180bhp vts?

10th March 2009, 23:37

iv herd from a work mate that a company took a limited number of vts's (When new) and tuned them to 180bhp for sale. (Like a spechial edition) cant remember what he said the company was called. but its a "saxo vts ??? 180" anyone ever herd anythin about them? am just intrested

10th March 2009, 23:39

LAD certainly are "Spechial"

Basicaly they never made 180bhp, it was a sales ploy

10th March 2009, 23:40

there is a video on something like "metcafe" showing a VTS 180 dragin a 106 GTi and leaves it standing.

i never realised that they actually made them.
time for some research

10th March 2009, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Add91289

iv herd from a work mate that a company took a limited number of vts's (When new) and tuned them to 180bhp for sale. (Like a spechial edition) cant remember what he said the company was called. but its a "saxo vts ??? 180" anyone ever herd anythin about them? am just intrested

They never made 180bhp by a long long way.

lol

10th March 2009, 23:42

just be cammed and on bodies wont it?

10th March 2009, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by VtsTom

LAD certainly are "Spechial"

Basicaly they never made 180bhp, it was a sales ploy

yeah but thats like saying the GT500 only makes 460/80 something, and using the name as a sale ploy.
or the lambo LP640, which really does make 640....

*continues with research*

10th March 2009, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonto_VTR

there is a video on something like "metcafe" showing a VTS 180 dragin a 106 GTi and leaves it standing.

i never realised that they actually made them.
time for some research

They didnt. You have to spend alot of money to go get 180+

10th March 2009, 23:43

Could it be a European spec one?

iirc some of the figures are different on the Euro vts and our vts (ours being the more powerful?)

James

10th March 2009, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonto_VTR

yeah but thats like saying the GT500 only makes 460/80 something, and using the name as a sale ploy.
or the lambo LP640, which really does make 640....

*continues with research*

They often dont make 160.

10th March 2009, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim-Bob

Could it be a European spec one?

iirc some of the figures are different on the Euro vts and our vts (ours being the more powerful?)

James

nope.. not a european one.

10th March 2009, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hewitt20

just be cammed and on bodies wont it?

doesnt have bodies.

and cammed and bodies wont make 180. To run wild enough cams to make 180 you need rebated/forged pistons

10th March 2009, 23:48

A company called LAD aparently did a run of 10 saxo vts's they called the EVO that they marketed with 180bhp due to a few upgrades
"Upgrade " consists of:
Reworked cylinder head.
new air filter.
modidified cam timing
chipped ecu
suspension stiffened and lowered by 60mm.
16inch alloys with 195s instead of std 185s
up rated brakes.
few cosmetics spoiler,stickers and stuff.

Basicaly they NEVER made 180bhp, not even close. 140bhp if you was lucky

10th March 2009, 23:50

They should have called it Saxo150, at least that way its not that far from the actual figure.

10th March 2009, 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mieran

They should have called it Saxo150, at least that way its not that far from the actual figure.

or just the turd... then it would be true

10th March 2009, 23:53

Quote:

or just the turd... then it would be true

mate me laff alot

11th March 2009, 06:52

has anyone on here actually been or seen a 180 in action? theres no way mine is only running 140bhp ive done an r32 golf now and set a race with my mates wrx the weekend ill video it. but theres no way its running such amount of small brake as my zs 180 could havce it.

11th March 2009, 07:37

Lol like the vts plus or w/e it was that was suposed to be turbo stock, no such thing

11th March 2009, 07:43

Theres no way it had 180bhp on a standard induction setup.
The r32 is not a very good comparison to race. My 205 mi16 on throttlebodies had just under 180bhp (176) and it could truly annihilate an R32 so I think a saxo with 150/160bhp would be able to pass one no problem

11th March 2009, 08:58

Would be good if they actually did make one, but sadly they didnt sooooo. keep dreaming basically lol

11th March 2009, 10:06

are you not on about the saxo vts remo or something?

11th March 2009, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

has anyone on here actually been or seen a 180 in action? theres no way mine is only running 140bhp ive done an r32 golf now and set a race with my mates wrx the weekend ill video it. but theres no way its running such amount of small brake as my zs 180 could havce it.

why not get some pics up of this mystical 180bhp vts you have then, show us all data you have to proove the figures

11th March 2009, 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

has anyone on here actually been or seen a 180 in action? theres no way mine is only running 140bhp ive done an r32 golf now and set a race with my mates wrx the weekend ill video it. but theres no way its running such amount of small brake as my zs 180 could havce it.

Which thottle boddies do you have?

