cheapest option?

19th March 2009, 20:31

what would be cheaper,cam my vtr or get an s conversion?

please include all labour and oils n shite on the price as im thinking of doing 1 of the above

19th March 2009, 20:34

if you want to keep your vtr, cam it. I dont know why people have an s conversion because you still need to insure it as a vts, which is more on a policy than a standard registered vts.
if you want a vts engine, sell your vtr and buy a vts. if you dont, then cams + mapping ftw

19th March 2009, 20:37

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Originally Posted by evans1089

if you want to keep your vtr, cam it. I dont know why people have an s conversion because you still need to insure it as a vts, which is more on a policy than a standard registered vts.
if you want a vts engine, sell your vtr and buy a vts. if you dont, then cams + mapping ftw

mine costs about the same as a standard vts - mine is a modified westcoast with a vts conversion.

19th March 2009, 20:39

but still not worth that extra you pay, then hassel of changing it on log book etc. at least cams and remap can be done in a day.

19th March 2009, 20:42

16v all the way 8v's are old school and limited. start with a good base and build on it. mine is breathed and made in excess f 140 whereas it would have to be highly tuned to make an 8v that powerful!

19th March 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by vtr-tec

16v all the way 8v's are old school and limited. start with a good base and build on it. mine is breathed and made in excess f 140 whereas it would have to be highly tuned to make an 8v that powerful!

I'm trying mate.. haha

Cant bring myself to save for a month to get a standalone though for tb's

19th March 2009, 20:48

still no rough prices though?

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Originally Posted by vtr-tec

16v all the way 8v's are old school and limited. start with a good base and build on it. mine is breathed and made in excess f 140 whereas it would have to be highly tuned to make an 8v that powerful!

and with getting a 16v i also get an extra £1200 on my insurance mate hence the reason i can only afford an 8v

lol

19th March 2009, 22:10

depends what cams you want and who to map and fit etc

19th March 2009, 22:18

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Originally Posted by vtr-tec

16v all the way 8v's are old school and limited. start with a good base and build on it. mine is breathed and made in excess f 140 whereas it would have to be highly tuned to make an 8v that powerful!

if your telling the truth that is a very good power to get from breathing mods! by any chance was your engine out of a w reg vts? (single plug ecu with prongs on the front of the head for the EGR valve but no valve actually there)

20th March 2009, 00:31

bullshit did you get 20bhp out of breathing mods.

20th March 2009, 00:46

if your going to do an s conversion you need to tell insurance and change on logbook, other wise its illegal and voids your insurance and you can get fooked for it, but erm it depends how much you pick an engine up for and labour mostly, but i think an average price for an average 16v with ecu loom, box etc your looking at say 400 for a low mileage one, then theres things that you are goiong to want to change like oil, oilfilter, plugs just a good service, cambelt etc and then labour of doing it, id say around 900ish to say 1100 or 1200, it all depends on labour really mate, i bet you could pick up an engine and all the service parts for less than 500 then its just the labour as its a good couple of days work imo for a garage anyway

erm as for camming 8v again the costs can vary, on what you do, like if you run s1 rallye inlet, what cam you go for as catcams are dearer than say newmans, erm plus the remap costs can vary alot depending on who you go to, and once again the labour

so just say you got cam and pully, and good remap from say chipwizards thats 450 for a remap there and the best there is, your looking at say 700 to 800 depending on the costs of cam and pully, then your going to need to do things like headskim headgasket etc your probs looking at 1k before labour costs, imo your looking at a good 1300 to 1400 to cam a vtr inc labour and parts

from that depending on type of cam and other mods to compliment, you could see 125bhp at very most

and a vts breathered, maybe 135bhp at most, but the cam will give vtr better torque due to the cam so really it could keep up with a vts imo it ouwld be close

either way its not cheap for a good job, imo your best doing it your self as you could half them prices easy well the conversion, caming the 8v would cost 1k if your doing it yourself

or even finding someone you know whos good at this and giving him a few quid, orrrr even better someone off here there are plenty of people who have done both these and im sure will be more than happy to help you for a bit of cash there way and you can trust them more than say a garage lol

sorry its a bit of an essay but thought id explain it a bit better lol

hope this has helped

20th March 2009, 14:46

will be thinking about this

20th March 2009, 23:49

yer do have a think mate, both are good options

i have been told by qep and kamracing to expect around 135bhp maybe 140bhp from camming my vtr, soo if you do the right things you can make good amount of power

but again both are great ideas, depends what your after though to be fair mate

i just fancied staying 8v lol