VTR vs VTS???

  1. Newbie Joined: Feb 2009 Stirlingshire Posts: 14 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6!
    #1
    Hello to all!

    Recently joined Saxperience and think the website is spot on!

    I currently have an "02" reg VTR and am looking into trading it in for a VTS.
    I dont know if there is much difference in the performance of the two cars having not had a shot of a VTS.

    I dont know if i would be wasting my money, or is the extra 20Bhp all the diffrence.

    As i have only had the car for 6 months im not sure if its totally worth while.

    HELP??????????????????????????????????????
  2. Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 kirkintilloch, Glasgow Posts: 1968 ep82 starlet gt turbo
    #2
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigElz1986 View Post
    Hello to all!

    Recently joined Saxperience and think the website is spot on!

    I currently have an "02" reg VTR and am looking into trading it in for a VTS.
    I dont know if there is much difference in the performance of the two cars having not had a shot of a VTS.

    I dont know if i would be wasting my money, or is the extra 20Bhp all the diffrence.

    As i have only had the car for 6 months im not sure if its totally worth while.

    HELP??????????????????????????????????????
    100% worth getting a VTS, most people will tell you the same. If i could afford the insurance its the one id have
  3. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Wirral Posts: 5011
    #3
    Whats the change in Insurance? Is VTR Group 7 and VTS Group 14 or something like that?
  4. Newbie Joined: Feb 2009 Stirlingshire Posts: 14 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6!
    #4
    I kinda think its the way to go.Having known what i know now, i would have got a VTS from the start!cheers.
  5. Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Leicester Posts: 368 Posi blue VTR. Silver 1.1 sx
    #5
    Makes a BIG difference if I could afford the insurance id have one
  6. Newbie Joined: Feb 2009 Stirlingshire Posts: 14 Citroen Saxo VTR 1.6!
    #6
    Thats correct mate!
  7. Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 kirkintilloch, Glasgow Posts: 1968 ep82 starlet gt turbo
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pieface View Post
    Whats the change in Insurance? Is VTR Group 7 and VTS Group 14 or something like that?
    Im not sure exactly what the difference is but im only 18 so VTR is all i can afford for now.
  8. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Co Durham/Hereford Posts: 3044 'Floz' Citroen saxo 1.1 [RIP], Escort XR3i, 306 Tu
    #8
    You'll feel a hell of a lot of difference! But if the insurance is going to cost quite a bit more, I'd hang onto the VTR until the premium drops.
  9. Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Toronto, Canada Posts: 1118 Mitsi Evo 2008
    #9
    Big dif between the vtr and the vts they both put a smile on your face but the vts is by fart the best alround, as long as cost not an issue then go for it but not the cheapest of cars to fix if it goes wrong.
  10. Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Toronto, Canada Posts: 1118 Mitsi Evo 2008
    #10
    double post there sorry.lol def the vts
  11. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 30
    #11
    vts aint worth the extra 7 groups on insurance you could get a racing puma for that insurance lol lots faster better car
  12. Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR
    #12
    Depends how much the insurance is and if your willing to pay for the extra. But yeah it will feel faster, and if you plan on doing any future engine tuning it is the best to start off with.
  13. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 Southampton Posts: 62 SAXO VTS mk1 GOLF mk3 with lambo doors!
    #13
    I was told the VTS was the best one to go for, so i bought one, and very very impressed with it, but needs a head gasket now.
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2007 Chesterfield Posts: 8935 Ibiza Cupra 204bhp
    #14
    i have a cammed vtr and a standard vts. VTS is much quicker, mainly because its stripped and the vtr hasnt been mapped yet lol
  15. Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Canvey Island Posts: 1625 MY96 Impreza WRX 287bhp/299lbft ;)
    #15
    get a vts mate they stand out and dont see many of them, any bodykit saxo i see are all vtr.
  16. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..
    #16
    Vts is the way to go dude!!..........
  17. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 View Post
    But yeah it will feel faster, and if you plan on doing any future engine tuning it is the best to start off with.
    Probs because it is faster dude

    VTR isn't a bad car and if insurance is a killer on a VTS, stick with your VTR and save some cheddar towards a VTS when the insurance is cheaper.

