I'm bored

8th April 2009, 21:58

I fancy putting a 2.0 16v engine in my 106 XSi.

Discuss...

8th April 2009, 21:58

I say do it

8th April 2009, 21:59

being the mentalist you are i would say give it a go

will be frigging tight in a xsi though

8th April 2009, 22:00

Gti180 engine on bodies fag?

8th April 2009, 22:00

Which 2.0?

8th April 2009, 22:02

Gti-6?

8th April 2009, 22:02

GTi180?

8th April 2009, 22:03

There is a good amount more space in a saxo bay which is where i've seen it done, who needs a slam panel though? Could just make an aftermarket reinforced one lol

It looks like it will more or less drop straight in, just a bit of chassis leg and bulkhead chopped off here and there, and a bit of engine mount & bracing welded on...

The shifting system on my 205 looks like it could be put on a 106 with ease!

Could use the 306 shafts and go for some widetrack too?

Edit: GTi6(with 5 speed box) would be simplest due to wiring/ecu probs if using standard inlet. If using aftermarket ecu, could use the EW10 out of the GTi180...

8th April 2009, 22:03

fuckin do it. I'm sick of people replying to threads asking if it's possible to do it saying 'it'll mess the handling'. Most of them are slammed to shit anyway...

8th April 2009, 22:04

so gonna rape the 205 then fag?

8th April 2009, 22:05

A Xsara VTS engined saxo went past me and josh on the ring(josh driving his 170bhp tb'd saxo) like we were standing still, and it was an OE style installation using std ecu, 266mm brakes, standard track etc...

8th April 2009, 22:05

No Ryan, i promised the owner i'd not sell/break it. Well maybe not for a year...

8th April 2009, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

No Ryan, i promised the owner i'd not sell/break it. .

Ive heard that before

8th April 2009, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Gti180 engine on bodies fag?

the GTI 180 engines are actually only 166 bhp. you cant put wild cams in these as the pistons whack your valves. the 137 bhp GTI engine is alot easier and better to tune, as you can have wilder cam shafts to run bodies etc.... i hope this helps if you go down this route

8th April 2009, 22:11

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Originally Posted by gouldy87

the GTI 180 engines are actually only 166 bhp. you cant put wild cams in these as the pistons whack your valves. the 137 bhp GTI engine is alot easier and better to tune, as you can have wilder cam shafts to run bodies etc.... i hope this helps if you go down this route

should see matts 205 with 206 gti180 (iirc) engine and bodies

8th April 2009, 22:13

Cheers.

Matt has a TBd GTi180 engine in his 205 making well over 200bhp no probs...

Fit in the bay no probs LOL

8th April 2009, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

should see matts 205 with 206 gti180 (iirc) engine and bodies

that think is madness in a tin can
fucking epicaly fast

8th April 2009, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

Cheers.

Matt has a TBd GTi180 engine in his 205 making well over 200bhp no probs...

Fit in the bay no probs LOL

thats cool as fuck!!! does he have pocketed pistons by any chance?

8th April 2009, 22:17

alex pppplease do this.

Feels like ages since a proper decent slightly mad saxo has been on saxo-p, all there is cleaning progress threads now

8th April 2009, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by gouldy87

thats cool as fuck!!! does he have pocketed pistons by any chance?

standard internals, bar the cams from what I last read from matt.

Its his cheap track toy. (one of them anyway lol)

8th April 2009, 22:20

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Originally Posted by adsayer

all there is cleaning progress threads now

so gay threads then.

8th April 2009, 22:21

alex do it but with a turbo

8th April 2009, 22:22

Seen a GTi-6 engine in a S1 rallye iirc on rallye reg! The chap could weld so wasnt a problem!

Just moved all mount to get it to fit, welded a nice cage in and widened the track while he was at it! Never saw it finished only nearly finished so dont know what happened! *Goes and looks*

8th April 2009, 22:23

I don't think so, from what i remember it uses standard pistons, just slightly longer duration and higher lift on the cams, it has catcams in it, with vvt adjusted to come in at lower rpm. Goes together with his cammed vts, and supercharged XSI LOL

Thinking about it in all seriousness, i was going to do it a few months back:

Engine mounts - try to retain ecu side mount although it may need to move forwards, make new mount for top of gearbox, make new lower mount, possibly add front mount too.

