Port and Polish Throttle body

21st February 2009, 23:52

Hi all, just looking for some advice.

I am aware that some users are offering a port and polish service on here.

However I have not been able to ascertain definitively whether or not a 51reg plate MK2 VTR could have this performed.

There has been talk of having a plastic throttle body!!

Generally just a bit bewildered!

Any input is eargerly awaited,

Regards

J

21st February 2009, 23:53

you wont have a plastic throttle body.

just a plastic inlet manifold.

unless citroen serverly fucked up on the design front lol

22nd February 2009, 00:18

lol same as above you can get it done, and for the money i suggest that you do, a very good breathing mod.

22nd February 2009, 00:19

how much does this cost? and whats the benifits?

22nd February 2009, 00:20

anyone can do it themselves with a dremel lol

22nd February 2009, 00:23

spencer on here will do it for £26, and the benefits are: increased throttle response, slightly increased acceleration and BHP aswell. biggest difference is throttle response though, hardly have to touch the accelerator and the power comes instantly, and i also noticed it seems to pull much better in all the gears.

22nd February 2009, 00:33

any guides?

22nd February 2009, 00:36

all he appers to be doing is attacking it with a dremel, removing certain areas of metal etc...

if someone shows you a pic, you will see, not rocket science going on.

22nd February 2009, 00:37

kwl, anyone got a pic? is it something that can be done in a few hours?

22nd February 2009, 00:37

i think mines been done, took my air box off the other day and my TBs really smooth looks like its been done in the past

22nd February 2009, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

i think mines been done, took my air box off the other day and my TBs really smooth looks like its been done in the past

perhaps its had a vtec conversion

22nd February 2009, 00:56

I seriously doubt a dremeld tb makes any difference at all, except in the mind of the user.

22nd February 2009, 00:56

And no chance is it going to add bhp.

22nd February 2009, 01:00

lol i know for a fact the throttle response is much better and teh car feels faster, i can feel it. And look on my progress thread last page, pics there.

22nd February 2009, 08:21

im sorry mate but i really cant see what the hype is all about. its more a styling mod than anything else

22nd February 2009, 09:09

cant i just fit a biger threottle body, say one from a 306 gti?

22nd February 2009, 11:45

the polishing might help a tiny bit with other breathing mods, butto be honest i wouldnt bother my arse. feel an extra 2bhp? i severly doubt it to be honest.

Until i see a dyno printout im going to remain a skeptic.

22nd February 2009, 12:14

you can do it but i would spend my money elsewhere.

22nd February 2009, 12:42

only really worth it if you have a die grinder of your own and a bit of spare time, i wouldnt pay for it,

22nd February 2009, 12:42

usually most peoples butterflys are caked in shit from years of oil recirculation from the vent.

A good clean most people will prob notice as much as a dremel job imo

22nd February 2009, 12:44

just done an s1 inlet an tb on my vtr and the inlet is gleaming actually look brand new, lad that had it must of spent ages on it lol, but the tb is fooking manky, gunna set about that with sum pertol, rags and then a dremmel l8r lol

22nd February 2009, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

usually most peoples butterflys are caked in shit from years of oil recirculation from the vent.

A good clean most people will prob notice as much as a dremel job imo

indeed a can of carb cleaner spray can work wonders

22nd February 2009, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

indeed a can of carb cleaner spray can work wonders

shame thats not all thats wrong with my car lol

22nd February 2009, 13:17

carb cleaner

hammer

angle grinder..

fix most problems

22nd February 2009, 13:22

just got the dremel on my t/b took shit loads of it and you get better throttle responce but would say you gain any bhp

22nd February 2009, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

carb cleaner

hammer

angle grinder..

fix most problems

you forgot the ever useful brake cleaner.... brilliant for removing dirt,grease etc from just about anaything.

22nd February 2009, 14:29

thats what i clean my airfilters with lol

22nd February 2009, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

thats what i clean my airfilters with lol

wow.. i bought a pipercorss kit. cost me a tenner and it comes would probally last the average road user for as long as they keep the car.

im not that far don the bottle and i use it all the time on the racebike filter.

