Induction Kits

10th April 2009, 23:56

Id just like to know what is the best one for at the most £100. sorry its another thread about induction kits. but i dont really want to spend over £100 on one.
so if you guys have any ideas with possible pictures aswell it would help alot.

cheers. chris

10th April 2009, 23:57

The exact same question was asked yesterday

Look down in the engine/performance section or search.

Simota from Kam Racing.

11th April 2009, 00:00

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

The exact same question was asked yesterday

Look down in the engine/performance section or search.

Simota from Kam Racing.

the exact same bloody question got asked about an hour ago, search tools there for a reason, tool. and thers a whole sticky with pictures of most inductions kits ever made for saxos if you look aroundin the forum

11th April 2009, 00:01

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

the exact same bloody question got asked about an hour ago, search tools there for a reason, tool.

Me...?

11th April 2009, 00:03

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Me...?

No you daft sod lol , im sick of these induction kit threads lol

11th April 2009, 00:03

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Me...?

Why would he be saying it to you, you softy lol

11th April 2009, 00:04

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

No you daft sod lol , im sick of these induction kit threads lol

sorry lol its just you quoted me so i thought you meant me lol

Am tired of them too, think most people are.

11th April 2009, 00:22

sorry guys lol
i didnt see in a thread anyone asking what the best one for up to £100 and im sorry your all anoyed about these induction kit threads, i would be aswel if i alredy had one or already knew loads about them but i dont so i was just asking, didnt mean to annoy you all

11th April 2009, 00:23

May aswell answer your question now matey

A second hand BMC can be bought for less than £100 these days, raceland enclosed are pretty cheap but only get the one with the green filter.

11th April 2009, 00:23

lol salright dude, just search induction kits, most are under £100 anyway

11th April 2009, 00:23

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

sorry guys lol
i didnt see in a thread anyone asking what the best one for up to £100 and im sorry your all anoyed about these induction kit threads, i would be aswel if i alredy had one or already knew loads about them but i dont so i was just asking, didnt mean to annoy you all

>>Simota from Kam Racing. < is £115 though.

>>uprated panel filter

Probably the best for under £100

11th April 2009, 00:25

its a bmc

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMC-DIA-Direct...1%7C240%3A1318

11th April 2009, 00:28

id go for this beast for £80, says for vts but easily adapted to fit

http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...o-vts-142.html

11th April 2009, 00:32

ive found the simota on kam racing but what does it mean at the bottom where it says Please Choose:
Replacement Green FilterK2.65
K8.65 ( +£2.00 )
whats the difference between them?
heres the link: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...a%3DN%26um%3D1

11th April 2009, 00:44

anyone know what the
Please Choose:
Replacement Green FilterK2.65
K8.65 ( +£2.00 )

whats difference between them?

11th April 2009, 01:14

get the replacement the other one is shit

16th April 2009, 23:15

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Originally Posted by cj_99

get the replacement the other one is shit

which one is it though? is it the K2.65 or the K8.65 ?

16th April 2009, 23:20

do you want it for noise? i see you have a 1.1 so not much performance to be had from an enclosed one.
if its just noise but you want decent quality get an open green kit

16th April 2009, 23:24

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Originally Posted by LeeM

do you want it for noise? i see you have a 1.1 so not much performance to be had from an enclosed one.
if its just noise but you want decent quality get an open green kit

id rather have one for performance. my chavy universal backbox makes enough noise for me lol

16th April 2009, 23:27

as said, youre never really going to see any performance gains. i put my green filter in a raceland enclosure and actually thought it hindered performance but plenty of people rave about them

16th April 2009, 23:27

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

id rather have one for performance. my chavy universal backbox makes enough noise for me lol

Is it worth it for the extra 4bhp or so?

16th April 2009, 23:30

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Is it worth it for the extra 4bhp or so?

tbh i guess not but i thought you loose power if you get an open air filter because its sucking in all that warm air under the bonnet?