    On the whole the VTS is the one to go for though
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #18
    VTS all the way, had a vtr at 17 and then got the VTS at 18

    <3 the VTS... quite amazing how they perform after a few modifications considering theyre only a 1.6 16v but insurance/tax/fuel is abit of a downside but hey ho if uv got money why not ... i dont mean all of your money i mean enough to comfortably run a VTS lol ... theyre the same to run/maintain as a VTR though

    my VTS soon may be for sale its been pondering in my mind for a very long time lol wenther to sell it or not as iv had no problems with it but ah wel lol

    depends how much ur willing to lose tbh but imo a breathing vtr against a standard vts having driven both felt quite similair although in reality there was a difference, i know this because i actually raced my old vtr haha but modded vts cant beat the fun in that.
  19. Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Iced View Post
    vts aint worth the extra 7 groups on insurance you could get a racing puma for that insurance lol lots faster better car
  20. Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 nottingham Posts: 1250 2003 citroen saxo vts.
    #20
    definatly worth it, nippy as hell.
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #21
    racing puma? i think theyre only 150bhp iirc?

    gay car anyway lol wouldnt have one
  22. Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 North london Posts: 191 Low rider vts!
    #22
    vts all the way, and who hooo i can afford the ridiculous insurance!!!! but well worth it, the only thing i found is that the vtr could take a bit more of a hammering than the s but more power = more engine strain i guess. and owh yeah forget them gay pumas, birds car init?
  23. Frequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton city Posts: 897 Mk1 Saxo eastcoast 1.1, Mk2 Black Saxo VTR
    #23
    VTS dude, iv got a vtr cus it was a freebie but id driven my friends vts before a few times and it feel ace, plus like most the guys will tell u, the mods that u put in a vtr will do so much more in a vts. Insurance is stupid but hey thats life, if its a bit pricey for you just save up, by the time you've found a gud one anyway ull probley have the money lol
  24. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 London Posts: 613 Saxo Vts
    #24
    VTS by miles mate, VTRs seem flat in comparison after driving one.
    Insurance not an issue for me cos I'm old.....ish. lol
  25. Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 yatton/bristol Posts: 153 mk1 vtr mk5 golf fsi
    #25
    yeah vts is the way forward i have a vtr wish i brought a vts instead but gonna save up for one now
  26. Newbie Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 20
    #26
    VTS for sure dont even think insurance is that bad im 20 wit 2 years no clains and i pay 575 tpft wit adrian flux!!!
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Glasgow Posts: 4772 Mk2 VTR Two Tone, Mazda 3 Sport
    #27
    this is the problem i'm having.

    do i go for a VTR ... cheaper insurance or do i go for the VTS group 14 with an extra 20bhp and ABS
  28. Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a
    #28
    what do you need abs for? its a substitute for low ability drivers imo. you can stop much quicker without it.

    also, i'm another for the vts. Drive a vtr and a vts back to back and you will realise how much difference there really is.
  29. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pat_Vts View Post
    racing puma? i think theyre only 150bhp iirc?

    gay car anyway lol wouldnt have one
    i agree, proper camp!
    for the money and running costs you cant beat a vts, great fun
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #30
    VTR is still pretty lively imo... got mine at 17 and still not bored of it at 19. I'd rather run a VTR and have some spare cash than run a VTS and be skint all the time - imo of course.
  31. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Birmingham Posts: 503 Saxo VTR
    #31
    Just had a look on the internet and the 1.7 Racing Puma is around the same as a VTS.
    VTS looks a whole lot nicer aswell!
  32. Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 telford, shropshire Posts: 968 E86 Z4 3.0 si coupe
    #32
    vts are good even i like them. but the other side is to keep the "r" for a couple of years then get a clio cup or something else like it maybe something turbo'd.
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LeeumH View Post
    VTR is still pretty lively imo... got mine at 17 and still not bored of it at 19. I'd rather run a VTR and have some spare cash than run a VTS and be skint all the time - imo of course.
    its onli the insurance really at our age

    my vts actually is less than my vtr to run overall.