11th March 2009, 10:23

Didn't Craig have a lad engine? Hence saxo_180? Doesn't make anywhere near that.

11th March 2009, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

has anyone on here actually been or seen a 180 in action? theres no way mine is only running 140bhp ive done an r32 golf now and set a race with my mates wrx the weekend ill video it. but theres no way its running such amount of small brake as my zs 180 could havce it.

anyone who knows anything about a saxo engine knows there is no way that with the work done by LAD it can make the power quoted.

Do you think people spend several K to get to 180+ on bodies for the sheer fun of it when they could get lad to do it by adjusting the cam timing and a mild bit of headwork?? lol!

craig had a 180 conversion and it made shit power.

11th March 2009, 11:42

Don't know if the link was already posted but:

'Saxo VTS Evolution 180'
http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/saxo-evo-review.html

11th March 2009, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesP

Don't know if the link was already posted but:

'Saxo VTS Evolution 180'
http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/saxo-evo-review.html

taken from the LAD site lol, where the power figures shown will be that of LADs rolling road.

11th March 2009, 11:48

ive heard rumors of a san remo model , apparently on 50 ever made , but they were 160bph standard . . . .

11th March 2009, 11:54

There are no quicker vts's ever made. I believe Viper spoke to Citroen direct and has an e-mail to confirm this. Marketing ploy by companies that should be embarrassed by these ridiculous claims.

Longman do a conversion for the 206 gti.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...t_206_gti.html

£5,500 worth of work. 53bhp which needs throttle boddies. Lad are claiming a similar rise without. That just doesn't work.

11th March 2009, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danr

There are no quicker vts's ever made. I believe Viper spoke to Citroen direct and has an e-mail to confirm this. Marketing ploy by companies that should be embarrassed by these ridiculous claims.

Longman do a conversion for the 206 gti.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...t_206_gti.html

£5,500 worth of work. 53bhp which needs throttle boddies. Lad are claiming a similar rise without. That just doesn't work.

The San remo was commisioned by a garage in manchester to try and boost sales, it was as stated nothing related to citroen direct other than that it was sold by one dealer who got them 'made'

11th March 2009, 16:50

talked to my mate at work today. he says there "saxo vts EVO 180" am gonna do some reserch now and see what i can find

11th March 2009, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Add91289

talked to my mate at work today. he says there "saxo vts EVO 180" am gonna do some reserch now and see what i can find

Thats the one we have been on about. Its all bollox

11th March 2009, 16:57

dark blue with gold wheels?

11th March 2009, 17:15

Your mate has heard a name, people here have owned them
Be guided by the right people.....

K.

11th March 2009, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

are you not on about the saxo vts remo or something?

Yeah the saxo vts San Remo was ment to built to a spec of 160bhp. Might be what your thinking about mate.

11th March 2009, 17:42

Why go do research when we have allready told you that the LAD cars were the ones, there was no official special edition and none made 180bhp!!!!!!

11th March 2009, 18:04

Just to be completely clear....

How *exactly* will the stock 220cc injectors supply enough fuel to make 180bhp?

If they were FLAT OUT OPEN they would lean out at that power level.

It's a lie - a total fabrication. It's walking the thin line between called something a "Saxo 180" and saying "it has 180bhp".

They call it the "Saxo 180" because that's its name!! NOT because it makes that bhp, or even COULD make that bhp! It's simple impossible!

Andy

11th March 2009, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

Just to be completely clear....

How *exactly* will the stock 220cc injectors supply enough fuel to make 180bhp?

If they were FLAT OUT OPEN they would lean out at that power level.

It's a lie - a total fabrication. It's walking the thin line between called something a "Saxo 180" and saying "it has 180bhp".

They call it the "Saxo 180" because that's its name!! NOT because it makes that bhp, or even COULD make that bhp! It's simple impossible!

Andy

Totally agree (awaits the guy to say hes doing even more research lol)

11th March 2009, 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossie

(awaits the guy to say hes doing even more research lol)

*sniggers*

Whats even more comical is how someone expects the standard cams to give enough valve lift/duration for 180bhp when everyone is going and spending money on catcam 708s to make 150-155...

11th March 2009, 18:32

ive emailed lad now, i dont really know alot about saxos but i want to find out what they have to say.

my cars got over 6 grands worth of recipts for it and on quite a few they claim my car is running 180bhp and on another sheet it says 185bhp. it seriously must be making at least 160bhp with the mods its got id of thought. its pissing me off now some point i shall get it on the rr. ill try and scan all there paperwork up its got a folder full. deffo is not on tbs though.

ill post the pics up of my car in the car thread.