22nd February 2009, 16:09

there was someone on here that did a back to back run on a vtr and got the rolling road graph to prove. the gained 1.2bhp IIRC. thats on a vtr with an air filter. the more mods. the more benefit you get.

if you want to know if they are any good. have a word with wayne at chipwizards. the cars with them fitted ALLWAYS seem to get better bhp figures. they arn't just dremmeled. they are bored out to be a minimum measurement all the way through. Feel free to butcher it yourself. but before you do, make sure you got a steady hand because one slip and you take to much off, hit an air pocket in the casting or score the seal. then you get an idle of 3000rpm (ish)... new thorttlebody on the way!

22nd February 2009, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by de4n0

cant i just fit a biger threottle body, say one from a 306 gti?

Anyone? can a biger throttle body not be fited and then port and pollish that?

22nd February 2009, 16:33

liking your ideas yet again de4n0

22nd February 2009, 16:34

haha chears mate, it makes sence, if the idia of porting a TB is the make it biger why not get one off a gti6 or 2.0 xsi as there masive and adapt that to fit.

22nd February 2009, 16:35

personally cnt see what difference it would make, bigger throttles wud be better

22nd February 2009, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by de4n0

haha chears mate, it makes sence, if the idia of porting a TB is the make it biger why not get one off a gti6 or 2.0 xsi as there masive and adapt that to fit.

there is no direct fit from any other peugeot/citroen engines for the ts. you can buy bigger tb's for them but they cast around £250 for the sake of an extra 3mm on the opening. much better getting it gasflowed.

the throttlebodies arnt restrictive on a standard saxo but when you start upping the airflow when you put exhausts and filters and cams etc on, then the standard parts start to become restrictive.

22nd February 2009, 17:12

staying on the same subject here and i know its a bit of a twat question but is port & polish exactly the same as gasflowing??

22nd February 2009, 17:13

Im gonna get a gti6 tb and have a go haha. just for gigles.

22nd February 2009, 17:16

can anyone answer my question??^^

22nd February 2009, 17:17

both same thing i think mate

I might buy 2 for mine just for shits and gigles, so whos is restrictive then

22nd February 2009, 17:25

ok cheers mate

22nd February 2009, 17:35

i just took mines apart and cleaned it up with some carb cleaner and some autosol metal polish and it was gleeming. i notice better throttle response but not a huge difference really

22nd February 2009, 18:25

all feel free to slate them, but until you have tried one then you cant say anything. I have tried one and can definetly say that it feels better than before. A great modification for £26.

22nd February 2009, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

there was someone on here that did a back to back run on a vtr and got the rolling road graph to prove. the gained 1.2bhp IIRC. thats on a vtr with an air filter. the more mods. the more benefit you get.

if you want to know if they are any good. have a word with wayne at chipwizards. the cars with them fitted ALLWAYS seem to get better bhp figures. they arn't just dremmeled. they are bored out to be a minimum measurement all the way through. Feel free to butcher it yourself. but before you do, make sure you got a steady hand because one slip and you take to much off, hit an air pocket in the casting or score the seal. then you get an idle of 3000rpm (ish)... new thorttlebody on the way!

i dont mean to be a skeptic but 1.2bhp aint alot considering on the same car you get differences of upto 1bhp per run.

Its fair enough i can see how it would work on a engine with other modifications, if done after,exhaust,cam,enclosed induction etc i can see how you could get a good gain for £26.

For £26 how are you doing it? dremel? lathe? milling machine?

havent had a look at the vtr throttle bodie, but most bike carbs are bored out on a lathe.

Trevor

22nd February 2009, 22:29

im am fitting a clip 172 TB to mine, just waiting on some hosing coming then i'll be fitting it, thats over 10mm bigger than standard vts TB.

and the reason you'll be getting a better throttle response is, because if you look at the standard TB it is shaped to give a smoother throttle making the car more driveable at slow speeds and in traffic etc, this will be taking away when its 'ported and polished'.

i done my clio and vts TB with an air powered dremel style tool and dont see what the hard part about doing it is???

