Important! : Hi Specs - Big brakes

21st March 2009, 14:30

hi all
i am looking to buy some hi specs as i want a new front set.
they seem good value at near £500 for 4 pots. few questions ......

Can anyone verify what they are like everyday, as i will be using them everyday. in other words do they supply pads and what are they like, or am i best buying new pads.? hard to get heat in ???

Can anyone also tell me what the difference is between the 'economy' conversion and 'standard' conversion???

http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/Price%2...onversions.htm

and finally i have 15 inch compomotive 5 spoke alloys, can anyone tell me what fitment i can get away with... will 285 x 22 fit for example or 280 x 22

thanks

21st March 2009, 14:40

get sum 306gti calipers and discs mate u will get a second hand set for 100 quid and will do the job no problem put new brake fluied in and goodridge hoses

21st March 2009, 14:57

The price there wont be for the full kit I doubt.

Hispec can supply pads (they use volvo 240/480 pads) which Halfords sell soft ones for £12 lol!

The calipers on the normal billet 4s I have, have dust seals so better for everyday use, and work well.

I ran 283mm 2piece discs, and 285mm should fit under the MOs easy as the MOs have a large internal wheel diameter for big brake clearance.

and you can pick up second hand sets for £300-350 with discs/calipers/pads.

21st March 2009, 15:00

285 should fit, i have some under my VTS wheels with my wilwoods, and richie has the same brakes under his comp mo5's.

my discs are 285x22mm just checked.

21st March 2009, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

285 should fit, i have some under my VTS wheels with my wilwoods, and richie has the same brakes under his comp mo5's.

Willwoods calipers are slightly smaller, hence why they can be used under the vts wheels.

The 285 is a standard size disk mind and shouldnt cause any issues.

21st March 2009, 15:02

what do ya think about this deal then guys ... (btw i wanna buy new and not second hand andy)

also do ya have to be a premium member to get them??? ....

http://www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk/spec-bi...ont-p-484.html

21st March 2009, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Ryan

The price there wont be for the full kit I doubt.

Hispec can supply pads (they use volvo 240/480 pads) which Halfords sell soft ones for £12 lol!

The calipers on the normal billet 4s I have, have dust seals so better for everyday use, and work well.

I ran 283mm 2piece discs, and 285mm should fit under the MOs easy as the MOs have a large internal wheel diameter for big brake clearance.

and you can pick up second hand sets for £300-350 with discs/calipers/pads.

the price on there seems to be for a full kit as they list it ^^^

21st March 2009, 15:08

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Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

what do ya think about this deal then guys ... (btw i wanna buy new and not second hand andy)

also do ya have to be a premium member to get them??? ....

http://www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk/spec-bi...ont-p-484.html

Why? you save £200 going second hand, you buy a car with second hand brakes on it

You said you were skint last time I spoke lol!

Anyway, the kit from them usually is a single piece disc for the saxo (not 2 piece as listed), bin the ebc pads, and upgrade them to something non shit.

21st March 2009, 15:09

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Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

the price on there seems to be for a full kit as they list it ^^^

hispec are just a bit strange with their prices online ive found. The site is usually way out of date, and doesnt list whats part of the kit in detail

21st March 2009, 15:12

ye in the drop down menu u can choose mintex 1144 or ferodo ds for an extra £20. do ya need to be a premium member or a reg to get that kit.

i wanna buy new because i have decided to keep the car for a while.

and normally second hand ones are for sale for a reason - cos they wrecked.

what i am worried about though is what they are like everyday, if there is no heat in them. if i use mintex 1144 will they be like my standard setup is when cold. i have heard horror stories of brakes not even working at all with big upgrades etc.

21st March 2009, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Ryan

hispec are just a bit strange with their prices online ive found. The site is usually way out of date, and doesnt list whats part of the kit in detail

ye i no but the price and the list is on big brakes .co.uk for 570

21st March 2009, 15:16

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Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

and normally second hand ones are for sale for a reason - cos they wrecked.

LOL - or because there is more money selling the car off in bits than as a whole. I know several people who have bought second hand sets that have worked perfectly.....

RE heat - 1144s are not hardcore pads so will be perfectly fine, the 4pot caliper bites hard anyway. Im using 1155s in my gti-6brakes and even they have some slight bite from cold even though they are not the best cold. Easy when setting off to just do a few stops anyway to get some heat in before a normal trip.