11th March 2009, 18:33

*awaits eric to join sax-p*

11th March 2009, 18:35

also what bhp did this craigs run on somone elses rr?

11th March 2009, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

also what bhp did this craigs run on somone elses rr?

pm saxo180 he will be able to tell you.

11th March 2009, 18:42

you can lead a horse to water,but..........................

11th March 2009, 18:54

tried pming him but it keeps saying theres an error??? would reallyt like to have a chat with this dude my msn is dj_russell_plays_trance@yahoo.co.uk

cheers

11th March 2009, 19:02

Database is having issues atm.

11th March 2009, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

tried pming him but it keeps saying theres an error??? would reallyt like to have a chat with this dude my msn is dj_russell_plays_trance@yahoo.co.uk

cheers

ur abit of a cock really mate ur car does not have 180bhp the 180 l.a.d conversion does not have 180bhp , i know all about l.a.d i had headwork done by them on my vts with the work i had done they said it would be 170bhp on there rollers it did show 170bhp ish ,but there rollers was tottal wank ,
so i took it to motorscoop in north allerton and it showed 146bhp ,after that i cammed it and had it on chipwizzards rollers and ran 157bhp .

so listen to what people are telling u get it on a proper set of rollers and u may see 160 bhp tops but that will be it

my vts was quick ran 0-60 in 5.9 sec and 1/4 mile in 14.5 sec but was no were near 180bhp

11th March 2009, 19:59

big LOL at this thread, its not even possible to run that bhp on standard inlet thats why people buy upgraded cams just to get 150 plus sooo why asnt this thread been locked lol ?

11th March 2009, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4r3n

sooo why asnt this thread been locked lol ?

because its an open debate. Thats why im a moderator and you are not

And btw standard inlet is refering to the inlet manifold/throttle body set up and not the cam

11th March 2009, 20:05

dosent need locking maybe it will help a few people that dont understand that u have to spend lots of money and know what u are doing to get anywere near 180bhp

11th March 2009, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

because its an open debate. Thats why im a moderator and you are not

And btw standard inlet is refering to the inlet manifold/throttle body set up and not the cam

i do no what a inlet is... and i was just saying with you saying people buying catcams and that, there was ment to be a commer and plus after the standard inlet bit sorry grammer is crap.

yes you are the mod and im not lol !

edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

dosent need locking maybe it will help a few people that dont understand that u have to spend lots of money and know what u are doing to get anywere near 180bhp

thats a good point didnt think of looking at it in that way

11th March 2009, 20:09

*changes name to saxo120ish*

11th March 2009, 20:10

Saxo180 didnt run at the RR.
The best figure from a N/A Saxo was 162.4BHP (infact from any Saxo), thats with head work, ported and polished throttle body, ph3's and a superchip (we think it was). And without going down forced induction/throttle bodies or piles of dosh I dont think that it is possible to go much further (ie - to 180BHP).

11th March 2009, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo180

*changes name to saxo120ish*

might go for Saxo162.4 then lol, actually Nij162.4 sounds better haha

11th March 2009, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

dosent need locking maybe it will help a few people that dont understand that u have to spend lots of money and know what u are doing to get anywere near 180bhp

you rate Motorscope in Northallerton do you Andy?

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11th March 2009, 20:12

falcus's made 163hp when mapped, i think finns old vts made 165hp aswell, and im sure camp daves was over 160??
never seen any make more than 170hp on standard TB though.

11th March 2009, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

you rate Motorscope in Northallerton do you Andy?

ads

i would go there again, i had my cam timing tweeked there a couple year ago.

11th March 2009, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

you rate Motorscope in Northallerton do you Andy?

ads

didnt say i rate them mate just went with 106 owners on a rolling road day

think chip wizards rollers are true and bhp in leeds were yorkshire sec had rolling road day on sunday

11th March 2009, 20:16

i ran 153 at chipwizards and 150 at motorscope so they both seem to be accurate.
although, iirc there was about 10hp difference in whp between the 2.

11th March 2009, 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

ive emailed lad now, i dont really know alot about saxos but i want to find out what they have to say.

my cars got over 6 grands worth of recipts for it and on quite a few they claim my car is running 180bhp and on another sheet it says 185bhp. it seriously must be making at least 160bhp with the mods its got id of thought. its pissing me off now some point i shall get it on the rr. ill try and scan all there paperwork up its got a folder full. deffo is not on tbs though.

ill post the pics up of my car in the car thread.

have you got throttle bodies? ya or na?

11th March 2009, 20:19

WHP differences usually are more about the calulation people use, unless its MAHAs in which case its if they have calibrated them correctly.