22nd February 2009, 22:31

clio 172 TB on saxo vts plenum

22nd February 2009, 22:46

did that make any noticable differences?

22nd February 2009, 22:50

^^^^^^thats impressive.........scrap yard or expensive? lol st8 fit mate?

22nd February 2009, 22:56

it honestly does make a difference, many people including myself can back it up!

when people come on here and ask what performance mods they can start off with, this shuld be there along with induction and exhaust etc

22nd February 2009, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

when people come on here and ask what performance mods they can start off with, this shuld be there along with induction and exhaust etc

you missed off cleaning the TB aswell

22nd February 2009, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean_VTS

^^^^^^thats impressive.........scrap yard or expensive? lol st8 fit mate?

got clio TB from cliowilliams owners club for £35, then made the bits myself to make t fit. have put it on the car yet as im waiting on a couple bits coming. should have it ready to fit tomorrow, i hope.
have a look in my progress thread for how i've made it fit and the bits ive needed.
cost me £50 all in, i got catch tank free and done all the work myself though.

22nd February 2009, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

got clio TB from cliowilliams owners club for £35, then made the bits myself to make t fit. have put it on the car yet as im waiting on a couple bits coming. should have it ready to fit tomorrow, i hope.
have a look in my progress thread for how i've made it fit and the bits ive needed.
cost me £50 all in, i got catch tank free and done all the work myself though.

Quality mate, maybe worth doing that instead then for the little extra it cost! Also if uve got how u did it in your progress sure it will help people out. Definatly something worth looking into! Thats when i get round to getting my tb out!

23rd February 2009, 01:04

definitely interested to see the results of the clio tb once it's fitted. how difficult was it to make fit?

23rd February 2009, 07:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorRS

i dont mean to be a skeptic but 1.2bhp aint alot considering on the same car you get differences of upto 1bhp per run.

Its fair enough i can see how it would work on a engine with other modifications, if done after,exhaust,cam,enclosed induction etc i can see how you could get a good gain for £26.

For £26 how are you doing it? dremel? lathe? milling machine?

havent had a look at the vtr throttle bodie, but most bike carbs are bored out on a lathe.

Trevor

think most are being done on a milling machine not by hand with a dremel and at the end of the daty 1.2 bhp is better than no etra bhp and it all adds up.

23rd February 2009, 07:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by stendog

think most are being done on a milling machine not by hand with a dremel and at the end of the daty 1.2 bhp is better than no etra bhp and it all adds up.

Have to agree and for £26, who cares? and the Throtle response is also worth the money alone.

23rd February 2009, 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juz

definitely interested to see the results of the clio tb once it's fitted. how difficult was it to make fit?

you'll need access to a milling machine or know someone that has to be able to do it.
i dont see why you need a miller to port and polish a standard 1 though, even when you port and polish standard TB, the diameter hole the air goes through is still the same size.

23rd February 2009, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

even when you port and polish standard TB, the diameter hole the air goes through is still the same size.

just like when you gasflow/ port polish a cylionder head ay? you dont make put bigger valves in but you still get gains!

tell me if im wrong!

23rd February 2009, 10:05

Spencer i swear by the serivce you provide, its top notch and cant fault it.

like most people i was a bit weary and thought that it wouldnt work but i am genuainly impressed with the results and reccomend it to anyone and eveyone.

23rd February 2009, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

just like when you gasflow/ port polish a cylionder head ay? you dont make put bigger valves in but you still get gains!

tell me if im wrong!

they also change the shape and radius' in the ports aswell though.

23rd February 2009, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

they also change the shape and radius' in the ports aswell though.

the radius and shape of the throttlebody is changed...

23rd February 2009, 12:46

i recommend getting your t/b ported and polished throttle responce is improved and sounds throatier

23rd February 2009, 16:06

NORMAL THROTTLE BODIE:

PORTED AND POLISHED THROTTLE BODIE:

In the first picture you can see a very restictive lip.

