16v engine swap help!

1. plimmer-xsi Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Stone Posts: 464 Citroen Saxo VTR

   #1 4th March 2009, 23:26

   i have got a rallye with a vts engine in but it is standard so i have just purchased a cammed and remapped vts engine for my rallye both engines are single plug.
   
   now the worry is will the swap be str8 forward, the immobiliser bothers me on the new engine. I have got the key and locking barrel off the new engine i ave just bought. whats gna be the easy ay and what problems am i going to encounter electrically wise.
   
   please help!
2. plimmer-xsi Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Stone Posts: 464 Citroen Saxo VTR

   #2 5th March 2009, 00:47

   bump, really need help peeps!
3. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #3 5th March 2009, 03:25

   If it's got a vts engine in it all you have to do is swap just then engine itself.
4. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #4 5th March 2009, 05:01

   as above its just the engine, and ecu that needs to be swapped
5. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

   #5 5th March 2009, 08:11

   Raunchz - I think he means he's bought a tuned engine to replace his stock one, and the new ECU is mapped to match the engine, so not just a case of swapping the engine out from under the loom...
   
   you need to take the immobiliser control unit from the new engine and keep it matched with the new ECU.
   
   Andy
6. user_24886 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2008 Notts Posts: 6227 White pug 106 1.6

   #6 5th March 2009, 08:16

   why didnt you just tune yours
7. plimmer-xsi Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Stone Posts: 464 Citroen Saxo VTR

   #7 5th March 2009, 11:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo why didnt you just tune yours

   because work out the price of newman ph3's, remap by chipwizards running 160.1 bhp, manifold, and then labour plus i have sold my engine for 280 quid therefore it comes to 300 and labour is only costing me 150 quid plus VAT...... whats cheaper then buddy?!
   
   cheers for the help guys, its still playing on my mind but they start the swap tomozz so we will see what happens, if i have to send the ecu off to bluehawk then so be it but i was thinking if i change the locking barrels then surely that should wrk because the immobiliser works through the ecu and i have the fob and key for that, very confused lol
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 5th March 2009, 12:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by plimmer-xsi because work out the price of newman ph3's, remap by chipwizards running 160.1 bhp, manifold, and then labour plus i have sold my engine for 280 quid therefore it comes to 300 and labour is only costing me 150 quid plus VAT...... whats cheaper then buddy?! cheers for the help guys, its still playing on my mind but they start the swap tomozz so we will see what happens, if i have to send the ecu off to bluehawk then so be it but i was thinking if i change the locking barrels then surely that should wrk because the immobiliser works through the ecu and i have the fob and key for that, very confused lol

   Sorry I completely misunderstood it - I'll learn to read!!
   
   Iirc (liam08 can confirm) you'll need the black immobiliser box too. I'd also be careful about sending it off as Bluehawk might 'wipe' the Ecu. When I sent mine off they ran checks on it and reflashed without an Immobiliser, hence unlocking it.
   
   You could try it with the key and barrel with the mapped Ecu but with the black box unplugged.
9. plimmer-xsi Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Stone Posts: 464 Citroen Saxo VTR

   #9 5th March 2009, 12:21

   k cheers buddy, wheres the black box located?
10. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #10 5th March 2009, 13:04

    It's under the passenger side dash, right up the back by the top. Is fiddly to get out.
11. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #11 5th March 2009, 13:05

    Just a thought but the rallye might not have one already!
12. plimmer-xsi Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Stone Posts: 464 Citroen Saxo VTR

    #12 5th March 2009, 14:40

    it has got a aftermarket alarm and immobiliser on it
    
    i rang bluehawk today and they said they can unlock the ecu without effecting the mapping on it so if worst comes to worst then thats how i will do it unless there is a better way
13. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #13 5th March 2009, 15:15

    I'd try and start it up, and if need be send it off the bluehawk - probably the best way.
14. plimmer-xsi Regular Poster Joined: May 2007 Stone Posts: 464 Citroen Saxo VTR

    #14 5th March 2009, 16:38

    yeh thats what i will do just trying to see what the best thing to do if it wont start cos it will obviously be something to do with the ecu