VTS engine in Saxo/106/AX

1. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

   #1 24th February 2009, 20:46

   I want to make a cheap sleeper car for myself, iv read the guides on doing the engine swap and it seem relativity easy apart from matching up the plug from the ECU with the plug on your car.
   
   Id quite like to put a VTS/106 GTi engine in an AX because of the AX's light weight and aerodynamics.
   
   Now the general rule seems to be you should match the VTS/GTi engine to the year of your car, but obviously GTi's/VTS's didnt even exist when the AX was out so would it be a case of bodging the 2 looms together? How hard would this be? The same would also apply to some older 106's as the GTi wasn't released until 1996.
   
   Basically is there a more definitive guide to matching up VTS's/GTi's ECU with a car?
2. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

   #2 1st March 2009, 14:16

   Anyone?
   
   After reading up a bit it seems like the AX is a no-no with just plug and play, but what about more modern 106/saxo's. Could a 98 saxo fit a 02 saxo VTS loom for instance? Has no one got some workshop manuals or something to check this out?
3. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

   #3 1st March 2009, 14:19

   Theres no guide to it mate no. But I guess if you got all the looms from a VTS including all dash looms and fitted the lot inot an AX it would work? Could use VTS dials then too
4. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #4 1st March 2009, 14:21

   Have a search on here for vts's into Saxos, 98 engine n loom into a 98 saxo.
   
   Maybe have a scan of ax owners club for info on putting a Vts into one, I can imagine there is some splicing to do.
5. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

   #5 1st March 2009, 14:28

   Yeah I dont want to go down the AX route because of the splicing involved, I found a whole thread about fitting the VTS into an AX and I dont fancy it atm (clicky does make good reading though )
   
   Im just thinking if I buy a saxo from 98 that I cant just be limited to getting a 98 VTS engine n loom there must be looms from other years that are the same? Surely?
6. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

   #6 2nd March 2009, 13:34

   Anyone?
   
   Or are the wiring diagrams of the 106/saxo online somewhere?
7. Aaron Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2008 ..... Posts: 5231 ..............

   #7 2nd March 2009, 13:35

   single plug or three plug diagrams?
   98 single plug give me one minute
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 2nd March 2009, 13:38

   if you've got a 98 Vts, then you'll want a loom from a mk1, so a Vts below 1999.
9. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

   #9 2nd March 2009, 13:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Aaron single plug or three plug diagrams? 98 single plug give me one minute

   Either, what id like to know is which run of cars had single plug and which run of cars had 3 plug.
10. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

    #10 2nd March 2009, 13:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz if you've got a 98 Vts, then you'll want a loom from a mk1, so a Vts below 1999.

    So MK1 = single plug ecu's , Mk2 = 3 plug ecu's? Thats what I wanted to know!
11. Aaron Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2008 ..... Posts: 5231 ..............

    #11 2nd March 2009, 13:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hpi_matrix Either, what id like to know is which run of cars had single plug and which run of cars had 3 plug.

    
    
    
    single plug wiring.
12. Hpi_matrix Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Hertford/Derby Posts: 1272 MG BGT, AX Gti

    #12 2nd March 2009, 16:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hpi_matrix So MK1 = single plug ecu's , Mk2 = 3 plug ecu's? Thats what I wanted to know!

    Anyone?
    
    Aaron tank you very much for that diagram, is it possible to have one for the 3 plug arrangement to see the differences.
13. Aaron Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2008 ..... Posts: 5231 ..............

    #13 2nd March 2009, 16:57

    2 minutes let me dig it out
14. Aaron Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2008 ..... Posts: 5231 ..............

    #14 2nd March 2009, 16:58

    edit. not allowed
    shaboosh
    3 plug ecu wiring
15. Aaron Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2008 ..... Posts: 5231 ..............

    #15 2nd March 2009, 16:59

    sorry havent got a clearer one than that
16. Berg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 rugby Posts: 3766 MK2 VTS, Ibiza Cupra 20VT

    #16 2nd March 2009, 17:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hpi_matrix So MK1 = single plug ecu's , Mk2 = 3 plug ecu's? Thats what I wanted to know!

    dont think it works like that mate
    
    mines an early MK2 and its single plug
    
    think 3 plug is for the later mk2 models
17. user_31642 Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 s-o-t Posts: 1174 S2 106 Rallye

    #17 2nd March 2009, 20:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hpi_matrix So MK1 = single plug ecu's , Mk2 = 3 plug ecu's? Thats what I wanted to know!

    not always mate cuz some early mk2's have single plug ecu id imagine you could just put the entire loom form a vts into an ax though ? ?