R6 throttle bodies

15th February 2009, 18:47

I've got 150bhp at the moment, will I benafit from these?

15th February 2009, 18:59

how have you acheieved 150bhp? meaning what have you already done?

15th February 2009, 19:07

you can reach 150bhp with all the aspiration modifications can you not if done correctly, 140hp atleast.

15th February 2009, 19:08

you cannot gain 30bhp with just breathings mods, you will also need cams.

15th February 2009, 19:08

full piper exhaust with manifold, brain is chipped and induction kit. she was r/r at 145.5 before the manifold.

15th February 2009, 19:09

brain is chipped? WTF? and i think that 145bhp is impossible with what you have stated, the RR must have read very high...

you are talking about a VTS arnt you?

15th February 2009, 19:14

thats what the r/r say's and I'm not going to argue. I raced my mates vti and graunted she's not a quick one and running a little lumpy but I was all over him. yes she's a vts but a vtr shell and gearbox.

15th February 2009, 19:15

would be lucky to see that with cams and your current modifications i believe (150)

15th February 2009, 19:17

anyway, back to my original post...lol. does anyone know if I'll benafit from R6 throttle bodies?

15th February 2009, 19:18

yeah, if there set up correctly an mapped well you should see a benefit
EDIT: what size are R6 boddies?

15th February 2009, 19:18

i advise that you get cams and a remap ( not a "chip" ) then you can think about TBs.

15th February 2009, 19:19

I was thinking she'd have to be remapped. how much will that be do you think?

15th February 2009, 19:20

you will need cams to get the full benefits of a remap, so some good cams and a remap about £700 - £800

15th February 2009, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

i advise that you get cams and a remap ( not a "chip" ) then you can think about TBs.

That sounds a little silly! why would you remap your car before you put on throttle bodies?

15th February 2009, 19:20

you'll most likely need a standalone ECU for boddies

15th February 2009, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigy_87

you'll most likely need a standalone ECU for boddies

Thats why lol

15th February 2009, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigy_87

you'll most likely need a standalone ECU for boddies

I'll have a look for some

15th February 2009, 19:22

if your gettin another ECU an boddies you may aswell get cams aswell to really get benefit out of it all

15th February 2009, 19:24

any pics of your car mate? and before you didnt mention an induction kit? and have you ever thought of a turbo?

15th February 2009, 19:25

your talking big twine now! R6 bodies are only £100 and how ever much it is to remap after that. I don't want cams anyway. If I had a vtec I'd get cams but not on a saxo, not for me anyway.

15th February 2009, 19:29

lmao you need alot more than just the boddies for 100 m8

15th February 2009, 19:30

you will really need cams to get the benefits of bodies, other wise you may be dissapoijted with the results...

also you will need a standalone ecu, adaptors to fit the bodies and loads of other stuff, its quite a big expensive job, if it wasnt we would all have them, cams FTW.

15th February 2009, 19:32

bike boddies can be had for cheap yeah but its gettin a inlet manifold made to fit them that costs abit more, then standalone even more
for that extra few hundread you may aswell get cams an hopefully see just above 160bhp (at a guess, perhaps abit more no idea what bike boddies give)

15th February 2009, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigy_87

bike boddies can be had for cheap yeah but its gettin a inlet manifold made to fit them that costs abit more, then standalone even more
for that extra few hundread you may aswell get cams an hopefully see just above 160bhp (at a guess, perhaps abit more no idea what bike boddies give)

I dont think he is running more than 125-130bhp personally, with what he said he has fitted.

15th February 2009, 19:36

yeah your probably right but i guess its all about how it drives an how it feels to the owner

15th February 2009, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigy_87

yeah your probably right but i guess its all about how it drives an how it feels to the owner

True but he said he had it RRd at 145bhp, soo hes not going by how fast it feels.

15th February 2009, 19:39

lol true
i'd suggest if you do get all this work done try use the same rollers
an if you could stick up the graph that'd be kool

15th February 2009, 19:58

with the figures he had off the rollers before after cams and TBs he will prob have about 250bhp lol i wonder what RR he used?