11th March 2009, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

have you got throttle bodies? ya or na?

hes said he doesnt.

11th March 2009, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

also what bhp did this craigs run on somone elses rr?

iirc just over 140bhp. Dont quote me.

11th March 2009, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

hes said he doesnt.

hmmm

11th March 2009, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

i would go there again, i had my cam timing tweeked there a couple year ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

didnt say i rate them mate just went with 106 owners on a rolling road day

think chip wizards rollers are true and bhp in leeds were yorkshire sec had rolling road day on sunday

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

i ran 153 at chipwizards and 150 at motorscope so they both seem to be accurate.
although, iirc there was about 10hp difference in whp between the 2.

interesting my laddo's... Naa it's just I hail from there so if they're decent then I can pick their brains for things.

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11th March 2009, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

WHP differences usually are more about the calulation people use, unless its MAHAs in which case its if they have calibrated them correctly.

should whp not be the same and the differences be in the fwhp?

it does tend to be the whp that varies though.

11th March 2009, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

interesting my laddo's... Naa it's just I hail from there so if they're decent then I can pick their brains for things.

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they tend to have a few rally cars in when ive been down.

11th March 2009, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

should whp not be the same and the differences be in the fwhp?

it does tend to be the whp that varies though.

That's mad if the differences are at the wheelz... maybe ambient temps? better air supply?

my standard VTS got 137hp at the fly...

yeaaaaaaaaaa rite.

11th March 2009, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

iirc just over 140bhp. Dont quote me.

Bought mine as the 2nd owner with 60 odd K on the clock. LAD conversion was done at 3k

When I bought it I took it to a RR session/diagnostics and it ran 126bhp!

After this I replaced a load of faulty sensors and plugs, fitted 708s and had a live map when it ran 152bhp. Since then gone back to standard cams and ecu, just have exhaust, induction and the remnants of the LAD headwork and ran 141 with the cat.

To be fair, if that's a true figure then the headwork can't be too shabby

11th March 2009, 20:26

from what i gather, LADs work isnt bad, just there power claims, just advertising really.

11th March 2009, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

should whp not be the same and the differences be in the fwhp?

it does tend to be the whp that varies though.

Yep was meant to say flyHP marc.

WHP is effected more about the calibration of the rollers fly more about the calculations of the WHP

11th March 2009, 20:28

ah right, well i got 3hp difference at fly, and 10hp difference at wheels??

11th March 2009, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

from what i gather, LADs work isnt bad, just there power claims, just advertising really.

yep lads work has had some great reviews from different owners. Just everyone knows you might aswell run your car on a mouse powered cotton reel and then do an excel graph, which will still be more accuarte than lads rollers

11th March 2009, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by williamsvts

ah right, well i got 3hp difference at fly, and 10hp difference at wheels??

So would be that the rollers are totally differently calibrated (although ambient temps etc.....) then they prob dont use the same calculation for a fly figure. As most rolling roads the fly figure is a guestamate based on an estimated tranny loss, MAHAs are meant to calculate the tranny loss on run down, although again depends how well calibrated.

11th March 2009, 23:21

ive just read through the entire thread and and i love threads like these! its a classic case of chinese whispers again! while we are on the topic of power and uprated cams etcid like to have an input. i too have spent quite abit of cash on my spaxo, its cammed, all breathing mods etc except its never been mapped. it has 132 bhp at fly. which is shit tbh

11th March 2009, 23:34

One of my customers who went to a rolling road near him after I mapped him up on a Predator made 139bhp.

He then met someone who had a 155bhp ChipWizards tune, and was very surprised to find that actually his car was at least as fast.

Since I didn't set the cam timing up on this engine, the customer then had the cams swung round a bit and the map slightly altered to suit (no fuel alterations, just 2 degrees more advance up top power as I recall) and now he has 148bhp.

I wonder how the 155bhp car would do now?

Your car is just as fast after a disappointing RR day as it was when you loved it before-hand.

Don't get caught up in it people!! Don't be sold a piece of paper!

Kind regards
Andy

11th March 2009, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

One of my customers who went to a rolling road near him after I mapped him up on a Predator made 139bhp.

He then met someone who had a 155bhp ChipWizards tune, and was very surprised to find that actually his car was at least as fast.

Since I didn't set the cam timing up on this engine, the customer then had the cams swung round a bit and the map slightly altered to suit (no fuel alterations, just 2 degrees more advance up top power as I recall) and now he has 148bhp.

I wonder how the 155bhp car would do now?

Your car is just as fast after a disappointing RR day as it was when you loved it before-hand.