    **got my vtr at 17 aswell, got bored of it after a few months but couldnt do anything until insurance ran out then now iv got the vts but now its for sale lol...
  34. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS
    #34
    Happy VTS owner here. good on fuel, good on drivability.
    Bad on tax, bad on insurance (if you're young).
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2007 Darlington Posts: 8766 Icelandic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS
    #35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by adsayer View Post
    Happy VTS owner here. good on fuel, good on drivability.
    Bad on tax, bad on insurance (if you're young).
    when you consider the Clio 1*2 group 16 insurance and £245 tax (as of April 2010) then the VTS isnt all that great?? VTS - Insurance group 14, and £310 a year tax (as of April 2010).

    Dont get me wrong, i would have one...just some facts above
  36. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS
    #36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    when you consider the Clio 1*2 group 16 insurance and £245 tax (as of April 2010) then the VTS isnt all that great?? VTS - Insurance group 14, and £310 a year tax (as of April 2010).

    Dont get me wrong, i would have one...just some facts above
    I said 'bad on tax'
    Cost me £210 a few days ago. ouchies
    innit.
  37. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Raz View Post
    when you consider the Clio 1*2 group 16 insurance and £245 tax (as of April 2010) then the VTS isnt all that great?? VTS - Insurance group 14, and £310 a year tax (as of April 2010).

    Dont get me wrong, i would have one...just some facts above
    The tax on a VTS will be £245 from April 2010.
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #38
    but think of it

    vtr tax 185? or w.e

    vts 210 or w.e only 40 quid or wotever betwen them two lol
  39. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Sunderland Posts: 3052 52 VTS, 172 Cup
    #39
    Ive owned both, used to have a vtr, now have a vts and they are both really good fun! I thoroughly enjoyed my vtr (got it at 17). They are quite diffrerent to drive aswel imo...the way the power is delivered in each etc. But choosing between the two i have to say i love my vts more. If you can afford it get one you wont look back.
  40. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #40
    Earlier VTRs had hiked tax too... think mine is £155 for the year.
  41. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS
    #41
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mieran View Post
    The tax on a VTS will be £245 from April 2010.
    o well, can't put a price on fun.
  42. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #42
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pat_Vts View Post
    but think of it

    vtr tax 185? or w.e

    vts 210 or w.e only 40 quid or wotever betwen them two lol
    No.

    We're talking about Saxos which are registered after 1st of March 2001.

    From April 2010

    VTR - £155
    VTS - £245

    £90 difference.
  43. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #43
    £310 tax a year? dont think so like,
  44. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #44
    Going back to the original question:

    I honestly think they are both shit (bold statement to be made on a Saxo forum lol).

    I really don't see what the hype is all about.
  45. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Republic Of Linwood.. Posts: 855 green phase 1 vts
    #45
    i had never owned or driven a saxo before i bought my VTS, had a shot of my mates vtr the other night and for lack of a better word, its shite compared to a S..

    p.s.. i dont see how insurance can be THAT bad on a vts, im 19 with 3 points declared and a write off. 800quid fully comp with my old dear as a 2nd driver..
  46. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS
    #46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mieran View Post
    Going back to the original question:

    I honestly think they are both shit (bold statement to be made on a Saxo forum lol).

    I really don't see what the hype is all about.
    depends what you're comparing them to...

    if you're comparing saxo's to saxo's then the VTS is da bestest.

    If you comparing saxo's against ferrari's then again, saxo is best.
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  47. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #47
    there is better cars out there.
    vauxhalls are better for big power because of the ease of engine conversions imo
    i dont really want a newish car as they are more expensive to fix when they break.

    i think the saxo is a good alround car, easy to work on and got lots of potential imo.
  48. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #48
    I was comparing a VTR/VTS to my old banger.

    Every time I go to test drive either of them (its been more than 10 of them now) I regret going in the first place and as soon as I jump back in my car I fall in love with it again even though its a piece of shit.

    The last one I went to see on Monday was priced at £2500 and it was the shit, and yet my £500 banger felt much better.

    Something must be going wrong.
  49. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #49
    i had a v6 vectra and prefer my saxo to it. would rather have a car thats fun to drive than a comfortable 1.
  50. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #50
    The other thing that I don't get is people swear by the handling of the Saxo and how it can keep up with some real hot hatches in the twisties on track yet I didn't notice any of that.

