Turbo anti-lag?!

22nd April 2009, 23:41

Would this be beneficial on an 8v boosted setup? I know that this keeps the turbo charger constantly spooling so you have less lag, but ultimately results in a shorter turbo life span, but would it be worth doing?

22nd April 2009, 23:43

Do you feel that it needs it...?

IMO its a bit much for a road car.

22nd April 2009, 23:44

not really imo

unless you plan racing and needing to keep full boost i wouldnt

22nd April 2009, 23:46

what size turbo? what compression ratio?
i wouldnt bother tbh, you have to learn to drive it properly then you wont have any issues.

22nd April 2009, 23:48

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Originally Posted by dannygti

what size turbo? what compression ratio?
i wouldnt bother tbh, you have to learn to drive it properly then you wont have any issues.

How do you know how well he can drive...?

Whereabouts are you in pemborkshire, i go down there every year on holiday

22nd April 2009, 23:51

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

How do you know how well he can drive...?

Whereabouts are you in pemborkshire, i go down there every year on holiday

i dont know how well he can drive, im just giving him tips rather than spending a fortune in replacing turbos.

and how do you know "its a bit much for a road car"?

how many cars with anti-lag have you driven?

22nd April 2009, 23:55

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Originally Posted by dannygti

i dont know how well he can drive, im just giving him tips rather than spending a fortune in replacing turbos.

and how do you know "its a bit much for a road car"?

how many cars with anti-lag have you driven?

Havnt driven any lol. just not many road cars have it, and i know a lot of rally cars use it.

22nd April 2009, 23:58

Thanks for the pointers lads, was just wondering what the response would be, think it would be a bit too much for a daily drive too, and i'd say my driving is average!

I have a mate with an evo 8 with anti lag, sounds amazing and was wondering what it would involve with my vtr?!

I live in haverfordwest, where abouts do you go every year mate?

23rd April 2009, 00:00

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Originally Posted by WIDE-VTR-TURBO

Thanks for the pointers lads, was just wondering what the response would be, think it would be a bit too much for a daily drive too, and i'd say my driving is average!

I have a mate with an evo 8 with anti lag, sounds amazing and was wondering what it would involve with my vtr?!

I live in haverfordwest, where abouts do you go every year mate?

Lol i go to haverfordwest!

Do you know the square and Compass inn? Just up the road from St Davids?

23rd April 2009, 00:03

what ecu are you using as some allow you to retard the ignition during gear change so act a little like anti-lag..

just get a nice free flowing exhaust and a well designed intercooler and should be all good..

23rd April 2009, 00:07

dont even bother with anti lag unless you have bottomless pockets for turbos and engine rebulds. it does sound amazing tho

23rd April 2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Lol i go to haverfordwest!

Do you know the square and Compass inn? Just up the road from St Davids?

Wow, small world!! Yes mate, i know it, been there plenty of times for a pint in the summer, when you usually come down?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

what ecu are you using as some allow you to retard the ignition during gear change so act a little like anti-lag..

just get a nice free flowing exhaust and a well designed intercooler and should be all good..

Probably going for the jamsport go-tech pro x ecu, anti-lag is an option so was just wondering what opinions i'd get, but your right i think once ive driven it for a while and get the setup right it should be fine!

23rd April 2009, 00:09

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Originally Posted by WIDE-VTR-TURBO

Wow, small world!! Yes mate, i know it, been there plenty of times for a pint in the summer, when you usually come down?

Around August, could you come down the Square and Compass car park some time when am down for 2 weeks?

Would love to see a VTR turbo

I literally stay in the house behind the car park lol

23rd April 2009, 00:18

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Around August, could you come down the Square and Compass car park some time when am down for 2 weeks?

Would love to see a VTR turbo

I literally stay in the house behind the car park lol

Yes mate, course i can, the car should be well and truely run in by then, will take you for a spin!!

And we can have a pint

lol!

Seriously, drop me a pm when you know dates and i'll come down, nice to meet some sax-p members!!

23rd April 2009, 13:22

would need a turbo with iconal shaft best bet is speak to axvtrturbo / tweeqd martin is going mental on his

23rd April 2009, 16:38

Havent read the previous posts but it makes your engry run very hot and in the long run will destory your engine

Even wrc cars only run the anitlag for launches then its flicked back off.

Matt.

25th April 2009, 14:59

if your worried about falling off bost inbetween gear changes why not run full throttle gear change. Anti lag is not really needed on a car of our sort of specs. Even im not going to and mines laggy as f**k at the moment lol.

25th April 2009, 16:17

A bit off topic but...

Have you considered launch control?

25th April 2009, 16:52

Anti lag is a lunch control. it gives you full boost on launch buy making the engine miss fire filling the turbo faster.

matt.

25th April 2009, 17:10

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

Anti lag is a lunch control. it gives you full boost on launch buy making the engine miss fire filling the turbo faster.

matt.

I thought it was more about keeping the turbo spooling whilest changing gear? and when not accelerating before a corner

25th April 2009, 17:17

full boost on launch + FWD = lots of smoke and no movement.

25th April 2009, 17:17

Why do you think wrc cars sound so shit popping and banging when they launch,

All a anti lag kit does is make the engine miss fire to spool the turbo up faster.

Honestly try google you might learn somthing..

Matt.

25th April 2009, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

Why do you think wrc cars sound so shit popping and banging when they launch,

All a anti lag kit does is make the engine miss fire to spool the turbo up faster.