Manifold - Even a problem on 205s, solutions include tilting engine using longer lower mount(bad) or cutting bulkhead for clearance. 205 has no brake balance bar but has master cylinder in way, so bulkhead clearance up top should be ok! Can always modify scuttle.

Wiring is simple.

Cooling system is relatively simple.

Gear linkage isn't too bad, remounting 306/xsara mech into a 106 shell won't be too complicated.

Driveshafts, something can be made up either using different hubs or modified driveshafts.

What else am i missing?

8th April 2009, 22:24

qrty he sold it before he finished it, it lurks with its new owner, think it's still not finished.

ad i don't own a saxo

Cheers for pics, they're not great, the one or two i took with the better lens were SO much better...

8th April 2009, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by qrty

Seen a GTi-6 engine in a S1 rallye iirc on rallye reg! The chap could weld so wasnt a problem!

Just moved all mount to get it to fit, welded a nice cage in and widened the track while he was at it! Never saw it finished only nearly finished so dont know what happened! *Goes and looks*

Ryan Cookes. Was a xsara engine from memory. he bought it when it had been bodged badly.

8th April 2009, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

standard internals, bar the cams from what I last read from matt.

Its his cheap track toy. (one of them anyway lol)

really? i was reading on a 206 forum a couple of days ago that you cant do that. the gti 180s have a very very small gap between the pistons and the valves. what cams are in the car mate? out of curiosity?

8th April 2009, 22:29

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...&highlight=205

8th April 2009, 22:31

aaaaahhhhhh cat cams. am i right in thinking that these are the only cams that fit in this engine? ( im asking as i want a couple of ideas for a 206 gti 137 bhp version)

8th April 2009, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

I don't think so, from what i remember it uses standard pistons, just slightly longer duration and higher lift on the cams, it has catcams in it, with vvt adjusted to come in at lower rpm. Goes together with his cammed vts, and supercharged XSI LOL

Thinking about it in all seriousness, i was going to do it a few months back:

Engine mounts - try to retain ecu side mount although it may need to move forwards, make new mount for top of gearbox, make new lower mount, possibly add front mount too.

Manifold - Even a problem on 205s, solutions include tilting engine using longer lower mount(bad) or cutting bulkhead for clearance. 205 has no brake balance bar but has master cylinder in way, so bulkhead clearance up top should be ok! Can always modify scuttle.

Wiring is simple.

Cooling system is relatively simple.

Gear linkage isn't too bad, remounting 306/xsara mech into a 106 shell won't be too complicated.

Driveshafts, something can be made up either using different hubs or modified driveshafts.

What else am i missing?

wiring in neons and mounting in fluffy dice?

8th April 2009, 22:36

what about shafts mate you going for a cut n shut job? other than that its budget for suspension setup brakes etc you pretty much have it planned anyway

8th April 2009, 22:40

we know it deffo fits as its basically the same engine as Bic is now running in his car.

8th April 2009, 22:45

Anyone got links to pics of bics engine bay?
Different hubs seems like one of the best ways to do it! Can always use complete struts off a BE Equipped car, with coilovers and adjust position of std 106 top mounts.

matt has done this on his 106!

8th April 2009, 22:49

fag bic has his new progress thread on 106moaners.

Hes not got an OE cross member though, has had it all done at harry hockley etc...

As we know its not done on a budget being an ASW mobile

8th April 2009, 22:51

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...&postcount=524
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...&postcount=480

8th April 2009, 22:59

Looking at that, it's fine

A small cutout for the exhaust manifold in the bulkhead and i can mount it slightly further back! As by the looks of his, inlet clearance is interesting...

Fitted fine in that saxo engine bay with the slam panel and all

8th April 2009, 23:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

Looking at that, it's fine

A small cutout for the exhaust manifold in the bulkhead and i can mount it slightly further back! As by the looks of his, inlet clearance is interesting...