Don't get caught up in it people!! Don't be sold a piece of paper!

Kind regards
Andy

So much truth in this post.

Fergs car is a prime example,
makes low RR figures in comparison to others, but on the road performs really well.

11th March 2009, 23:44

its a bit unfair to pick on dj_russell. If he has forked out all that money then its a shame really.

11th March 2009, 23:58

^^^ Thanks Karl. LOL

In all seriousness it's true ... Mine always seem to get low RR figures but in the real world it did resonably well against Karl's 154 BHP VTS.

12th March 2009, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

...Don't be sold a piece of paper!
Andy

...and the moral of the story is ^^^

12th March 2009, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferg

^^^ Thanks Karl. LOL

In all seriousness it's true ... Mine always seem to get low RR figures but in the real world it did resonably well against Karl's 154 BHP VTS.

R Reg Nova takes the lead.....

12th March 2009, 14:18

definately not on tbs mate, im just intregued there was no need to call me a cock i just want to know info on my car as far as i can see its had bits added on top that lad hadnt done, its had a superchip and a remap on the chip, 4-2-1 straight through, induction , lad cams , lad cy head and spitfire plugs, engine mounts, uprated clutch,uprated gearbox,gearbox mounts, gearbox bearings, all around grooved and drilled disks and some other things. id be happy if it made 150-160bhp,

id say thatd feel about right tbf performancewise because it really does move compared to my mates old vts. i do plan on tbs next after ive changed bonnet and cituning spoiler.

ive found a nice cf bonnet and im looking for the standard vts spoiler once there done probably a set of gaz coilovers then tbs, after that strip out cage harnesses and buckets job done. and if im still not bored by then. then maybe save up for a turbo.

but in seriousness guys pick on me all you want i never spent a penny on it so far ive only had this car a week i was after a run around tbf because im saving or WAS meant to be saving for an evo 7 the end of the year. i bought this car for a good price anyway and ive played with some fast things like i say at 120mph all while rolling an evo 6 only got 2-3 car lengths away from me in my eyes thats fantastic ok if wed carried on hed of easily pulled further and further.

im totally hooked on this car now and i think i shall be keeping it for a long time pieces of paper mean nothing to me if it was only running 140bhp well i beat an r32 golf off the line that has a 0-60 of 6.5 thats good enough for me. i think this car is going to be worth the hole in my pocket it never gets boring.

12th March 2009, 14:29

either way guys i fully enjoy this car for how it drives and gos that is god enough for me and thats what matters i honestly never realised how awesome saxos are. also if i gradually accelerate in second when it puts the power down it can wheel spin in second lol. im glad i never spent the 6000 plus though getting it to whatever its running, as it would be dissapointment but then id of questioned it and done my homework 1st before having it done. for the cash this car was a steal. i spent how many weeks viewing battered vtss.

12th March 2009, 14:38

ok mate may be bit harsh calling u a cock just u didnt seen to be taking any notice of the advice people were giving u , i had my vts for 4 years and had sum good fun in it on and off the track . if u do ring l.a.d ask ernie about my blue vts im sure he will be happy to tell u all about it

12th March 2009, 15:36

Love these threads <3 x x

Just a question...

Has anyone confronted LAD ? Like said look this 180bhp saxo is 145? Or w.e ?

12th March 2009, 16:23

You say a r32 has a 0-60 of 6.5 ? A standard vts ain't really that far of it tbh. Sure the Saxo only has 120bhp but it out performs many higher powered cars on the road something I'm sure the vts owners on here would all agree on. As andy said back in the thread his car running around 150bhp clocked a sub 6 second 0-60. That's quick in anyone books

12th March 2009, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy-VTS

You say a r32 has a 0-60 of 6.5 ? A standard vts ain't really that far of it tbh. Sure the Saxo only has 120bhp but it out performs many higher powered cars on the road something I'm sure the vts owners on here would all agree on. As andy said back in the thread his car running around 150bhp clocked a sub 6 second 0-60. That's quick in anyone books

Andy's saxo was more like an engine, steering wheel and a seat. Lol.

He took weight saving to the next level.

12th March 2009, 16:28

12th March 2009, 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

Feckin hell!!!

12th March 2009, 17:16

ive emailed them and said everyone says 180bhps aload of bollocks, and i asked to see if they had any more info on my car they havent replyed back yet, even though ive asked for a price on tbs aswell.

12th March 2009, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_russell

ive emailed them and said everyone says 180bhps aload of bollocks, and i asked to see if they had any more info on my car they havent replyed back yet, even though ive asked for a price on tbs aswell.

ring them they dont get on well with computers mate

12th March 2009, 17:32

5.98 seconds is amazing! really impressive!

