Group N mounts(help with sites)

1. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

   #1 20th April 2009, 21:55

   right looking at getting my car for track use, standard on the outside (ish) and silly engine mods. i am looking at group n engine mounts but i dont understand what they do..... postives and negatives ????
2. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

   #2 20th April 2009, 22:07

   they stiften up the engine, so there not as much engine movment,
   
   so yes the are postive as they will stop the engine twisting, so you dont lose as much power and torque sure other people will add to this aswell but they are a postive thing to do for a track car,
   
   andy
3. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #3 20th April 2009, 22:11

   I found them to make the engines power delivery more direct and responsive. The downside is the rattles.
   
   Could always go with a powerflex lower for an intermediate mod - just cheaper.
4. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #4 20th April 2009, 22:17

   Your engine does not twist.
   
   They stop the engine moving about. This helps on acceleration by keeping the transmission in one place, helping traction from slow speeds; and deceleration by stopping additional weight transfer forward under braking and again traction.
   The disadvantage is a bit more engine vibration.
5. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

   #5 20th April 2009, 22:43

   grp N mounts rock, period, get them.
   
   its nice to see someone interested in real mods, not the "turbo" shit you see every day.
   
   fuck the engine mods, and fuck the power in all honesty.
   
   strip it, stiffen the engine mounts and the suspension bushes and you will have an amazing road/track car.
6. mattevts Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 bury st edmunds Posts: 572 saxo vts 147.1bhp

   #6 20th April 2009, 22:51

   wheres the best place to get group n mounts from the upper gear box one and do they do the ecu side one
7. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

   #7 20th April 2009, 22:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mattevts wheres the best place to get group n mounts from the upper gear box one and do they do the ecu side one

   cant elp you with that really, but get them any where you can.
8. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

   #8 20th April 2009, 23:23

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mattevts wheres the best place to get group n mounts from the upper gear box one and do they do the ecu side one

   After a fair bit of shopping around I found the best place for them all was;
   
   Gearbox Mount
   
   Lower Mount
   
   ECU Mount
   
   Comes to Around £150. A set from one company will cost around £225 delivered
   
   
   The Box one being a BakerBM, the lower mounts a Pugsport one, and the ECU one is a Vibratechnics. Cant vouch for them yet as Im literally half way through a conversion but theyre all extremely solid. Very happy with em. Cant wait to test out the results down the backroads
9. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #9 21st April 2009, 07:34

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo After a fair bit of shopping around I found the best place for them all was; Gearbox Mount Lower Mount ECU Mount Comes to Around £150. A set from one company will cost around £225 delivered The Box one being a BakerBM, the lower mounts a Pugsport one, and the ECU one is a Vibratechnics. Cant vouch for them yet as Im literally half way through a conversion but theyre all extremely solid. Very happy with em. Cant wait to test out the results down the backroads

   WOH spoox havnt been selling the ECU one for long then have they? Never seen it on there n i didnt look too long ago!
   
   This the first mainstream GRP N ECU mount then?
10. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #10 21st April 2009, 07:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by db_sax WOH spoox havnt been selling the ECU one for long then have they? Never seen it on there n i didnt look too long ago! This the first mainstream GRP N ECU mount then?

    Yeh, I've only just seen this! Looks to be a good replacement - and means you can buy a set of Group n mounts for like £150!.
11. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

    #11 21st April 2009, 15:05

    ross could you fit them ????? you be doing loads this summer ordering coilover saturday if the pay is ok....
12. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #12 21st April 2009, 15:29

    just go to the group a semi rigid kit tbh
    
    it doesnt vibrate that badly and i cant move my engine at all in my bay
    its ace
    i love them
13. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #13 21st April 2009, 15:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by db_sax WOH spoox havnt been selling the ECU one for long then have they? Never seen it on there n i didnt look too long ago! This the first mainstream GRP N ECU mount then?

    Only other one is the Pugsport one, but you need to weld in some little metal buffers.
    
    The Vibratechnics one is straight fit other than having to drill a 12mm hole in the mount strut. Its a very well made bit of kit. Its the only one worth getting from them though imo, the gearbox one looks similar and its a bit overkill with the box mount being so simple.
    
    Il let you know what theyre like by the end of the week hopefully
14. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #14 21st April 2009, 15:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo Only other one is the Pugsport one, but you need to weld in some little metal buffers.

    you can glue them with some 2 part epoxy if you want
    its hat ive done with mine in the 106
15. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #15 21st April 2009, 15:50

    Ive read they come off very quickly though when glued
16. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #16 21st April 2009, 16:05

    i used liquid metal on mine and they've been rock solid for around 10k now.
17. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #17 21st April 2009, 16:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo Ive read they come off very quickly though when glued

    not seen that personally
    seems fine glued
    i know of some lads who just sit them in place
    there isnt really space for them to fall out
18. moxy89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost

    #18 21st April 2009, 16:33

    looking foe engine mounts atm,heard there is 3 correct me if im wrong where can i get them ? would i be supplied with the 1 or all 3 thanks for the help need to order some
19. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #19 21st April 2009, 16:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by moxy89 looking foe engine mounts atm,heard there is 3 correct me if im wrong where can i get them ? would i be supplied with the 1 or all 3 thanks for the help need to order some

    theyre all separate on the links bens given you.
    
    If you get the kit for around £180 then you get the lot.
20. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #20 21st April 2009, 16:41

    look up aron on here hes got a full kit unused for sale iirc
21. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #21 21st April 2009, 16:45

    GMC Motorsport will help
22. user_4153 Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2004 Cambs Posts: 630 Vts track car

    #22 21st April 2009, 17:36

    GMC sell both of the pugsport kits aswell as the vibra technics "fast road" kit.
    
    Just fitted a complete set of vibra technics, a very well made bit of kit. Supposed to be slightly stiffer than group n's. Certainly wouldnt go any stiffer without seam welding the engine mounts themselves.
23. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #23 21st April 2009, 18:36

    GMC wont split their kits, which is fair enough, but they're 200 and 210 for the Vibras and the Pugsports respectively iirc. Plus postage which is £15.
    
    So in fairness unless you want all of one set to be a brand whore the links I gave are the best