21st March 2009, 15:31

i got my big brake convo off esp design with red stuff pads an hose for about 600 an they sit under 15'' wheels and ive had no probs with them what so ever fitting wise or brakin from cold

21st March 2009, 15:45

what size are they and make??? and how much room is there.

does anyone know of anyone running hi specs?? with the 285 x 22 fitment
i thought red stuff would cause a problem from cold.

ryan how much room is there on your setup because i have the same alloys as you.

21st March 2009, 15:48

o and will ya need spacers

21st March 2009, 15:50

I have smaller discs though mine are 283mm. And they are not on the track saxo they are still on my old saxo.

every hispec saxo kit bar the 2piece discs are 285 from hispec.

21st March 2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

o and will ya need spacers

only if running vts wheels

21st March 2009, 15:57

there looks to be alot of room there

the hi spec calipers look big though. is anyone using them? and if they aint why arnt they, am i missing something lol

21st March 2009, 16:01

Its the gap between the face of the caliper and the rear face of the wheel.

I cant be fucked to go take a pic as im still enjoying bed.

an old one

21st March 2009, 16:27

kwl they should b ok. have ya ever seen someone running hi specs because i cant find any reviews etc. how do ya measure the clearences because i need to make sure before i order them

21st March 2009, 16:30

I know off the top of my head about 5-6cars with hispecs.

+ many more on other forums with saxos/106s.

Cloud had them (irrc saxo180 bought them)
AlexR had them
I have them
Greensaxo has them
Karl had them
Toad has them
Simo has them (330mm ones iirc)

etc etc.....

21st March 2009, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

what size are they and make??? and how much room is there.

does anyone know of anyone running hi specs?? with the 285 x 22 fitment
i thought red stuff would cause a problem from cold.

ryan how much room is there on your setup because i have the same alloys as you.

mine is the hi-spec 285 22conversion theres room there but not loads as for the pads i got told that and like i said ive had no probs with them

21st March 2009, 16:35

what are mintex 1144 like compared to ferodo ds???

rorz vts - i am from the wirral area to - do you ever do any trackdays at oulton?? what are they like on track etc. do ya get any squeels when using them on the road etc. on big brakes 4 u they are about 620 but ya can get them painted free of charge- u say urs were 600 but was that with pads and discs and painted calipers??? how long did ya have to wait for delivery

21st March 2009, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

I know off the top of my head about 5-6cars with hispecs.

+ many more on other forums with saxos/106s.

Cloud had them (irrc saxo180 bought them)
AlexR had them
I have them
Greensaxo has them
Karl had them
Toad has them
Simo has them (330mm ones iirc)

etc etc.....

cough cough!!!

im also using these.
they will bite harder than any o.e. fitment caliper and more or less all their pads will work well on the road.

the mintex 1144 will be fine for you on track and perform great.

the price you are seeing on the sites are most likely less VAT os have that in mind.

whore time yooo

21st March 2009, 16:59

Sorry Fanny

I was just using a few examples...

pics

and comparrison of discs

21st March 2009, 17:00

nexton the cards for me is the bells and rotors and some proper race pads.

21st March 2009, 17:05

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Originally Posted by dannygti

nexton the cards for me is the bells and rotors and some proper race pads.

£140 per disc and rotor so £280 for a set iirc

I need new rotors but hispec lost the fucking measurments I had them take.

21st March 2009, 17:13

danny gti - how much did ya pay- they are 620 inclusive of VAT. didnt ya get bells and rotors in the coversion? or did ya buy just the calipers. looks like there is more room on comp mos than team dynamics.

21st March 2009, 17:20

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Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

danny gti - how much did ya pay- they are 620 inclusive of VAT. didnt ya get bells and rotors in the coversion? or did ya buy just the calipers. looks like there is more room on comp mos than team dynamics.

i dont pay the same amount you peasants pay

i havnt got the bells and rotors yet, they will be the next thing to get.

there will be sufficient room in both wheels matey.

ryan, surely they can just use the dimensions off their standard 285 disc??
i get discount off bells and rotors but not much, they even said they could give me a spacer for between the caliper so i could use 26mm discs but i think thats ovekill and they will weigh too much.

21st March 2009, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

danny gti - how much did ya pay- they are 620 inclusive of VAT. didnt ya get bells and rotors in the coversion? or did ya buy just the calipers. looks like there is more room on comp mos than team dynamics.

I told you, you dont get 2 piece discs in any normal kit, you have to pay extra.

I ran them with 1.2s and theres a fuck load of room behind the 1.2s.

21st March 2009, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

ryan, surely they can just use the dimensions off their standard 285 disc??
i get discount off bells and rotors but not much, they even said they could give me a spacer for between the caliper so i could use 26mm discs but i think thats ovekill and they will weigh too much.