12th March 2009, 18:17

theres a limited editioon one called Saxo VTS San Remo its 160bhp as standard

12th March 2009, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTR_DaZ

theres a limited editioon one called Saxo VTS San Remo its 160bhp as standard

As stated in the thread a few times, its not a limited edition by citroen themselves, it was done by a garage in manchester.

22nd March 2009, 11:15

do you mean the saxo super 1600?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/css/saxo/saxos1600.html

22nd March 2009, 11:56

no he meant the tour de corse
there are a few on here and tbh they seem very hit and miss
some lads love them
ive seen a few that are ruined after just a few thousand miles

22nd March 2009, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

thats what poly carb windows, carbon fibre bonnets and running down a quarter mile with hardly any fuel, one seat in and your fuel for your drive home hidden in a near by field does to your 0-60 time OO YEA!

one day my car will be that fast i hope. well.... when it wants to actually work anyway!

22nd March 2009, 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywiddss1

what car was that in?

22nd March 2009, 14:17

cammed and stripped vts

22nd March 2009, 14:18

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Originally Posted by raunchz

cammed and stripped vts

thanks

22nd March 2009, 14:21

http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/saxo-evo-review.html
here it is !!

22nd March 2009, 14:22

http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/saxo-evo.html
and again

22nd March 2009, 14:32

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Originally Posted by jware92

http://www.ladmotorsport.co.uk/saxo-evo.html
and again

ive just read through that rubbish, i want the wasted 5 mins of my life back!

22nd March 2009, 15:45

wish i knew what my LAD engine made, sold it before it was in the car,

22nd March 2009, 16:15

I read upto the point...

This is a unique and quite remarkable vehicle which will pass the likes of Cossies and Imprezzas with ease (try letting them get on your tailpipe and then press go and say bye, bye!)

Then clicked off...

22nd March 2009, 16:48

i would like to see one of there cars ran on an independant rolling road. to see what the actual power output is. i no craig (saxo180) on here has a LAD engined spaxo and he took the cams out and went back to standard and he also went back to a standard map. he still got a respectable 144@fly iirc

14th May 2009, 09:22

hi i have a saxo running very near to 200bhp its had about 2500 in mods for the engine all done by performance pug

14th May 2009, 09:36

hero!!!!!!!!!

14th May 2009, 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by ch45e

hi i have a saxo running very near to 200bhp its had about 2500 in mods for the engine all done by performance pug

To get anywhere near 200bhp you'll have had to spend a hell of a lot more than 2.5k

14th May 2009, 10:01

2.5k will see you breathed,cammed and headwork i would say.

14th May 2009, 10:02

Which in turn would be approx 150-160

14th May 2009, 11:01

All you need is breathing mods and you'll be like, 140Bhp on a 80k engine and the fastest thing on the road. Hmmmm.

People wank over shitty, willy waving, pub talk crap like bhp figures. LAD Motorsport know this, hence the Saxo180 etc.

Makes me megalol that people actualy believe all of this crap. 'A rolling road said my car was 142bhp at the fly with a Magnex and a K&N so IT MUST BE TRUE'. iLol.

Not aimed at anyone btw, just a rant

Interesting thread.

14th May 2009, 17:39

i seem to have the only lad motorsport saxo with still all the genuine lad bits on this forum mines a 180 im guessing 150bhp but im booking a rolling road day so ill let you all know what it makes. could be 125bhp which would be a pisser lol.

14th May 2009, 19:59

hi have all the paper work to provr the engine i had fitted buy pug_performance was at 180bhp before the rest of the mods i had done go on there website and check it out

14th May 2009, 23:08

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Originally Posted by ch45e

hi have all the paper work to provr the engine i had fitted buy pug_performance was at 180bhp before the rest of the mods i had done go on there website and check it out

Care to share with me the spec. I know colin so no personal issues there hes a good laugh and has done some fun cars, although I know people who have owned the '180 bhp engines' that they sold which were made by longmans and they didnt make 180bhp on the rollers after.

2.5K wont see 200bhp if its NA thats for sure, although boosted can quite easily. Most engines to hit 200NA need about 6-7k depending on who builds it.

14th May 2009, 23:18

probably just another flying pig like my saxo, ive got the printouts and written proof from lad that mine was 180bhp, its like any engine mod though the big companys are getting away with selling air filters that increase bhp by 14bhp and thats a lie when your talking about them being on a 1.1.

