Engine Management with Turbocharging

1. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

   #1 15th February 2009, 21:00

   Been speaking to cituning earlier this week about setting up a turbo configuration. I'm getting a tad concerned as they say with their low boost set up they don't require any ecu modifications. I thought any turbo conversions you would require an aftermarket ecu.
   
   Can any one shed any light on this?
2. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

   #2 15th February 2009, 21:28

   To be honest, i wouldn't go anywhere near cituning! Just my personal opinion!
   
   I'd get in touch with john @ GMC, cituning's prices are way too high, and their customer service is shockingly bad!!
3. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

   #3 16th February 2009, 08:17

   Just what i thought this is the response a few days i got from them
   
   

   Quote:

   Hi Anything over 12psi boost needs a different management system. Our turbo kits have been designed to run at low boost and at 5psi or below. Even cars that have undertaken massive modifications with us i.e. 1.8 conversion with stage 3 turbo kit is running at 12psi and is still using the standard ECU and is a very reliable engine. You are looking at about 9psi-10psi will give up to 200bhp - depending on the condition of the engine. This will cost around £5000 fitted and set-up. You should also consider clutch and brake options with this sort of power. Kind Regards, Sarah Cituning

   Pricing is crazy, was looking at either KMS or VEMs i read sofia's post about the dastek but i can never seem to get hold of them to find out more
4. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

   #4 16th February 2009, 08:49

   That response made me laugh - especially the part about 1.8 stroker saxo's running on standard management!!
   
   When i ordered wossner pistons and rods from them they stated they would take 2 weeks to come, 2 months later i was still waiting!!!!
   
   The customer service was shit, and if they cant order parts correctly then i wouldn't let them go anywhere near a car!!!
   
   I'd stay clear tbh!
5. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

   #5 16th February 2009, 09:15

   \so what would you reccomend for management, KMS vems or omex?
6. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

   #6 16th February 2009, 09:32

   Are you 1 plug or 3 plug vts??
7. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

   #7 16th February 2009, 09:39

   Not quite sure, haven't looked tbh, its a mk1 vts if that helps
8. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

   #8 16th February 2009, 09:46

   If its a mk1 vts, then you'll have a 1 plug ecu!! Thats good news!!
   
   Look here: http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=184428
   
   This is a bargain for around £550 you wont find anything better!!
   
   If you've got any queries, then give andy a pm - he's very helpful!!
9. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

   #9 16th February 2009, 13:42

   
   
   Just took a quick shot of mine hopefully that'll help knowing if its 1 or 3
10. user_27909 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 152 MK2 vtr saxo in silver

    #10 16th February 2009, 13:48

    its 1 plug fell, im also interested in this as i realy want a turbo in the future.
11. user_27909 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 152 MK2 vtr saxo in silver

    #11 16th February 2009, 13:48

    fella*
12. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #12 16th February 2009, 13:53

    As said, that is a 1 plug ecu, a fair few users are using the predator now i think with good results, not sure if its running any boosted motors, but im sure its more than capable - especially when used with the wideband lambda!!
    
    I'd definatley go for one if there was one available for the 3 plug vtr
13. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

    #13 16th February 2009, 14:18

    I'll drop them a PM see what they have to say
14. saxmad88 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 middlesex Posts: 229 106 gti

    #14 16th February 2009, 14:29

    Do it once do it properly if going the charged route!
    
    Sack of cituning and go to somewhere like dp engineering!
    
    AS for management, omex are good, currently a group buy on 106 owners for them (cheap!), Personally not seen a predator ecu but im sure many users on here can say good things about them, so these are 2 possibilities.
15. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #15 16th February 2009, 21:46

    Hi there!
    
    been PM'ing the thread starter
    
    The Predator would drop in thereno problem, and wouldbe plug and play with the wiring loom. Would need the MAP sensor fitting inside, but that's no drama, and it's a fair bit more work to get it mapped up so unfortunately not the £550 price quoted above, would be a little more than that - but still no hassle to fit, and obviously infinitely remappable!
    
    Kind regards
    Andy