16th April 2009, 23:31

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

tbh i guess not but i thought you loose power if you get an open air filter because its sucking in all that warm air under the bonnet?

Good air feed FTW

16th April 2009, 23:32

And heatshield

And you probably wont lose any power, but probably wont gain any either, just a nice noise from under the bonnet.

16th April 2009, 23:34

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

And heatshield

And you probably wont lose any power, but probably wont gain any either, just a nice noise from under the bonnet.

lol so what one would you recommend?

16th April 2009, 23:34

as i was saying to saxo_vtr123 if youre sucking in hot air your going too slow

16th April 2009, 23:35

Go for a pipercross you can get a decent sponge one for around £40

16th April 2009, 23:36

I love mine

I payed £65 though

16th April 2009, 23:39

http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pag...product=337838

16th April 2009, 23:40

Either get a huge K an N or pipercorss or Green

Plus heatshield and some ducting, can adapt the standard air system to work as a cold air feed like i did

16th April 2009, 23:43

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

I love mine

I payed £65 though

Nice air feed i never new brake servos got hot tbh

16th April 2009, 23:44

Food for thought, heat soak generally occurs at low speed in traffic.

This is when the filter suffers from absorbing the heat, how will a cold air feed help this when the car isnt moving

16th April 2009, 23:44

if the kit i posted is the same one as mine it should include a breather filter and everything, its actually a pretty good price, i picked mine up for £40 as it wa the last of the stock the shop had, was for a mk1 vtr but fits fine

16th April 2009, 23:45

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

Nice air feed i never new brake servos got hot tbh

Another view:

16th April 2009, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Food for thought, heat soak generally occurs at low speed in traffic.

This is when the filter suffers from absorbing the heat, how will a cold air feed help this when the car isnt moving

pah, who cares about heatsoak when you're barely moving?

16th April 2009, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Food for thought, heat soak generally occurs at low speed in traffic.

This is when the filter suffers from absorbing the heat, how will a cold air feed help this when the car isnt moving

why do you need performance when the car isnt moving

16th April 2009, 23:47

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

why do you need performance when the car isnt moving

because when you then go to drive the car the heatsoak has allready occured

16th April 2009, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Ryan

because when you then go to drive the car the heatsoak has allready occured

then cold air enters the filter cooling it down

16th April 2009, 23:50

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

Nice air feed i never new brake servos got hot tbh

It may seem like a n00b question but i am

16th April 2009, 23:50

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

then cold air enters the filter cooling it down

the engine bay is very hot, you think that the volume of air that will carry will dramatically reduce the ambient temperature quickly?

16th April 2009, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Ryan

the engine bay is very hot, you think that the volume of air that will carry will dramatically reduce the ambient temperature quickly?

Any proof that it doesnt?

16th April 2009, 23:52

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Another view:

have you kept the standard tube from the standard induction and then now got it running up to the pipercross induction? seems like a good idea actually so you can get colder air in?

16th April 2009, 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

the engine bay is very hot, you think that the volume of air that will carry will dramatically reduce the ambient temperature quickly?

My car originally had a flexy pipe coming form the exhaust heat shield... always sucking hot air... wtfs that about

16th April 2009, 23:53

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

have you kept the standard tube from the standard induction and then now got it running up to the pipercross induction? seems like a good idea actually so you can get colder air in?

Yeah but the original pipe it shat imo, its about 3 different sizes with some ruffled edge pipes disturbing air flow, one simple pipe from the bottom of the bumper does me good

16th April 2009, 23:54

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Any proof that it doesnt?

Go for a drive and lift your bonnet, is it cool even after high speed.

NO its not, there isnt a huge amount of airflow going through the engine bay, if it was then drag would be massively increased etc.. which is why the grills are small and positioned where they are for radiator cooling etc...

Notice in slow moving traffic and hot weather how quickly the cooling fan kicks in? this is a reflection of the rad/coolant temp increasing, along with this so will the under bonnet temperature.