14th May 2009, 23:25

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Originally Posted by dj_russell

probably just another flying pig like my saxo, ive got the printouts and written proof from lad that mine was 180bhp, its like any engine mod though the big companys are getting away with selling air filters that increase bhp by 14bhp and thats a lie when your talking about them being on a 1.1.

Nah they were longmans engines, although they were all built to the same spec using the same map from when one was first mapped on the engine dyno.. I just have known someone having one

14th May 2009, 23:25

haha 180 bhp vts as standerd that will be the day

16th May 2009, 18:57

any more than 150 - 160 and u have trouble using it all, decent suspension and brake setup can be worth its weight in gold on a track rather than a million french horses.
Mine made 124.9 totally standard on bhp tuners rollers

16th May 2009, 19:41

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Originally Posted by VtsTom

"Upgrade " consists of:suspension stiffened and lowered by 60mm.
16inch alloys with 195s instead of std 185s
up rated brakes.
few cosmetics spoiler,stickers and stuff.

10bhp there atleast

the 180bhp was a complete gimmic

ive yet to see a figure higher than 167bhp thats a road based engine

16th May 2009, 19:49

People don't seem to realise that RR figures (flywheel) are estimates.
Take mine for example, mine (3 plug VTR), on a RR made 103bhp atf (est)
Now, a mate, on a different RR, has got my old engine, with a 'stage 3' silvertop head, a cam, and 3 plug ECU (so only a blacktop bottom end), his made 108bhp.
Now, i'm all for believing it, but in reality, that cam and 'stage 3' head making only 5bhp more than mine?

Different rollers, different calculations for fly figures. Only once i've been on the same rollers will I compare. Unless everyone's used the same rollers, comparing flywheel figures with others is all pub talk.

16th May 2009, 19:54

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Originally Posted by VTSTomE

2.5k will see you breathed,cammed and headwork i would say.

I spent a little less than that and I have 162BHP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ch45e

hi i have a saxo running very near to 200bhp its had about 2500 in mods for the engine all done by performance pug

So if you can tell me how to find another 37 horse or so with the remainding £900 id be a happy man.

Engine consists of;
Newman PH3 cams
Head Work
Polished and Ported TB
4-2-1 mani
Magnex exhaust
Custom airfilter and pipe
Chipped ECU

16th May 2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by titchster

Now, i'm all for believing it, but in reality, that cam and 'stage 3' head making only 5bhp more than mine?

maybe it was specifically made to make power all way through rev range as apposed to at the top?

when i was last at the dyno people laughed when my mates 2.0 golf made less power than some other 1.8s

but then wonder why he spanks all of them every single time

RR figures quote the highest bhp figure which is more than likely at the top if the rev range, its all about constant power imo all the way from the word go

16th May 2009, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Nij

I spent a little less than that and I have 162BHP.

So if you can tell me how to find another 37 horse or so with the remainding £900 id be a happy man.

Engine consists of;
Newman PH3 cams
Head Work
Polished and Ported TB
4-2-1 mani
Magnex exhaust
Custom airfilter and pipe
Chipped ECU

have you not changed the inlet mani in any way shape or form? i emailed a bloke who claimed 167bhp and he sent me pics of his inlet mani having work on it

why not run TB's?

16th May 2009, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Alex_Oldroyd

any more than 150 - 160 and u have trouble using it all, decent suspension and brake setup can be worth its weight in gold on a track rather than a million french horses.
Mine made 124.9 totally standard on bhp tuners rollers

I dont have trouble using between 180-200bhp

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

10bhp there atleast

the 180bhp was a complete gimmic

ive yet to see a figure higher than 167bhp thats a road based engine

*waves*

16th May 2009, 21:04

ahh ryan ive pmed you iirc

yeh as said ive never seen anyone with a proven figure higher than 167 but ive never chased figures in the pug world, honda however, doe get me started!

i bet your spec must be awsome!?

got any build up threads/spec lists?

dont wanna hi-jack the thread but i want to build a quick 16v track car and what ive allways thought is that fact that its a 1.6, so is never worth spending the money!?

16th May 2009, 21:06

see the link in my sig to the progress thread.

im a bit more than the 160s

16th May 2009, 21:08

fuk a shit, did i just read 198BHP? <drools>

16th May 2009, 21:44

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Originally Posted by nath106

fuk a shit, did i just read 198BHP? <drools>

Ja, rollers are sceptical but it made 184 when freshly made, so should be a bit more now its freed up (was mapped with 50miles on it) it needs the mapping tweeking so should see a bit more aswell.

16th May 2009, 21:53

thats damn awsome mate!

i dont surpose you were at brands hatch on the 20th of feb?

if so did you see a lil white s1 bombing round?

did you get my pm ok?