23rd February 2009, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Have to agree and for £26, who cares? and the Throtle response is also worth the money alone.

I do, thats why i asked....

23rd February 2009, 16:21

got a good finish with an air powered dremel style tool. so dont see why people cant do it for themselves with an electric 1?

23rd February 2009, 16:22

not bad.

23rd February 2009, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorRS

I do, thats why i asked....

i meant who cares if you only get 1 or 2bhp more because it only costs £26, not who cares about the actual modification.

23rd February 2009, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

i meant who cares if you only get 1 or 2bhp more because it only costs £26, not who cares about the actual modification.

i meant i care if its done witha dremel or on a milling machine....

If its not a bigger bore then you might get a tiny bit from the polishing. but to be honest you will get as much by removing the other half of the spindle and cleaning the ornginal carb without all the tedious polishing.

23rd February 2009, 16:31

just spend an extra £24 and fit a bigger TB

23rd February 2009, 16:32

Look on the pic of my original one, there is a restrictive lip that is ground down which in essence makes the throttle bodie bigger allowing more air in. Ask spencer he will explain. You cant argue for £26 anyway.

23rd February 2009, 16:34

its doesnt make the hole where the butterfly is any bigger though.

23rd February 2009, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Look on the pic of my original one, there is a restrictive lip that is ground down which in essence makes the throttle bodie bigger allowing more air in. Ask spencer he will explain. You cant argue for £26 anyway.

Im well aware of the lip, and cutting away the useless bit of the spindle etc... i was just interested to see if its bored or just cleaned and polished.....

23rd February 2009, 16:39

polished imo, its tapered so wont be done on a miller imo

23rd February 2009, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

polished imo, its tapered so wont be done on a miller imo

on the bike carbs its only the actual venturi thats bored then usually finished by hand while spinning in the lathe.

in reality its just doing what the manufacturers originally should have...

in saying that, when removing the lip thats the result(better throttle response) i have felt for myself, and removing the spindle helpf with airflow at WOT so it makes scense anaway.

23rd February 2009, 16:48

it does make sense and you can definetly feel the difference.

23rd February 2009, 16:50

throttle response feels better as the manufactures put that lip in to give a smoother throttle.

23rd February 2009, 16:50

what you saying, that cleaning it and removing the bit of metal is what your getting for the £26?

23rd February 2009, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdwelsh

what you saying, that cleaning it and removing the bit of metal is what your getting for the £26?

looks like it...

william.. im not sure it it was left/created there on purpsoe or not? its possible it was designed with the casting flash there for that reason although it does sound quite a

idea for citroen...

23rd February 2009, 16:55

Oh right.

23rd February 2009, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdwelsh

Oh right.

best to wait to see what spencer says about it.... but from what i can see thats whats being done.

23rd February 2009, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

just like when you gasflow/ port polish a cylionder head ay? you dont make put bigger valves in but you still get gains!

tell me if im wrong!

Heya,

we're going to be testing some Saxo exhausts / manifolds etc on a rolling road soon. If you like we'll do a back to back test of a ported TB if you send us one (We'll return it after)

23rd February 2009, 17:10

I think it's important to test a standard throttle body against the ported and polished one, as long as the standard one is *THOROUGHLY CLEANED* first and de-gunked.

I wonder how much of the noticed improvement is because the TB is lovely and clean?

I cleaned out mine recently as it had loads of gunk in it, and afterwards there was amuch crisper feel to it, so bear this in mind.

Andy

23rd February 2009, 17:15

I had mine off the other day when I was in at the ICV.

It seemed fairly clean anyway, I'm all up for members offering a service to users but if its merely a case of cleaning it...

Mine was 3 alan key bolts I think.

23rd February 2009, 17:16

until you have held a original one and a ported and polished one in both your hands next to each other you cant say anyhing. I have and can see where the ported and polished one has been ground down. And until you have fitted one to your car you cant say it does nothing.