Open filters and the heat soak debate will allways go on, some feel they work some dont. There isnt a huge amount of airflow going through an airfeed though if the engine bay is very hot.

16th April 2009, 23:54

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

have you kept the standard tube from the standard induction and then now got it running up to the pipercross induction? seems like a good idea actually so you can get colder air in?

Yeah, but i have made the entry point of that black tubing slightly bigger, and i was looking into some sort of funnel on the end of it.

16th April 2009, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

the engine bay is very hot, you think that the volume of air that will carry will dramatically reduce the ambient temperature quickly?

yep!!!!

16th April 2009, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

Go for a drive and lift your bonnet, is it cool even after high speed.

NO its not, there isnt a huge amount of airflow going through the engine bay, if it was then drag would be massively increased etc.. which is why the grills are small and positioned where they are for radiator cooling etc...

Notice in slow moving traffic and hot weather how quickly the cooling fan kicks in? this is a reflection of the rad/coolant temp increasing, along with this so will the under bonnet temperature.

A bit dangerous dont you think??

but when i lifted the bonnet the car would be still and have no air going through it?

EDIT: i give in Ryan. You win.

16th April 2009, 23:57

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Yeah, but i have made the entry point of that black tubing slightly bigger, and i was looking into some sort of funnel on the end of it.

sounds like a good idea, i might try it when i actually eventualy get an induction kit lol where did you get yours from?

16th April 2009, 23:58

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

A bit dangerous dont you think??

but when i lifted the bonnet the car would be still and have no air going through it?

EDIT: i give in Ryan. You win.

You wouldnt understand as your yet to have driven you vtr being 16

16th April 2009, 23:58

I always knew when my bodged cold air feed had fallen off as I lost power at the top end. Suprisingly noticable, changed the whole nature of the engine

17th April 2009, 00:00

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Originally Posted by CampDavid

I always knew when my bodged cold air feed had fallen off as I lost power at the top end. Suprisingly noticable, changed the whole nature of the engine

We really suffer with the bloody inlet manifold being at the back of the engine, why they couldnt have designed the TU engine differently ill never know.

17th April 2009, 00:00

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

You wouldnt understand as your yet to have driven you vtr being 16

Once again.

private land.

And 17 pretty soon.

17th April 2009, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Ryan

We really suffer with the bloody inlet manifold being at the back of the engine, why they couldnt have designed the TU engine differently ill never know.

Doesn'T the TU stand for technically updated ?, hate to see the non TU model, why don't you get a Subaru bonnet feed for your throttle bodies ? *snigger's*

17th April 2009, 00:02

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

why don't you get a Subaru bonnet feed for your throttle bodies ? *snigger's*

because the trumpets point at a different angle to which a vent would

and the fact they look daft.

17th April 2009, 00:02

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

Doesn'T the TU stand for technically updated ?, hate to see the non TU model, why don't you get a Subaru bonnet feed for your throttle bodies ? *snigger's*

I see you havnt changed what so ever since being away.

17th April 2009, 00:03

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

but when i lifted the bonnet the car would be still and have no air going through it?

There is plenty of flow going though it, if there wasn't the engine would be in shit very very quickly. You have max. dynamic pressure at the front of the vehicle roughly where the number plate is, above that you have the front grille (standard position of the inlet throat) and below that a much larger grille which supplies the radiator. Below the engine bay there is a gapping great big hole where flow from underneath the car can mix with flow entering through the grilles.

17th April 2009, 00:04

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

I see you havnt changed what so ever since being away.

Your not far off from being how i was, calm it down a bit or ule soon be in my position

17th April 2009, 00:04

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Originally Posted by adsayer

There is plenty of flow going though it, if there wasn't the engine would be in shit very very quickly. You have max. dynamic pressure at the front of the vehicle roughly where the number plate is, above that you have the front grille (standard position of the inlet throat) and below that a much larger grille which supplies the radiator. Below the engine bay there is a gapping great big hole where flow from underneath the car can mix with flow entering through the grilles.

You really are a Induction / air filter / air flow god.