17th May 2009, 00:46

Nah last time i was at brands was late jan iirc, not driven the car since then as its having an entire rewire of the car because of an electrical fault we discovered/it broke

I posted in the thread about the cams

17th May 2009, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nij

I spent a little less than that and I have 162BHP.

So if you can tell me how to find another 37 horse or so with the remainding £900 id be a happy man.

Engine consists of;
Newman PH3 cams
Head Work
Polished and Ported TB
4-2-1 mani
Magnex exhaust
Custom airfilter and pipe
Chipped ECU

what did you get at the wheels?

17th May 2009, 13:40

my old vts had 15bhp at the wheels all it had done to it was 421 air ilter.but the bloke that had it befor me raced saxo so think it mite have a couple of tweeks

17th May 2009, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxojamesb

my old vts had 15bhp at the wheels all it had done to it was 421 air ilter.but the bloke that had it befor me raced saxo so think it mite have a couple of tweeks

15 bhp yea?

seens abit under powered?

17th May 2009, 13:48

lol 150bhp would be well pist i was only 15 lol

17th May 2009, 13:54

you got 150 bhp at the wheels from a manifold and an air filter?

17th May 2009, 13:56

150 ATW from just a filter and manifold? So about 180ATF?

Ponders the 60bhp inprovement there

17th May 2009, 14:03

yeah had it rolling roaded at my mates place they was shocked when i got the car it ws fast so think it had been played with

17th May 2009, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxojamesb

yeah had it rolling roaded at my mates place they was shocked when i got the car it ws fast so think it had been played with

there is no way in hell your saxo got 150 at the wheels from a manifold an an air filter.

ive got a cammed and mapped vts thats got 137.1 at the wheels

im not having that for a min

17th May 2009, 14:08

lol dnt have it then doesnt bother me lol i did have print out but went with car lol

17th May 2009, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxojamesb

lol dnt have it then doesnt bother me lol i did have print out but went with car lol

lordy lordy!!!

17th May 2009, 14:14

dreamers

17th May 2009, 14:14

lol dnt na what it had done to it tho

17th May 2009, 14:17

just spoke to the lad u was right was 150@fly sorry every one lol

17th May 2009, 14:25

tard

17th May 2009, 14:25

lol enit stupid me lol

17th May 2009, 14:45

Damn i was just about to offer you a 600bhp ebay resistor chip for a grand.

17th May 2009, 15:40

even still 150 at fly from just an air filter and a manifold?

17th May 2009, 15:45

hahahahahahaha

RR can be made to read what ever you want. print outs mean shit tbh.

17th May 2009, 15:47

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

hahahahahahaha

RR can be made to read what ever you want. print outs mean shit tbh.

agreed

ash leeds106 about his trip to bog brothers on there dyno.

they did a silly dyno run to prove what could be done, 400 bhp at wheels from a VTS powered AX LMFAO!!!

just goes to show

17th May 2009, 15:48

haha, he should of got the printout, then it must be real!!!!!!!!

17th May 2009, 15:54

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Originally Posted by gouldy87

agreed

ash leeds106 about his trip to bog brothers on there dyno.

they did a silly dyno run to prove what could be done, 400 bhp at wheels from a VTS powered AX LMFAO!!!

just goes to show

Every Rolling road in the country can be manipulated/calibrated differently. When people have a few runs done on independant rollers at different locations that are say not that of those by the mapper its easy to get an average/see if theres anything silly going on.

17th May 2009, 16:18

This thread reminds me of the good old "300hp renault 5 gt-trubo" ones LOL

I think the only way to gauge what hp your relly running is to get it rolled when you frist get it then use the same rollers as your mods progress. Every set of rollers are worked out different ways as posted about 50 times above.

Matt.

17th May 2009, 16:23

I have just got a electric supercharger off ebay it says 40bhp+ what other mods should I do?

*Sniggers*

17th May 2009, 16:54

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Originally Posted by -Jason-

I have just got a electric supercharger off ebay it says 40bhp+ what other mods should I do?

*Sniggers*

Go faster stripes, turn your fog lights on and then buy some lexus lights for minimal weight.

Also, ive heard using 4 superchargers works best.

18th May 2009, 18:37

wasnt it a san monero or sumat ???

18th May 2009, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Ryan

They didnt. You have to spend alot of money to go get 180+

they did make them. lol

18th May 2009, 21:04

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Originally Posted by DaveyBoy

they did make them. lol

Believe me, they didnt...

18th May 2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by DaveyBoy

they did make them. lol

+1 they didnt