Honestly try google you might learn somthing..

Matt.

Whats with the negativity?! he was simlpy asking a question.

25th April 2009, 20:04

My mate has anti lag on his Impreza - Sounds insane but he car loves to eat turbos :-)

I wouldnt bother with it personally mate

Launch control + Antilag - Insane :-)

25th April 2009, 21:35

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Originally Posted by 106TURBO

Whats with the negativity?! he was simlpy asking a question.

Agree, there was no need in negativity. I jus had a different idea of what something was. Am sure there are things i could tell you that you wouldnt know. But i wouldnt get all high and mighty over it.

"try google, you might learn something" < not really a need tbh

25th April 2009, 21:43

i surpose i was a little short in that comment for that i aplogise

There is only one to way to learn i guess..

to answer your second reply nicer you can run anti lag all the time it would make the car fooking fly but melt your turbo inside out.. which is why if you watch that wrc thing on dave when the look at the rally cars they show you a little switch on the steering wheel iirc if not on the dash that turns the anit-lag kit on and off so once there set off they can jsut turn it off to save the engine.

Matt.

25th April 2009, 21:49

Thats better

Thanks for the info

25th April 2009, 21:54

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

i surpose i was a little short in that comment for that i aplogise

There is only one to way to learn i guess..

to answer your second reply nicer you can run anti lag all the time it would make the car fooking fly but melt your turbo inside out.. which is why if you watch that wrc thing on dave when the look at the rally cars they show you a little switch on the steering wheel iirc if not on the dash that turns the anit-lag kit on and off so once there set off they can jsut turn it off to save the engine.

Matt.

??? anti-lag is different to launch control. you not getting them mixed up?

25th April 2009, 22:01

I would it would be crazy and i doubt its ever been done tbh! would involve a hell of a lot tho ? well worth it, you would want a mild anti-lag setup tho with a option to turn it off when it gets to hot / pigs about

26th April 2009, 10:42

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

??? anti-lag is different to launch control. you not getting them mixed up?

I know launch control primes your revs etc so you jsut berry your foot and your off, very fun in a 430 sypder

And anti lag just spools the turbos faster through making the engine missfire.

The more times i reply to this thread the more times i want boost, found my self looking at s14a's last night on pistonheads.. theres a nice one with a t28

Matt.

26th April 2009, 14:43

Anti lag is illegal for road use and you will go through turbo's constantly..

Just isn't needed on a fast road turbo'd car..

26th April 2009, 14:45

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Originally Posted by MaRiO89

Anti lag is illegal for road use and you will go through turbo's constantly..

Just isn't needed on a fast road turbo'd car..

How come...?

26th April 2009, 14:53

Emissions is my guess. Unburnt fuel into the atmosphere = bad mmmmkay.

However, if you can turn it off the press of a button - who's to know

26th April 2009, 14:54

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

How come...?

I dont know why, but when its on the car will spit flames, pop and bang louder than a gun and generally be a huge annoyance to most people..

26th April 2009, 14:57

I would have it for shits and giggles but wouldnt use it alot. Dont know how much it would all cost. Think someone told me that on a YB Cossie, it comes in at about a grand. Expensive gimmick if your not using it on a competition car

26th April 2009, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

How do you know how well he can drive...?

Whereabouts are you in pemborkshire, i go down there every year on holiday

we go down there about 3 times a year watersking but now we got our own place I love it there

26th April 2009, 16:58

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Originally Posted by WIDE-VTR-TURBO

Thanks for the pointers lads, was just wondering what the response would be, think it would be a bit too much for a daily drive too, and i'd say my driving is average!

I have a mate with an evo 8 with anti lag, sounds amazing and was wondering what it would involve with my vtr?!

I live in haverfordwest, where abouts do you go every year mate?

We go my the cleddu bridge in some little hut things by the jolly sailor if you know where that is?

26th April 2009, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaRiO89

I dont know why, but when its on the car will spit flames, pop and bang louder than a gun and generally be a huge annoyance to most people..

It spits bangs and flames, because all the anti lag kit does basicully is make the engine missfire so it has exhaust gases to spool the turbo faster

Matt.

26th April 2009, 17:12

any links on a anti lag product for sale? just want to see the price of it.

27th April 2009, 16:02

the car i saw with anti-lag had an extra injector and the timing retarded so the combustion takes place in the exhaust, spinning the turbo and melting the blades on the compressor wheel over time for good measure.

Also if you don't completely take your foot off the throttle when you change gear you can keep the turbo spinning up. I tried it in my mates chipped land rover and it dug in and almost felt like it was gonna wheelstand.

27th April 2009, 16:13

wouldnt be worth doing it imo. You surely cant have that much 'lag' can you? My 8v turbo nova smacked me in face right away lol, lil 8v turbos ftw. I found that if you catch the turbo on the gear change it takes less time, but were talking milliseconds? not needed unless you need -0.5secs to win the championship

27th April 2009, 16:15

My mates cosworth engine's anti lag just cuts the spark from the engine on a certain stroke, the fuel then ignites as it passes through the turbo keeping the turbo spinning.

Hence the ft long flames from the exhaust and the wild explosions!

Its quite a simple system really. I think anti lag is really for cars with silly sized turbos or race cars that want full boost from the start line, in most turbo cars once you get on the boost you can stay on if you know how to drive.