17th April 2009, 00:05

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

Your not far off from being how i was, calm it down a bit or ule soon be in my position

I can guarantee i wont be. I dont take the p*ss out of people.

On topic, i dont mind heat soak

17th April 2009, 00:05

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

You really are a Induction / air filter / air flow god.

theoretical... not practical homie. well except air flow... I get paid to piss around in wind tunnelz

17th April 2009, 00:06

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Originally Posted by adsayer

theoretical... not practical homie.

Ohh yeah i remember lol

Am sure you could become practical and theory god pretty easily

17th April 2009, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

We really suffer with the bloody inlet manifold being at the back of the engine, why they couldnt have designed the TU engine differently ill never know.

I guess they went with it as there's feck all space at the front any way and it's worse on the 106. In terms of packaging having the exhaust manifold at the front and the inlet at the back is easier, as the back of the engine bay has more hight to it which makes mounting the inlet easier. It also makes it a much nicer unit to work on. I'd rather catch Ebola than try taking the exhaust manifold off a GTI-6

17th April 2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

I can guarantee i wont be. I dont take the p*ss out of people.

On topic, i dont mind heat soak

Your a right cocky fcuker tho arnt you.

But i don't mind heat soak either lol

17th April 2009, 00:08

because it is perfectly fine, if you keep the standard ducting... silly psa didn't care for people Tb'ing their engines.

17th April 2009, 00:08

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

Your a right cocky fcuker tho arnt you.

But i don't mind heat soak either lol

I have to agree there.

17th April 2009, 00:08

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Originally Posted by CampDavid

I'd rather catch Ebola than try taking the exhaust manifold off a GTI-6

lol...

17th April 2009, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

I guess they went with it as there's feck all space at the front any way and it's worse on the 106. In terms of packaging having the exhaust manifold at the front and the inlet at the back is easier, as the back of the engine bay has more hight to it which makes mounting the inlet easier. It also makes it a much nicer unit to work on. I'd rather catch Ebola than try taking the exhaust manifold off a GTI-6

I get stressed trying to remove my exhaust Mani on my 106 at the front i end up taking the bumper slam and rad out for easy access lol

17th April 2009, 00:09

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Originally Posted by adsayer

theoretical... not practical homie. well except air flow... I get paid to piss around in wind tunnelz

Who's wind tunnel are you twatting about with?

17th April 2009, 00:09

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Originally Posted by CampDavid

Who's wind tunnel are you twatting about with?

university of slurreys.

17th April 2009, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Who's wind tunnel are you twatting about with?

If your messing round with a wind tunnel ad i wanna watch

17th April 2009, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Who's wind tunnel are you twatting about with?

hes doing his PHD in one on wind turbine design iirc so guildford uni i guess

17th April 2009, 00:10

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

If your messing round with a wind tunnel ad i wanna watch

17th April 2009, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

university of slurreys.

Nice, half size models? Always liked the wind tunnel at Renault, chiefly because about 30 people were emplyed to make 100,000 parts a ile a year while a couple of people had to send most of there time just smashing them up after they'd been used for th sake of secrecy and security

17th April 2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by Ryan

hes doing his PHD in one on wind turbine design iirc so guildford uni i guess

here's the shit bit. I wrote an abstract as 'practice' for when I submit papers for journals - i hadn't even started any research on to this abstract I wrote. My supervisor sent it off tentatively to a Nerd Convention that's going on in August in the hope I'd get to do a poster display, whilst I hoped for rejection.... Did I get the rejection? No.

Did I get the request to do a Poster Presentation. No, readers, no I fucking didn't.

I have to do a 'ground breaking' half hour bloody presentation on some shit I don't have a fucking clue about and haven't even done basic background reading on, in Belgium, to the worlds leading scientists in Fluid Mechanics, in August.

I'm fucked.

