Help lads!!

1. alexmcbride Newbie Joined: Apr 2009 Manchester Posts: 12 Citroen Saxo Furio (2001)

   #1 30th April 2009, 18:52

   right guys..
   
   i was recently on "carsurvey.org" reading up tryig to find any suggestions on how to add a few more BHP to my furio.
   
   "If you want VTR power on a Furio, then you can get the cylinder head, cam and ECU from a VTR of the same year, and exchange it with your Saxo's, a straight fit, looks exactly the same so you would get away with not telling your insurance, and you get around 25hp extra"
   
   is this statement accurate??
   
   and i don't really have the money to replace ECU or CAMs at the moment so i'd start wit getting VTR cylinder head (available on ebay) i was wondering if this was worth the money...or whether i could get away with vts cylinder heads?
   
   cheers
2. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

   #2 30th April 2009, 19:09

   I always got the impression the 1.4s were aluminium blocks and the VTR is a cast iron block. I'm not entirely sure how they interchange... An extra 25bhp though? That might be a bit of a push... it's the same as the 206 engine I think, 75 as standard, therefore getting 100bhp straight out of changing all that is a little unlikely. That's standard VTR power!!
3. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #3 30th April 2009, 19:11

   just whack a vtr engine in....
   
   easier job
4. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

   #4 30th April 2009, 19:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by frankie just whack a vtr engine in.... easier job

   Well, not quite an easier job really. From experience it's a lot easier to replace a head than a whole engine!
5. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #5 30th April 2009, 19:26

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by spiderxjz82 I always got the impression the 1.4s were aluminium blocks and the VTR is a cast iron block. I'm not entirely sure how they interchange... An extra 25bhp though? That might be a bit of a push... it's the same as the 206 engine I think, 75 as standard, therefore getting 100bhp straight out of changing all that is a little unlikely. That's standard VTR power!!

   vts is iron block
   
   the vtr head will fit but i doubt youll see 25bh from just a head swap
   most of ther power difference comes from the extra 200cc not the head
6. Macey2009 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 southampton Posts: 409 Saxo Vtr 8v

   #6 30th April 2009, 19:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by frankie just whack a vtr engine in.... easier job

   Go all the way and wake a vts in haha
7. Macey2009 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 southampton Posts: 409 Saxo Vtr 8v

   #7 30th April 2009, 19:33

   EDIT: i ment whack not wake lol
8. szoke91 L-plater Joined: Sep 2008 Barnsley Posts: 33

   #8 30th April 2009, 20:28

   its not hard to put a vtr lump in, me and my mate did one on his car 1.1 to 1.6 vtr, it was done in about 5 hours, and we didnt use a engine crane.
9. liam-o Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1346

   #9 30th April 2009, 20:33

   yer like the other guys said, the extra 200cc makes the difference, and isnt the vtr an injection? besides, i dont think theres a "cheap" way to add 25bhp to a car (unless you get a free engine )
10. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #10 30th April 2009, 20:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by liam-o yer like the other guys said, the extra 200cc makes the difference, and isnt the vtr an injection? besides, i dont think theres a "cheap" way to add 25bhp to a car (unless you get a free engine )

    all saxos are fuel injected
11. fossie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2004 Spennymoor, United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3742 Saxo MK2 VTS

    #11 30th April 2009, 21:33

    Just smash a vtr lump, could probs get the same price as a head i would have thought lol
12. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

    #12 30th April 2009, 21:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexB vts is iron block the vtr head will fit but i doubt youll see 25bh from just a head swap most of ther power difference comes from the extra 200cc not the head

    Pretty sure VTR is too...
    
    Unless on friday I was unbelievably weak....
13. Olly Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Meerkat Harborough Posts: 2638 Saxo vtr mk 2

    #13 30th April 2009, 22:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by spiderxjz82 Pretty sure VTR is too... Unless on friday I was unbelievably weak....

    vtr is yeah,
14. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

    #14 30th April 2009, 22:05

    Thought so... it was bloody heavy!
15. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #15 1st May 2009, 22:00

    tbh id say swapin engines would be easier then heads lol, not much in putting a vtr in a 1.4 car
16. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #16 1st May 2009, 22:03

    as far as ive heard there alloy
    
    and they do seem lighter than a 16 by a fair bit to me

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17. liam-o Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1346

    #17 1st May 2009, 23:10

    vts is pretty much twice the size...
18. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

    #18 2nd May 2009, 16:26

    The VTR block is 100% cast, I'm putting it into my car right now and it's definately not aluminium. The heads of the engines really aren't all that different weight wise to be honest. I had the head off the PSA 1.4 16v engine a week or so ago and it hardly weighs much more than my VTR head at all...
    
    So I wouldn't rule out that the weight is a HUGE difference.
    
    However my VTR might be running without PAS and without AirCon soon...