23rd February 2009, 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

I think it's important to test a standard throttle body against the ported and polished one, as long as the standard one is *THOROUGHLY CLEANED* first and de-gunked.

I wonder how much of the noticed improvement is because the TB is lovely and clean?

I cleaned out mine recently as it had loads of gunk in it, and afterwards there was amuch crisper feel to it, so bear this in mind.

Andy

i agree... i can see there being much in it on a stock car.

23rd February 2009, 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

I think it's important to test a standard throttle body against the ported and polished one, as long as the standard one is *THOROUGHLY CLEANED* first and de-gunked.

I agree Andy that you'd have to test like for like

23rd February 2009, 17:25

Like I said, we will do an unbiased RR. We dont sell this item or have the manufacturing facilities to do anything similar so its no interest to us whether this makes a gain or not.

I personally see no point to modifying the throttlebody as thats not the restriction in my eyes but the throttleplate spindle removal could let a tiny bit more air in. Whether theres any difference I am happy to check out.

Kev

23rd February 2009, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

until you have held a original one and a ported and polished one in both your hands next to each other you cant say anyhing. I have and can see where the ported and polished one has been ground down. And until you have fitted one to your car you cant say it does nothing.

im not an idiot, i work at bikes for a living and race myself.

im well aware of the differences i have removed the flash from many carbs, aswell as the half a spindle changed the shape of the butterfly to aid WOT air flow and polished them.

I dont want an argument.. i was just trying to find out what had been done... as by the fact he had said "ported" i for some reason assumed he was making the venturi bigger not just removing flash,polishing and cutting away half the spindle.

Trevor

23rd February 2009, 17:29

KAM if you do the RR let us know of the results.

23rd February 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorRS

im not an idiot, i work at bikes for a living and race myself.

im well aware of the differences i have removed the flash from many carbs, aswell as the half a spindle changed the shape of the butterfly to aid WOT air flow and polished them.

I dont want an argument.. i was just trying to find out what had been done... as by the fact he had said "ported" i for some reason assumed he was making the venturi bigger not just removing flash,polishing and cutting away half the spindle.

Trevor

Just out of interest what is a "WOT"??

23rd February 2009, 17:30

Fair one

23rd February 2009, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Just out of interest what is a "WOT"??

Wide Open Throttle

23rd February 2009, 18:32

Fair play from Spencer, he has the pics to show you what he is doing. £26 is a fair price for the labour involved. Decreasing the frontal area of the throttle spindle is a delicate job but yields significant results, along with knife-edging. Induction wise, removing obstructions helps to make the air flow unformly, minimising the deceleration of air flow through the TB.

Check out some old-skool power tuning books. Vizard a-series, pinto...

On the other hand, if you have the time and patience and experience not to c0ck up your TB with the dremel and you enjoy being hands on then great.

23rd February 2009, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

Like I said, we will do an unbiased RR. We dont sell this item or have the manufacturing facilities to do anything similar so its no interest to us whether this makes a gain or not.

I personally see no point to modifying the throttlebody as thats not the restriction in my eyes but the throttleplate spindle removal could let a tiny bit more air in. Whether theres any difference I am happy to check out.

Kev

That would be interesting if you could. I should be fitting mine later on this week

23rd February 2009, 19:15

made no diffrence at all on my car imo.

23rd February 2009, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groomster-VTS

made no diffrence at all on my car imo.

+1 the only difference is my car seams to like the golden nectar a little more

23rd February 2009, 19:22

i had one on and wayne at chipwizzards said they give 3bhp max , but didnt feel any different to me

23rd February 2009, 21:30

its not just a polish with motal polish and then half the spindle.

there are various stages in the process and i spend around 1.5 - 2 hours on each one. its an industrial dye grinder that i use along with a milling machine, various grinding wheels, flap wheels and a selection of small files. the throtlebody is totally dismantled and put back together with the butter flu being removed from the body while the process is carried out.

i firstly mill it out to a desired radius upto the spindle. then i knife edge the opening rim and very gradually chamfer the opening in towards the throttlebody and remove any ridges/steps present. its then a matter of machining the front half of the spindle and grinding down the screw ends. after this i go round the whole of the throttlebody with a flap wheel and small file to take away any other sharpe edges left on the spidle and the rest of the opening.

then its a matter of using various flap wheels & wet & dry wheels along with cutting paste to give a mirror finish.

so no its not just cutting the spindle and cleaning the throttlebody up.

gains are had by making less of an obsticle for the air to pass through and these give you better MPG under normal driving conditions because you dont have to be so heavy on the throttle to get the required power to pull the car.