17th April 2009, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

here's the shit bit. I wrote an abstract as 'practice' for when I submit papers for journals - i hadn't even started any research on to this abstract I wrote. My supervisor sent it off tentatively to a Nerd Convention that's going on in August in the hope I'd get to do a poster display, whilst I hoped for rejection.... Did I get the rejection? No.

Did I get the request to do a Poster Presentation. No, readers, no I fucking didn't.

I have to do a 'ground breaking' half hour bloody presentation on some shit I don't have a fucking clue about and haven't even done basic background reading on, in Belgium, to the worlds leading scientists in Fluid Mechanics, in August.

I'm fucked.

That is the definition of the phrase "a disaster waiting to happen" pms

17th April 2009, 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

If your messing round with a wind tunnel ad i wanna watch

It's boring really, you spend 3 days setting it up, run for 2 days, then spend about 293874023482 days analysing the data.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CampDavid

Nice, half size models? Always liked the wind tunnel at Renault, chiefly because about 30 people were emplyed to make 100,000 parts a ile a year while a couple of people had to send most of there time just smashing them up after they'd been used for th sake of secrecy and security

It's environmental flow, stratified atmospheric boundary layers and that sort of crap, so 1:300 scales typically man.

17th April 2009, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by adsayer

here's the shit bit. I wrote an abstract as 'practice' for when I submit papers for journals - i hadn't even started any research on to this abstract I wrote. My supervisor sent it off tentatively to a Nerd Convention that's going on in August in the hope I'd get to do a poster display, whilst I hoped for rejection.... Did I get the rejection? No.

Did I get the request to do a Poster Presentation. No, readers, no I fucking didn't.

I have to do a 'ground breaking' half hour bloody presentation on some shit I don't have a fucking clue about and haven't even done basic background reading on, in Belgium, to the worlds leading scientists in Fluid Mechanics, in August.

I'm fucked.

Haha!! id be well happy tbh mate.

I really wish i could skip the main degree and do a masters in sports soc and start writing sports soc journals.

17th April 2009, 00:27

You'll be fine Ad. Just a load of work to do. Worst case you can always cry off at the last minute.

17th April 2009, 00:33

so whats the best panel filter i could get? i was thinking of starting off with an upgraded panel filter and then getting a piper cross induction kit later.

17th April 2009, 00:35

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

so whats the best panel filter i could get? i was thinking of starting off with an upgraded panel filter and then getting a piper cross induction kit later.

All the performance panel filters are basically the same mate. Try K an N or pipercross or Green

17th April 2009, 00:38

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

All the panel filters are basically the same mate. Try K an N or pipercross or Green

cheers. do you know where i could get a K&N, pipercross or green for the cheapest price on the internet?

17th April 2009, 00:39

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

cheers. do you know where i could get a K&N, pipercross or green for the cheapest price on the internet?

have a look at Demon Tweeks usually pretty cheap, but just have a search on google shopping, thers probably cheaper

17th April 2009, 00:52

i think im going to get one of these now

http://www.thepipercrossshop.co.uk/p...el=106&kit=576

17th April 2009, 00:55

Will be good

Get some ducting to the standard air bos, and smooth out the inside, will be good

and i thought the standard saxo airbox could only have like an oval filter? not a flat square panel?

17th April 2009, 00:56

this could be a good idea if you have a SPI

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...30#post1101330

17th April 2009, 00:57

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Originally Posted by VTEC-Saxo

this could be a good idea if you have a SPI

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...30#post1101330

That seems very good, Get some ducting to the airbox and its a winner

17th April 2009, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Will be good

Get some ducting to the standard air bos, and smooth out the inside, will be good

and i thought the standard saxo airbox could only have like an oval filter? not a flat square panel?

no idea about the oval filter part mate lol i guess not if the website sells flat square panels, but then again i dont know anything about air filters and this stuff lol

17th April 2009, 01:00

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Originally Posted by CC06NBA

no idea about the oval filter part mate lol i guess not if the website sells flat square panels, but then again i dont know anything about air filters and this stuff lol

When i took off my standard air filter system, it had an oval filter in it