vtr will accelerate slightly quicker. A VTS box on a VTR will accelerate slower than a VTR Box A VTR Box on a 1.1 will accelerate slower than a 1.1 box ... and so on... I'm led to believe the S1 Rallye box is by far the best to use, not sure on how easy it is to obtain one though. Hope this helps mate.

    Not true dude. Vtr box on a vts will decrease the acceleration. Do a search about theres loads of threads on it. A vts box on a vtr will make it accelerate faster but ruin mpg as the vtr box has a long final drive
14. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #14 10th February 2009, 14:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sax_Dan You don't really want a VTS box on a VTR mate. Generally when you drop down a model (for the gearbox) they are slightly quicker in acceleration than the next model up (when fitted to the higher spec car). So putting the model up box on will bog the car down (as the model up puts more power through the box) EG a VTR Box on a VTS will accelerate slightly quicker A 1.4 box on a vtr will accelerate slightly quicker. A VTS box on a VTR will accelerate slower than a VTR Box A VTR Box on a 1.1 will accelerate slower than a 1.1 box ... and so on... I'm led to believe the S1 Rallye box is by far the best to use, not sure on how easy it is to obtain one though. Hope this helps mate.

    
    you find them answers in a cracker?
15. stupotvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 EDINBURGH Posts: 3143 BMW e36 328i sport

    #15 10th February 2009, 21:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stupotvtr nah mate vtr box has longer ratios than vts so will increase acceleration but reduce top speed http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz A Vts box will have quicker acceleration than a vtr box, it's due to the final drives, vtr/s have the same ratios but with a different fd!

    thats what I ment to say just couldn't find the words
16. user_28591 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 ESSEX Posts: 209 Mk1 Black '99 VTS -Mk2 Black '89 Polo Coupe S

    #16 10th February 2009, 22:19

    i fitted a vts box to my old 90bhp vtr. managed about 25mph in first 45mph in second so much shorter ratios than the vtr box. i had it at 8.9 0-60 with an magnex and air filter plus no rear seats. i'd say alot of the diff was to do wit the box. you'll run out of revs at about 120mph tho. the vtr box is good for 150+
17. user_28591 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 ESSEX Posts: 209 Mk1 Black '99 VTS -Mk2 Black '89 Polo Coupe S

    #17 10th February 2009, 22:20

    Quote:

    "A VTS box on a VTR will accelerate slower than a VTR Box"

    wrong!
18. ellwise69 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 239 Mk1 Vtr

    #18 11th February 2009, 08:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by williamsvts you find them answers in a cracker?

    Haha lulz!
19. user_25706 Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 1182 Millenium Falcon

    #19 11th February 2009, 09:08

    My bad.... haha, OK I stand corrected.
20. gaza Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 fife Posts: 178 saxo vtr 8v

    #20 11th February 2009, 17:51

    well im getting one fitted asap so al tell youse all whats all different