    Williams you have to take me for a spin in your VTS one day and show me what its made of, and maybe I'll change my mind then lolz
  51. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #51
    depends what suspension the cars have you've been in.
    the saxo is better for very twisty roads imo as it has quick turn in.
    172's/182's will be just as good imo but i like the saxo better.
  52. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #52
    All the ones I've been to see had standard suspension setup.

    I've been in my mates EP3 and there is no way a Saxo can keep up with that, the handling is immense even though his Civic is standard.
  53. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #53
    standard saxos with good condition sus handle very well imo. they do grip, just dont always feel like they will
  54. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #54
    what shape is ep3?
    at kames all the vts' were putting in quicker times than the type R's.
  55. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719
    #55
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    standard saxos with good condition sus handle very well imo. they do grip, just dont always feel like they will
    Exactly, but in the EP3 you feel more confident in throwing it about.

    EP3 is 2001 onwards like this
  56. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #56
    yeah, saxos were quicker round kames
  57. Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2007 Canterbury Posts: 659 Fiesta ST
    #57
    to be honest a vts or a gti

    They are fun either way hmmmmmmmm

    love em
  58. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS
    #58
    You told me when you did my brakes you'd never have another Saxo marc.

    They are very simple cars and that's what I like about them - they have everything you need really... there's no stuff for stuff's sake. Definitely not ready for a civilised german barge yet.
  59. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2007 Darlington Posts: 8766 Icelandic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS
    #59
    My tax was £145 for a year - VTR

    I read it was £310 on a VTS by April 2010

    my bad
  60. Regular Poster Joined: Aug 2006 Lincoln(ish) Posts: 380 MK1 Saxo VTS
    #60
    I've had 1 VTR and I am now on my 2nd VTS, I would never go back to a VTR 'cos the S is in a completely different league, do it if you can afford it. It's more costly to insure and slightly more to tax but I managed 33 mpg in mine driving with quite a heavy right foot so it's not too bad to run. Engine mods will feel much more worthwhile on the S too than the R.
  61. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Swindon Posts: 129 MK2 VTS
    #61
    ive driven a couple of vtr's and now own a vts and have to say the vts is much more fun
  62. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Glasgow Posts: 4772 Mk2 VTR Two Tone, Mazda 3 Sport
    #62
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by maddison_vts View Post
    what do you need abs for?

    Because the last saxo i had the passenger side discs locked quite alot
  63. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 190
    #63
    i have now had my 106 gti for a week now and can honestly say the difference is alot after getting back into my vtr today it felt so sluggish lol
  64. Established Member Joined: Jun 2004 Worcester United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2209 Saxo VTR MK2
    #64
    Gotta remember insurance will sting you on it until ur an old fucker!

    VTR for me £270 a year
    VTS for me £330 a year

    Fuck im old!
  65. Newbie Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3
    #65
    do it you daft lad
  66. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport
    #66
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mieran View Post
    I was comparing a VTR/VTS to my old banger.

    Every time I go to test drive either of them (its been more than 10 of them now) I regret going in the first place and as soon as I jump back in my car I fall in love with it again even though its a piece of shit.

    The last one I went to see on Monday was priced at £2500 and it was the shit, and yet my £500 banger felt much better.

    Something must be going wrong.
    Are you 47?

    Ive just bought a VTS after never owning a Saxo, my friends have owned them in the past but it was years ago when I was still at college.

    I love it, mines a bit poorly but still doesnt feel amazingly fast to me so I wouldnt bother with a VTR if you can afford to run a VTS, its just 7 insurance groups higher is quite alot!

    I also own a Cooper S (mk2 turbo, not that whiney supercharger shit) and the handling is comparable to be fair, not quite as grippy but you can point it just as comfortably, now its lowered anyway, tis a bit spongey standard.
  67. Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a
    #67
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jdmojojojo View Post
    Because the last saxo i had the passenger side discs locked quite alot
    you had a problem then.

    abs isn't needed, its a 'driver aid'. a good driver never depends on abs.
  68. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Leeds Posts: 314 posi blue Vts Beaten black and blue!
    #68
    My VTS is standard under the bonnet at the mo and iv raced standard and modded VTR's and the difference is massive.
    By the way Saxo VTS 0-60 7.6
    Racing Puma 0-60 7.8
    Thats slower in my eyes
  69. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi
    #69
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JoshB View Post
    Are you 47?

