euro stance- super low

13th March 2009, 23:43

got a set of gaz coilovers on the way, so will be intially dropping 65mm on the front and 80mm on the rear. Thats the coilovers right down. Will go lower but have to remove helper springs or replace with smaller ones

What sort of problems will i come across, how often are my driveshafts likely to go? can u get smaller bumpstops for lowered cars? where can i get smaller helper springs from? anything else i need to consider?

14th March 2009, 01:34

Or you could take the bumpstops out? Driveshafts - Depends on how you drive it, take into account speedbumps, potholes all these things are going to take there toll on them.

14th March 2009, 01:58

the angle the driveshafts are sat will fuck them up

14th March 2009, 05:50

Am intreasted to know too

14th March 2009, 06:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackvtrt

got a set of gaz coilovers on the way, so will be intially dropping 65mm on the front and 80mm on the rear. Thats the coilovers right down. Will go lower but have to remove helper springs or replace with smaller ones

What sort of problems will i come across, how often are my driveshafts likely to go? can u get smaller bumpstops for lowered cars? where can i get smaller helper springs from? anything else i need to consider?

first of all mate euro stance aint just slamming your car its about having stance on the floor in the location of where the wheels sit in your arches but if your taking the euro route lowering your car is a good start.

i wouldnt ditch the helpers either and replacing for smaller ones wont help much, because the helpers only there to stop spring rattle when cornering and weights lifted off the spring. so in effect replacing with smaller wont change anything because the helper spring bottoms its self out once the weight of the car is applied from what iv seen from some coilover applications like fk, h&r and i can be 90% sure thats going to happen on your gaz's too.

iv been down low low for 6 months easy maybe longer now and my driveshafts are fine im lowered around 90mm up front and 100mm on the rear. i measured and set it up myself so i know its this low theres shit loads of speedhumps by me and i always avoid potholes anyways as a rule to save my tyres wheels shell etc etc, regards smaller bumpstops you can replace the bumpstops and im not sure what gaz kit youve got but iirc from my research of coilover kits the gaz run hard springs somewhere in the region of 225lb-300lb and well if you can hit the bumpstops with them your driving to hard on the road on track yea ok i could understand that cause clipping the odd kurb and that, but for daily driving if your bumpstopping out then your driving way to fast onto speedhumps and your aiming for potholes.

personally id just fit the gaz's wind them down and just be happy with them

you may want to consider tyre profiles too i mean im running 165/50/15 potenzas because 195/45/15's rub on my archs when i steer and even with the smaller tyres my front archs nearly touch the tyre still on full lock theres proberly 5mm there if that.

hope that helps you mate

14th March 2009, 10:47

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Originally Posted by LEE_VTR1

first of all mate euro stance aint just slamming your car its about having stance on the floor in the location of where the wheels sit in your arches but if your taking the euro route lowering your car is a good start.

i wouldnt ditch the helpers either and replacing for smaller ones wont help much, because the helpers only there to stop spring rattle when cornering and weights lifted off the spring. so in effect replacing with smaller wont change anything because the helper spring bottoms its self out once the weight of the car is applied from what iv seen from some coilover applications like fk, h&r and i can be 90% sure thats going to happen on your gaz's too.

iv been down low low for 6 months easy maybe longer now and my driveshafts are fine im lowered around 90mm up front and 100mm on the rear. i measured and set it up myself so i know its this low theres shit loads of speedhumps by me and i always avoid potholes anyways as a rule to save my tyres wheels shell etc etc, regards smaller bumpstops you can replace the bumpstops and im not sure what gaz kit youve got but iirc from my research of coilover kits the gaz run hard springs somewhere in the region of 225lb-300lb and well if you can hit the bumpstops with them your driving to hard on the road on track yea ok i could understand that cause clipping the odd kurb and that, but for daily driving if your bumpstopping out then your driving way to fast onto speedhumps and your aiming for potholes.

personally id just fit the gaz's wind them down and just be happy with them

you may want to consider tyre profiles too i mean im running 165/50/15 potenzas because 195/45/15's rub on my archs when i steer and even with the smaller tyres my front archs nearly touch the tyre still on full lock theres proberly 5mm there if that.

hope that helps you mate

Absolutley spot on, read the gaz will go lower but only recommend 65mm drop, aint going mm of the floor low, just ill prob be running 14" wheels and going lower than most go to get a little bit of tuck until I can afford wider wheels then it will be poke. I dont thrash my car about or anything anyway so if there quite a stiff spring dont think ill be hitting the bumpstops to often after reading the above. Ill drop it on the wheels i've got at the mo and the tyrers and see if i have any issues. For reference there the budget gaz coiovers the £400 odd ones not the £800+ ones

14th March 2009, 11:09

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Originally Posted by blackvtrt

Absolutley spot on, read the gaz will go lower but only recommend 65mm drop, aint going mm of the floor low, just ill prob be running 14" wheels and going lower than most go to get a little bit of tuck until I can afford wider wheels then it will be poke. I dont thrash my car about or anything anyway so if there quite a stiff spring dont think ill be hitting the bumpstops to often after reading the above. Ill drop it on the wheels i've got at the mo and the tyrers and see if i have any issues. For reference there the budget gaz coiovers the £400 odd ones not the £800+ ones

good shout mate i mean if you have any enquires just email gaz thats how i done my research just email the companys and ask your questions most companys are more than helpful mate

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ouch 65mm and 14's thats going to be hugging speedhumps nicely, mines on 15's and scrapes over them.

even the budget gaz's will be decent spec mate gaz are decent company tbh.

14th March 2009, 14:32

lowered 65mm on 14's will still leave a large gap between the tyre and the arch. you will need to go lower on 14's then you would on 15's to get the same look.

i think chandlers car was down 100mm on the front and there was still a fair gap between the tyre and the arch. it's much easier to achieve a good stance with 15's on a saxo.

14th March 2009, 16:02

ye its on 15x7" ford dished wheels at the moment, old car was down around 60mm on springs and the rear sat just over the top of the tyres. The reason I said 65mm is because thats as low as GAZ recommend going so was gonna drop it down to that see where im at then go from there. N hopefully il have a set of wide 8's front 9's rear 14" wheels to go on eventually but we'll see how low ive got to go with 15's first. Even though ill be going from tuck to poke so prob need to be completely different

15th March 2009, 13:41

ive done a couple coilover kits for super low riding now, lee is using one of my set ups.

the main thing ive found is the damper will bottom out if your running super low, and the front arb will just permantly on the chassi so i extender plate is needed. im getting coilbound atm so a harder spring with less coils will be on order tomorrow i hope

18th March 2009, 09:54

could you go down 65mm on standard shocks ?

18th March 2009, 19:22

not really, ud be bounching everywhere on bump stops,u need them to be stiffer to help it from bottoming out. machining 20mm off the top of the shock helps increase travel over standard to.

24th March 2009, 12:31

bit confused about these, howcome they dont come with helper springs? I thought the idea of helper springs was there fully compressed when loaded, but when the load is taken of the helpers, help the main spring stay under tension and locate?

24th March 2009, 12:33

if the damper is short enough then helpers arent needed

24th March 2009, 12:54

ha that simple! so do u recon the spring will go lower than 65mm then?

24th March 2009, 12:55

id depends on a few things mate

24th March 2009, 13:33

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Originally Posted by Alex-VTS

id depends on a few things mate

like what?

24th March 2009, 17:52

8o mm on the back!!!! woooah