Fitted fine in that saxo engine bay with the slam panel and all

As we know the gti-180 engines are also not that heavy in comparrison to other 2.0L out there.

8th April 2009, 23:05

Alex, just f*cking do it.

End of thread IMO GTFO TBH.

8th April 2009, 23:10

on a side note, might awell leave the engine crane at yours then to fit the fucker

8th April 2009, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke

End of thread IMO GTFO TBH.

8th April 2009, 23:36

Wouldn't it be easier to buy a 1*2?

8th April 2009, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peejous

Wouldn't it be easier to buy a 1*2?

like a trophy

8th April 2009, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

so gay threads then.

yes they're massive gay.

Quote:

xxxxxx's Saxo - major UPDATE!!!

Today I've Polished the badges with NinjiBongo Ear Wax Ass Paste or whatever

I've been equally gay today and spent 1.5hours just hooving the inside of the car

*inserts obscenely large arse dildo in own arse*

8th April 2009, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

like a trophy

Too heavy lol

8th April 2009, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

I've been equally gay today and spent 1.5hours just hooving the inside of the car

*inserts obscenely large arse dildo in own arse*

8th April 2009, 23:45

How can you spend an hour and a half hoovering? i can do the whole house in under an hour and it's a big house lol

172 cup, a poor mans trophy

8th April 2009, 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

How can you spend an hour and a half hoovering? i can do the whole house in under an hour and it's a big house lol

172 cup, a poor mans trophy

removing literally as much of the tiny embedded stone crap as possible. Dyson'd it to high hell ready for this bad ass fuka to move in...

I've got me a George...

so going to unleash his mothafokin pimp ass y0 on the saxo upholstery tomorrow.

my life sucks.

8th April 2009, 23:54

Are you up north or something? Nothing better to do than get sucked off by george?

8th April 2009, 23:57

I was using the clichéd 'sucking off' line a lot this evening to the horror of mothersayer.

Yes I'm up north. Dead giveaway isn't it... cleaning my car. Seriously I've got fuck all else to do. I'm bored. I'm spamming the shit out of saxo-p. I've derailed your thread. I'm watching TV (News 24) for the first time in 3 months. I'm eating shit. and I'm considering actually 'trying out' George in my bedroom to alleviate my boredom...

9th April 2009, 00:05

LOL sounds pretty shocking!
I fixed my computer with new memreez, have been forced to play CDs through my xbox and read books for a few days, shocking.

Anyway bed is beckoning.

And back on topic... next year i shall 2.0 16v my 106

9th April 2009, 00:09

Do it!

9th April 2009, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

removing literally as much of the tiny embedded stone crap as possible. Dyson'd it to high hell ready for this bad ass fuka to move in...

I've got me a George...

so going to unleash his mothafokin pimp ass y0 on the saxo upholstery tomorrow.

my life sucks.

Henry fmw

9th April 2009, 00:27

Alex go for it mate, look forward to seeing the prog thread lol

Manifold fitted perfect and well worth the trip down.

9th April 2009, 00:30

Hetty FTW!

9th April 2009, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by qrty

Hetty FTW!

I'm wet dreaming about her sucking up stuff already x x x

9th April 2009, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

I'm wet dreaming about her sucking up stuff already x x x

Haha Joker! Maybe you could ask her if you can do a shoot with her?

She may show you her bag!

9th April 2009, 00:39

she's actually pretty cute...

Unless it's a trick and it's Henry in Drag...?

9th April 2009, 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

she's actually pretty cute...

Unless it's a trick and it's Henry in Drag...?

Tbf i think its just Henry but with a change of clothes!

Sometimes hes George and James too!

9th April 2009, 00:44

Or maybe she just sucks harder!

9th April 2009, 00:48

on a serious note.

Massive respect to the company, that own/manufacture the 'Henry' brand of hoovers.
Lets face it, they're complete and utter fucking shit as hoovers go.

But they have a smiley face so it's a winner!

9th April 2009, 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

on a serious note.