    Ive just bought a VTS after never owning a Saxo, my friends have owned them in the past but it was years ago when I was still at college.

    I love it, mines a bit poorly but still doesnt feel amazingly fast to me so I wouldnt bother with a VTR if you can afford to run a VTS, its just 7 insurance groups higher is quite alot!

    I also own a Cooper S (mk2 turbo, not that whiney supercharger shit) and the handling is comparable to be fair, not quite as grippy but you can point it just as comfortably, now its lowered anyway, tis a bit spongey standard.
    cooper s has lsd aswell?
  70. Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..
    #70
    If you can afford it get,vts...............
  71. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2007 Newcastle Posts: 825 306 GTI-6
    #71
    Lets be fair.... if insurance is not an issue, why would anyone pick the slower car of two identical looking cars?

    It comes down to cash and how much you are happy giving away to insurance people.

    Saying that, a VTR isnt slow and is perfectly capable of giving you the "going through a hedge backwards" thrills that a VTS can give. Only slower lol.
  72. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Pontefract Posts: 4007 2010 E92 320i MSport
    #72
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by williamsvts View Post
    cooper s has lsd aswell?
    Mine hasnt, its an optional extra. One that I wasnt willing to contribute towards!
  73. Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 fife Posts: 136 mk2 sexo vts
    #73
    vts is the way forward mate
  74. Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 In The Peak District Posts: 2348 Icelandic VT?
    #74
    it all comes down to one thing... money
  75. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Swindon Posts: 129 MK2 VTS
    #75
    the only thing that people buy a vtr for is because they are are too young or can't afford to insure or run a vts. IMO
  76. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 North London Posts: 6170 Land Rover Discovery
    #76
    but vts arent supercars though LOL

    theyre abit poop themseleves aswell

    i wouldnt own another saxo
  77. Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)
    #77
    Everyone should have bought a 205 gti instead..

    Kev
  78. Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Dudley Posts: 1634 106 GTI
    #78
    /\ lol nice one but i would 100% say VTS/GTI both amazing cars
  79. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #79
    I've played with many 106 GTI's and VTS's in my standard MK2 VTR..Obviously they are quicker, but when i say quicker i'm talking about 10-15 car lengths upto 100+ mph..Not the huge difference people may think..

    But, when you go in a VTS, as they rev more and have quite an aggressive power curve they fell a hell of alot quicker..
  80. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS
    #80
    Also, given the choice between the two car's, a MK2 VTR and a MK2 VTS i would have the VTR any time..

    Purely because i prefer VTR wheels and the interior kicks the VTS's ass tbh..The fact that VTR's are cheaper to insure etc is just a bonus for me..

    Also i like to keep my car's pretty original so changing interiors and wheels over wouldnt be an option..
  81. Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 321 Fiat coupe 2.0 16v Turbo! tshhhh
    #81
    vtrs are quick for what they are, 1.6 8v but the only reason for this is because they dont weigh feck all. i mean 90hp is now.

    As as for a vts again they weigh nowt (tad more then vtr but due to extra airbag ect) but the extra 8v and overhead cam (i think ) makes them alot more pokier. 120hp isnt bad for a 990kg car. Also the plus to them is the handling. they are onwe of the best handeling cars iv driven just behind the epic clio cup!
  82. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Birmingham Posts: 503 Saxo VTR
    #82
    I drive a VTR and have been in my mates VTS and the VTS is so so so much more fun to drive than VTR!
    VTR aint even powerful!
  83. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Leeds Posts: 314 posi blue Vts Beaten black and blue!
    #83
    the only reason you buy a VTR is because you cant afford a VTS, be it insurance, fuel bills, taxing it or buying one
  84. Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Knaresborough Posts: 777 White MK2 VTS
    #84
    Ive had a VTR for a year now put a full exahust syatem on and a decent induction kit and it proper shifted. But Ive just bought a standard vts and it is so much quicker. The VTRs are a good car though its like everyones saying if you can afford a VTS then get one you'll not be disapointed mate.
  85. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932
    #85
    vts everytime. people go on about how there isnt much difference but trust me there is.....