NOTORIOUS_CAT HAD a ported TB and a standard tb off me for a vts to do a back to back test. if interested contact him as he was going to post up the results.

24th February 2009, 13:57

All the people saying it made no difference, i dont see how not, i can feel the difference, before i fitted mine i went out and drove around for 30mins, then fitted it and went back out and could tell the difference. Its not that noticable, just consentrate and you will notice that you dont have to push teh accelerator as much.

Anyway spencer as i have said i rate you service very highly!

24th February 2009, 16:35

go out with the ported one on, then try putting the standard one on and going for a blast. you can tell a big difference

24th February 2009, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

go out with the ported one on, then try putting the standard one on and going for a blast. you can tell a big difference

exactly what i was going to say, and i did do that, you do feel the difference.

24th February 2009, 21:57

cant wait to bang mine on then

24th February 2009, 22:50

i posted it today mate 1st class recorded so will be there tomorrow

24th February 2009, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

go out with the ported one on, then try putting the standard one on and going for a blast. you can tell a big difference

what about a cleaned standard one

24th February 2009, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groomster-VTS

made no diffrence at all on my car imo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nij

+1 the only difference is my car seams to like the golden nectar a little more

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

i had one on and wayne at chipwizzards said they give 3bhp max , but didnt feel any different to me

Interesting

25th February 2009, 08:50

i didnt do any of theirs...

25th February 2009, 09:00

iv done mine in which you would do it

ie. grindback the metal lip right back till smooth all the way round to a polished look,

cut one side of the butterfly holder away and get that smooth.

completely smooth butterfly to polished look, then complete soak it in polish and rub it in buff off etc until your happy with it

you should have a go ryan you may suprise yourself instead of slating something you havent tryed...smart arse answer will be 'i have throttle bodies so why would i bother'

its not rocket science is it, c'mon work it out...

25th February 2009, 09:36

anyone want to lend us one for a rr day?

25th February 2009, 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

smart arse answer will be 'i have throttle bodies so why would i bother'

A star fror that one

it would be quite a backwards step to go from pugsport bodies to a dremeld Tb

25th February 2009, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

anyone want to lend us one for a rr day?

come up to the Yorks RR day and you can put mine on

25th February 2009, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

All the people saying it made no difference, i dont see how not, i can feel the difference, before i fitted mine i went out and drove around for 30mins, then fitted it and went back out and could tell the difference. Its not that noticable, just consentrate and you will notice that you dont have to push teh accelerator as much.

Anyway spencer as i have said i rate you service very highly!

Yea ok i think we know that you are happy with yours as you have said it about 20 times in this thread.

25th February 2009, 10:56

iv told you. contact notorious_CAT

25th February 2009, 16:50

i know this isnt porting but its still on tbs. how much diff will a 1.6 vtr tb make to my westcoast???

25th February 2009, 16:58

not a lot cause it wont fit. the money would be better spent elsewhere for the trouble you would go to making it fit. you would have to bore the inlet manifold opening out to accommodate the extra diameter on the throttlebody. otherwise it will make the car less powerful due to hitting a flat face where the tb meets the inlet manni.

25th February 2009, 17:32

also a big single throttlebody can give poor airspeed at low revs so its not necessarily the best to fit a huge one to a normally aspirated engine. A lot of big engined cars use a duel throttlebody setup with two different size plates.