They need the measurments of where the bolts are they said and all that gubbins, I had them specifically measured when I was last there.

They lost them and told me to bring a disc to them (erm yeah how the fuck do I drive there with 1 disc on the car???)

At least now i have the clio I can do this, just gotta unsieze the mounting bolts from the shell.

21st March 2009, 17:27

lol... i suppose we could probably get a she discount now theres a few of us using them...
when are you going to get some made? anytime soon?

21st March 2009, 17:28

dannyboy what are the brakes like on track. and on the road to. any squeling goin on. how much are replacement discs for them?

21st March 2009, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

lol... i suppose we could probably get a she discount now theres a few of us using them...
when are you going to get some made? anytime soon?

I need some ASAP.

As I want the hispecs on so can flog the GTI-6. And fit the GTI stuff to my old saxo so can fit vtr wheels and move it again lol

21st March 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

dannyboy what are the brakes like on track. and on the road to. any squeling goin on. how much are replacement discs for them?

£70 + vat a disc from hispec

Squeeling is from the pad material usually, so depends on the pad.

The Hispecs rock on track.

21st March 2009, 17:33

like ryan and ive said, they are great on road and track...
you only have to look at the logistics, bigger disc, bigger pad, more pistons etc.

21st March 2009, 17:33

do ya reckon they will have enough force to break my collar bone on my harnesses

that sounds fun. is 620 buff a good price for the coversion discs/pads etc.
also it says its a - saxp member only deal, i am nt premium so will that matter or is regual member ok to get it done

21st March 2009, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

what are mintex 1144 like compared to ferodo ds???

rorz vts - i am from the wirral area to - do you ever do any trackdays at oulton?? what are they like on track etc. do ya get any squeels when using them on the road etc. on big brakes 4 u they are about 620 but ya can get them painted free of charge- u say urs were 600 but was that with pads and discs and painted calipers??? how long did ya have to wait for delivery

it was about a 2weeks give or take i haven't done any track days yet am waiting to get the car how i want it before i do any, as for squeels (what squeels) nada their fine
Im back up on the wirral within the next 2-3 weeks if ya wanna meet up i can show ya

21st March 2009, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

do ya reckon they will have enough force to break my collar bone on my harnesses

that sounds fun. is 620 buff a good price for the coversion discs/pads etc.
also it says its a - saxp member only deal, i am nt premium so will that matter or is regual member ok to get it done

the maximum force will be determined by your tyres not your brakes...
this is what you should base your whole suspension/brak setup on...

if you have regular road tyres then uprated pad in stadard calipers will lock them up. where as if your rocking track tyres you can get bigger brakes and put the tyres to good use essentially.

21st March 2009, 17:50

Group buy on 2piece discs?!

21st March 2009, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

the maximum force will be determined by your tyres not your brakes...
this is what you should base your whole suspension/brak setup on...

if you have regular road tyres then uprated pad in stadard calipers will lock them up. where as if your rocking track tyres you can get bigger brakes and put the tyres to good use essentially.

so you are saying the hi specs will cause my t1r's to lock up?? or do ya mean 247's with good pads will ( i dont have track tyres just t1r's atm)

21st March 2009, 18:02

Hispecs are easy to lock up

Although tends to be the rear you lock first.

21st March 2009, 18:08

cool, would ya need to chance master cylinder or tweak the bias valve at all?? would the toyo t1r's be ok with the hispecs.

21st March 2009, 18:11

saxos dont have a bias valve to tweek.

you have a brake load compensator

21st March 2009, 18:16

well do i jus leave that or get compensating

21st March 2009, 18:24

Ryanal the measurements of the rotors are:

Diameter / No. mounting holes / PCD / Pad swept area
285x24 / 8 /150 / 52

21st March 2009, 18:25

i thought the diameter was 285x22

21st March 2009, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

i thought the diameter was 285x22

Mine are 2piece

21st March 2009, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

Ryanal the measurements of the rotors are:

Diameter / No. mounting holes / PCD / Pad swept area
285x24 / 8 /150 / 52

thought mine were 283mm.

21st March 2009, 19:22

would anyone recommend another big brake kit for less than 600 that is as good as hispec, or are they well worth the money??

21st March 2009, 19:55

id say thier worth the money even though i aint done any track action yet

21st March 2009, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxotourdecorse

cool, would ya need to chance master cylinder or tweak the bias valve at all?? would the toyo t1r's be ok with the hispecs.

i uprated my mc to 1 out of a 306 gti-6