15th February 2009, 20:06

Its not a matter of me making it up!lol. it was tested at AI Autosport in Randlestown. I didn't get it done but I bought the car with the printout

15th February 2009, 20:09

no no man i'm sure your not making it up

is there any way you can stick up a pic of the graph jus to have a look at it though

15th February 2009, 20:16

I've just logged on as a premium member so I'l sort it now

15th February 2009, 20:19

Could get some more minor mods to just give that little bit extra aswell, like a VTS gearbox, enclosed induction etc etc

15th February 2009, 20:20

how do you guys know it hasnt been previously cammed from when he bought it

15th February 2009, 20:21

will be alot more then £100, i got sum of ere a whole kit everything i need and was more then 100quid. plus to get as much as possilbe u'll have to get cam's and get it setted up. im getting newman's ph3 there 300quid i think and plus sorting out ecu so right away im gonna be spend over £1000 in secends

15th February 2009, 20:22

cant get pics up for some reason but here it is as a for sale ad
http://jon44w.co.uk/forum/viewthread...e=1#pid2285637

15th February 2009, 20:26

clean sax mate

15th February 2009, 20:33

40mm?! Looks about 60.

15th February 2009, 20:34

she's fairly sharp too. theres a little dent on the boot lid but its not creased or anything so should just pull out.

15th February 2009, 20:43

I had a slightly undignified jorney home. pulled into domino's for a pizza and when I got back in the car I couldn't get 5th or reverse. the gear linkage had come off so I pulled it out and the rubber washer must of jumped ship down the road. I had to push her out of the parking space and on down the road I went. not on the road a couple of hours and shes had enough!lol

15th February 2009, 20:47

with r6 bodies you will need
R6 bodies
Manifold
FPR
Fuel Rail
injectors
throttle position sensor
many other parts

soo thats between £200-300
then you will need £500+ worth of ecu
then £300+ mapping session
possibly a fitting charge if your not able £200
some good cams are a must have with these bodies so another £300+

soo £1600 later you have a fairly good engine set up

15th February 2009, 21:04

R6 bodies, or at least the slightly older ones, are 36mm, and hence not really big enough.

You need 40/42mm on a 1.6 saxo. Personally, I'd go for R1 bodies.

Andy

15th February 2009, 21:13

I'd look to try and get the longest total inlet length, from trumpet end to the face of the valve. Around 350mm would be good!

And good quality mapping!

15th February 2009, 23:28

my r6 bodies were 38's after a little bit of work. the r6's are easier to fit than the r1's in my experience

15th February 2009, 23:37

was going to put very similar to the one on the last page by tom
cams are a good mod in a saxo
coupled with bodies you will see a very good motor
id be tempted to throw some headwork into the mix aswell so another few hundred quid depending what sorta work you get

15th February 2009, 23:47

headwork is always a nice idea as alex said. You could start getting into the 180bhp+ gang then.

15th February 2009, 23:47

dependant on what cam profile your running

16th February 2009, 01:39

with regards to you not wanting cams, isn't the whole point of ITB's so that you get better air flow so you can run wilder cams?

16th February 2009, 09:09

Anyone wanting to run these over jenvey etc want there head seeing to

I have first had experience of R6 bodies as me and my best mate, practially built his TB Saxo.

Made excellent mide range torque, awesome sound, just seemed to be lacking something.

Jenveys always seem to make better power with a decent spec.

Why do a half job when you can have a proper job with jenveys etc

16th February 2009, 09:32

**edit** didnt read second page and what I wrote was already covered.

However Jenvey bodies are tried and proven but are more expensive. If I was going to add bodies to my car I would definitely add some cams to suit and make the most of it

16th February 2009, 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by muddy_trousers

your talking big twine now! R6 bodies are only £100 and how ever much it is to remap after that. I don't want cams anyway. If I had a vtec I'd get cams but not on a saxo, not for me anyway.

im sorry but theres soo much wrong with that post i dont really know where to start.
Why get cams with a vtec and not a TU engine? Vtec just kicked in yo
As for you saying r6 bodies are only 100quid, i know its been covered but have you thought about what you need to fit them? Cant seriously think they would bolt straight on. How would you supply fuel?
My advise would be to do some serious homework before even looking into this kind of setup. especially if you want to run them on standard cams

Good luck though.
I am a bit jealous though, wish my saxo had a "brain" wtf

16th February 2009, 09:46

Needs a custom inlet manifold made, then a decision on which injectors to use...

Load of hassle

Just cam the baby