Massive respect to the company, that own/manufacture the 'Henry' brand of hoovers.
Lets face it, they're complete and utter fucking shit as hoovers go.

But they have a smiley face so it's a winner!

If only rep was still alive, you'd be a god of green with comments like theese!

I was thinking. If Hetty sucks harder, we could charge the polarity on the motor round and create a monster eGay supercharger! Then Henry & co vacuums really would blow!

9th April 2009, 01:22

This sounds interesting, deffo do it man.

Shame it wont be in a Saxo though

all the people that do crazy shizzle always do it to a 106 ffs

9th April 2009, 14:02

I am determined to put a XU10J4RS in a saxo this year.

I have a 106 shell thats a bit rotten, im going to cut the front end off from behind the bulk head so i have a complete engine bay with mounting points to play with and use as a jig/test.

Angles grinders at the ready

9th April 2009, 19:14

Tom, we should join forces

It's already been done several times, it can't be that hard! could maybe even get an MA box to fit it? Who knows!

9th April 2009, 20:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

Tom, we should join forces

It's already been done several times, it can't be that hard! could maybe even get an MA box to fit it? Who knows!

Forget that 6 Speed Saxo FTW!

9th April 2009, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by qrty

Forget that 6 Speed Saxo FTW!

except its a 106 xsi

9th April 2009, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

except its a 106 xsi

My bad!

10th April 2009, 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

A Xsara VTS engined saxo went past me and josh on the ring(josh driving his 170bhp tb'd saxo) like we were standing still, and it was an OE style installation using std ecu, 266mm brakes, standard track etc...

So true mate! And like you say it almost look OE!!

I say do it Alex...

And Yes Matts 205 is very very sweet. Running 202bhp, retaining VVT, although i know he was thinking about replacing the cams getting rid of VVT and going for 250bhp - It bloody shifts either way!!

10th April 2009, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

Tom, we should join forces

It's already been done several times, it can't be that hard! could maybe even get an MA box to fit it? Who knows!

The only problem is, the shell i have is a mk2 gti.

I keep taking my dads gti6 out and everytime i go off into a little day dream about what a s/c'd xu lump would be like a in saxo. GOT TO BE DONE!

10th April 2009, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by VtsTom

The only problem is, the shell i have is a mk2 gti.

I keep taking my dads gti6 out and everytime i go off into a little day dream about what a s/c'd xu lump would be like a in saxo. GOT TO BE DONE!

Something like garrys 205 with an SC XU10J4RS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxoRACZUMu4

10th April 2009, 11:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo

And Yes Matts 205 is very very sweet. Running 202bhp, retaining VVT, although i know he was thinking about replacing the cams getting rid of VVT and going for 250bhp - It bloody shifts either way!!

yeah matts 205 is mad, took me out for a spin once. it really does shaft

10th April 2009, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexR

Something like garrys 205 with an SC XU10J4RS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxoRACZUMu4

That is friking awesome. Only 250 though? Pah, Lynx engines have seen 500bhp i think now. Thats more like it

I dream

10th April 2009, 16:39

Much over 200 in these cars is wasted IMO, i can say that having owned one with roughly 200, they are savage enough with that much power. Looking at a speedo vid is one thing, driving it is another!

10th April 2009, 16:43

To be fair, with a half decent driver and a well set-up brakes and suspension package, with 200bhp, theres not much that will touch it.

Do you know what the clearance is like with the 6 speed? Think i can remember seing a pic of the chassis being cut and re-welded from some ones 106, cant remember where i saw it though

10th April 2009, 16:50

The 6 speed is crap anyway, it weighs a lot and isn't that strong. I'm only leaving the 6 speed on my 205 cos it's already there and i don't have a 5 speed.

An amalgamation of Xsara vts box, 205 shafts and hubs should be doable too

There is no space for the 6 speed.

10th April 2009, 16:51

Hmmmmmm i know a chappy with a rear ended xsara vts. Might have to go have a word. I can see this getting expensive

10th April 2009, 16:51

Any idea of the weight difference between a gti180 and a gti-6 block, iirc pug1off offer gti6 conversions so it can't be a ridiculous thing to get done?