25th February 2009, 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nij

come up to the Yorks RR day and you can put mine on

but u have one on urs that rickyp did mate

25th February 2009, 17:47

sort of off topic, but do twin turbo cars have 2 throttle bodies? or one bodie for the 2 turbos?

25th February 2009, 17:56

one mate

25th February 2009, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

one mate

Thanks

25th February 2009, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

A star fror that one

it would be quite a backwards step to go from pugsport bodies to a dremeld Tb

haha yeah deffo would be... nothing more you can do

26th February 2009, 22:16

just my friend says he has a 2.8 tb on his bm im guessing its a 2.0 im jst abit confused

27th February 2009, 12:16

does he not have a 2.8 with the 2.5 TB and inlet on?
thats what they do with them iirc

27th February 2009, 14:37

hmmm i will try and find out im sure its only a 2.0 so he may be telling porkies i will see.

28th February 2009, 11:24

ive had this done on my 306 s16!!!

had all FIVE of the butterflies in the inlet tract done
knife edged
spindle cut down(both of them)
all burr and casting marks removed

combined with a group a decat and ptfe inlet gasket the differance is very noticable.

28th February 2009, 23:57

No ones going to feel a <3hp difference on a 1 ton car.

28th February 2009, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by swampy

ive had this done on my 306 s16!!!

had all FIVE of the butterflies in the inlet tract done

5 butterflys????

It only uses a single throttle body.

1st March 2009, 00:01

with a split inlet manifold, short and long runners.

Dont think anyone would believe me if I said that flow benching a tb with the butterfly spindle chafed down would show near identical results to a standard one eh.

1st March 2009, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabbastard

Dont think anyone would believe me if I said that flow benching a tb with the butterfly spindle chafed down would show near identical results to a standard one eh.

Stands back opens popcorn.

25th March 2009, 10:55

hi there i am looking to port and polish my throttle body on saxo vtr, i have seen the pic on here is there any dimensions you can send me ??? if not could you please give me a ring about the service justin 07780922320 thanks

25th March 2009, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabbastard

with a split inlet manifold, short and long runners.

Dont think anyone would believe me if I said that flow benching a tb with the butterfly spindle chafed down would show near identical results to a standard one eh.

but you can FEEL the difference

25th March 2009, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

but you can FEEL the difference

*sniggers*

I hear Ross Brawn has released why they are doing well in practice this year, they dremeled last years TB for extra power

25th March 2009, 21:07

come on guys, really how old are you?
I cant beleive your still taking the time to write messages, slating it when you havnt tried it! its not just bhp difference your feeling its the added throttle response, the car revving more freely and the better pull.

yer, yer, yer, you can go on about your dremmel this, dremmel that and shout out your theories etc but you cant really say it does nothing unless you try it! everyone that has bought one off me has been more than pleased with the item. and thats all that matters to me!

im not calling anyone or aiming to provoke a reaction i just dont think its right slating something unless you have tried it your self!

25th March 2009, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

iv told you. contact notorious_CAT

would rather do my own tests to ensure like-for-like tests.

If you are confident that they work send one to me and I'll do the testing to prove it for nothing. You can even have the TB back after

all the performance benefits will be seen on a RR graph

25th March 2009, 22:43

They really do work, throttle response is really noticable. Just try it.

26th March 2009, 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

would rather do my own tests to ensure like-for-like tests.

If you are confident that they work send one to me and I'll do the testing to prove it for nothing. You can even have the TB back after

all the performance benefits will be seen on a RR graph

ill see if i can get a spare sorted then mate. ill pm you when i have one. when you do it though. try a back to back driving test then try the back to back rr tests

26th March 2009, 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer_cammedvts

ill see if i can get a spare sorted then mate. ill pm you when i have one. when you do it though. try a back to back driving test then try the back to back rr tests

no problem I would do both to see how it feels as well as gettting a nice graphic to wave

6th April 2009, 23:03

Well, i have been waiting over a week now for my TB to be returned. I haven't had much contact with him since he received my TB's (yes, i sent him 2 VTS TB's, one for him to keep as a spare for an exchange for quicker turnarounds, and one he is meant to be sending back to me).

