140bhp ATW 1.6 8v

1. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #1 10th May 2009, 11:09

   have a read of this further down
   
   http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...202#post633202
   
   dunno what you think
2. gixxa Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo

   #2 10th May 2009, 11:16

   140 at the wheels is probably doable with the right cam choice
3. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #3 10th May 2009, 11:22

   thats what I was thinking mate but hey he thinks that
4. olee Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Southampton Posts: 298 106 s1 rallye

   #4 10th May 2009, 11:29

   I thought he said on 106oc that it made 140 atf?
   
   Never the less, it doesnt really matter, its how it drives that counts.
5. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #5 10th May 2009, 11:34

   oh yeah its how it drives which is what matter olee thats what I always think aswell. I really dont go on 106oc that much now so not "up" on alot of peoples cars
6. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

   #6 10th May 2009, 12:15

   why would they talk so much shit about there cars? one lad mentions a cammed 16v that has 167 bhp? i dont thnk so do you?
7. gixxa Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo

   #7 10th May 2009, 12:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by gouldy87 why would they talk so much shit about there cars? one lad mentions a cammed 16v that has 167 bhp? i dont thnk so do you?

   aint there some one on here thats at 160ish on standard inlet, think 167 is doable with a good map and healthy engine. Also depends on the rollers
8. olee Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Southampton Posts: 298 106 s1 rallye

   #8 10th May 2009, 12:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by gouldy87 why would they talk so much shit about there cars? one lad mentions a cammed 16v that has 167 bhp? i dont thnk so do you?

   167bhp is doable with a healty engine, well chosen cams and a good map. wouldnt expect any higher than that though!
   
   Plus 167bhp on one set of rollers may well be completly different on another set of rollers.
9. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

   #9 10th May 2009, 12:37

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by olee 167bhp is doable with a healty engine, well chosen cams and a good map. wouldnt expect any higher than that though! Plus 167bhp on one set of rollers may well be completly different on another set of rollers.

   ive never seen a 167 bhp 16v with those mods ever. out of everyone i no with a cammed 16v (a good 10-15 people) the highest ive ever seen is 161@ fly and 162@fly mapped
   
   also if its 167 on one set of rollers and 153 on another set of rollers then is that not telling that the rollers read high? then we end up back onto the never ending rolling road accuracy debate.
   
   i think with those mods 167 is a tad high
10. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #10 10th May 2009, 12:55

    i know someone with standad inlet that has 165'ish bhp, thats with extensive headwork, wild cams and proper breathing mods, forged rods, forged pistons etc... but thats an extreme case.
    
    no way on earth does he have 140bhp@wheels,,, with just cam, boddies, and breathing mods hes gained 70bp??
    if thats right then he's almost got as much as ryans properly built engine..
11. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

    #11 10th May 2009, 12:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dannygti i know someone with standad inlet that has 165'ish bhp, thats with extensive headwork, wild cams and proper breathing mods, forged rods, forged pistons etc... but thats an extreme case. no way on earth does he have 140bhp@wheels,,, with just cam, boddies, and breathing mods hes gained 70bp?? if thats right then he's almost got as much as ryans properly built engine..

    thats uprated internals though isnt it?
    
    this lad hasnt mentioned anything like this in his mods
12. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #12 10th May 2009, 12:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gouldy87 thats uprated internals though isnt it? this lad hasnt mentioned anything like this in his mods

    ye exactly, forged internals... plus its a road rally car so doesnt see much everyday driving wich is a good job as it hardly idles.
13. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #13 10th May 2009, 15:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gixxa aint there some one on here thats at 160ish on standard inlet, think 167 is doable with a good map and healthy engine. Also depends on the rollers

    Dodgy rollers, most cammed 16vs are 150-155bhp. The reason for the power limitation is the cam choice and OE inlet and OE pistons. Which is why wild cams people run throttle bodies and forged or at least modified pistons
14. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #14 10th May 2009, 16:49

    haha yer right i struggle to believe that much power is made from those mods. maybe they were home made rollers??? oil drums and elasticbands which wind up, then some clever maths is used to work out bhp??
15. GroomGTI Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Yorkshire. Posts: 1748 White 106 Gti

    #15 10th May 2009, 17:20

    ive seen a cammed 16v run 166bhp. Mine ran 161bhp and 160 on 2 diffrent rollers. Dont belive all this shit about rollers being high just people who like to moan
16. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #16 10th May 2009, 17:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Groomster-VTS ive seen a cammed 16v run 166bhp. Mine ran 161bhp and 160 on 2 diffrent rollers. Dont belive all this shit about rollers being high just people who like to moan

    what are your wheel figures? as those are the important ones. flywheel figures are effectivly guesses so you cant blame people when they do moan.
17. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #17 10th May 2009, 18:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GroomGTI ive seen a cammed 16v run 166bhp. Mine ran 161bhp and 160 on 2 diffrent rollers. Dont belive all this shit about rollers being high just people who like to moan

    As said any fly figure is allways taken with a pinch of salt as the fly is a calculation of average losses in most cases added onto the wheel figures, so very very easy to get 'high' figures