I hope i get my TB back soon as i don't really fancy a trip up to retrieve it myself!

6th April 2009, 23:05

Kam, you done the Dyno with and without yet?

6th April 2009, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcheater

Well, i have been waiting over a week now for my TB to be returned. I haven't had much contact with him since he received my TB's (yes, i sent him 2 VTS TB's, one for him to keep as a spare for an exchange for quicker turnarounds, and one he is meant to be sending back to me).

I hope i get my TB back soon as i don't really fancy a trip up to retrieve it myself!

yeah same here was promised it on the staurday latest monday quick enough to reply to me paying for the tb but several pm's later nothing back been well over a week aswell

7th April 2009, 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Kam, you done the Dyno with and without yet?

he needs a TB first, i ahve a spare vts throttle body but it just a standard 1.

7th April 2009, 15:51

as of yet we have nothing to test

7th April 2009, 16:07

Might port n polish my exhaust tip aswell.

Il do a rolling road to show the difference.

7th April 2009, 22:03

so is this really worth getting done?? and if i did want it done wot would i have to do??

12th April 2009, 15:02

Still no reply from spencer_cammedvts so please dont anyone else send your TB's off to him

12th April 2009, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcheater

Still no reply from spencer_cammedvts so please dont anyone else send your TB's off to him

He just doesnt come online very often, i doubt he will have ripped anyone off, hes donw loads of peoples.

12th April 2009, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

He just doesnt come online very often, i doubt he will have ripped anyone off, hes donw loads of peoples.

He was last online 9th April 2009 16:56 so must have seen these posts and mine and jamiemol's PM's

NO EXCUSES!!! And its not the lack of communication im annoyed with, its the fact that after 2 weeks, i still havent received my goods.

12th April 2009, 15:12

There could be any number of genuine reasons its took this long though.

12th April 2009, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

There could be any number of genuine reasons its took this long though.

Agreed - but how come he has been online numerous times but has ignored our PM's??????? I dont mind how long it takes as my whole engine is in bits at the mo, but with no communication, its like hitting your head against a brick wall - a bit of input on his side wouldnt take much effort and it would put everyone's minds at rest...

12th April 2009, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

There could be any number of genuine reasons its took this long though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcheater

Agreed - but how come he has been online numerous times but has ignored our PM's??????? I dont mind how long it takes as my whole engine is in bits at the mo, but with no communication, its like hitting your head against a brick wall - a bit of input on his side wouldnt take much effort and it would put everyone's minds at rest...

yeah the main point to believing i have been conned is the fact he wouldn't stop pm'ing me about having it payment etc..and then the zero communication as i have pm'd him several times since in which he has been on to reply to them has been well over 2weeks aswell

12th April 2009, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiemol

yeah the main point to believing i have been conned is the fact he wouldn't stop pm'ing me about having it payment etc..and then the zero communication as i have pm'd him several times since in which he has been on to reply to them has been well over 2weeks aswell

EXACTLY the same treatment here

12th April 2009, 18:14

im sure all is well he is a legit guy soo far

12th April 2009, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom

im sure all is well he is a legit guy soo far

Ino, my dealings with him where spot on.

Why would he blow his reputation to pieces over a few £s?

12th April 2009, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Ino, my dealings with him where spot on.

Why would he blow his reputation to pieces over a few £s?

Thats what i cant understand.... But why leave people in the dark when its clear they are concerned?

10th May 2009, 11:48

Other things do kinda take priority when you lose your job... i hadnt been on the thread at all. i had been on sax-p to see if i had pm's when i saw there were pm's it just made me worry and i didnt read them as i knew i was too busy to do anything about them. been doing this for nearly 4 years now and not one customer has had to wait more than 3 days up until now. sorry for the bad experience but IMO my career comes before porting throttlebodies!

Either way things are sorted now and i will carry on doing the service for anyone that wants it.

also got a VTS throttlebody ready to go on a part exchange basis!