cheapest mod to make a vtr noticeably quicker

1. saxsport123 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 62 Black 53 Plate VTR

   #1 15th May 2009, 00:31

   is it port n polish or decat etc... ?
2. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #2 15th May 2009, 00:33

   find the nearest cliff.
3. saxsport123 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 62 Black 53 Plate VTR

   #3 15th May 2009, 00:34

   aye rite . . apart from anythin daft like that
4. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #4 15th May 2009, 00:43

   A better gear cluster.
   
   1.4xsi should give you more perofmrance gains per £
5. saxsport123 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 62 Black 53 Plate VTR

   #5 15th May 2009, 00:46

   would that not cost alot for a garage to fit etc?? i heard that someone on here will do a port and plish for £40 and that would give about 5 bhp?
6. saxsport123 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 62 Black 53 Plate VTR

   #6 15th May 2009, 00:46

   and a decat £70 for 4bhp?
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 15th May 2009, 00:48

   you wont get 5bhp from a port and polished TB, and 4-5bhp wont make it 'notably quicker'
   
   that takes money
8. don55 Established Member Joined: Feb 2004 southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1881 Super stripped VTS transit camper iveco work hor

   #8 15th May 2009, 01:06

   lols
   
   fucking polishing a T B, ever next.
   
   as for noticeably quicker, there is really only one thing you can do, without spending hundreds, and that is to strip the excess weight from it.
9. user_32481 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Milk 'n' Beans (Milton Keynes, MK2) Posts: 3243 MK1 Trackin S engined R, 112.5 ATW, approx 135 ATF

   #9 15th May 2009, 07:45

   Loose the interior mate
10. turbomadvtr Trouble Maker Joined: Oct 2008 NEWCASTLE Posts: 438 Saxo VTR MK1

    #10 15th May 2009, 08:03

    Port & Polished Throttle BODY ?! LMAO WTF £40 ?!
11. ldavies Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Driving my GTI Posts: 2659 Boosted 106 GTI 16V Supercharged

    #11 15th May 2009, 08:45

    most people start of with breathing mods mate, ie induction kit, 4-2-1 or 4-1 manifold - de cat new exhaust system then after that cams.
    its all down to how much money you have to spend really.
12. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #12 15th May 2009, 08:51

    Strip it.
    
    Costs £0.00 as long as you have an assortment of tools. So IMO, best performance-per-pound mod you can do.
    
    If you want to keep your interior, and don't mind spending a little money, Ryan's mention of the gears is your best bet.
13. gixxa Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 manchester Posts: 1704 vtr turbo

    #13 15th May 2009, 10:03

    depends on budget, for £200 you could get a manifold and full exhuast if you look around. Then strip it at the same time and you will feel a big gain
14. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #14 15th May 2009, 10:12

    I would s=go go for S1 rallye box if you can get one will cost you a few quid but will be off the mark better, then the usual manifold, exhaust induction
15. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #15 15th May 2009, 10:18

    Stripping is deffo a good idea. Ive done mine twice and still same after 2nd time i did and never looked back. Makes soooo much difference at handling and accelerating. Makes it more fun too drive. Id strip it and get a panel filter, Mani and zorst and springs if on a budget and new pads upfront.
16. liam-o Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1346

    #16 15th May 2009, 10:24

    you could sell the vtr interior and buy some bucket seats too
17. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #17 15th May 2009, 13:27

    my vtr feels quicker with a vts box, that only cost me £100. next £2-300 i spend will be on a vts engine, to get to 120bhp out pf the vtr it would probably cost £1k+ so consider than when someone tells you they'll give you 5bhp for £40

    1 user thanked this post: Ryanp
18. Xsi16v_Jk Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Hereford Posts: 1090 S2 Rallye ITB. Seat Leon FR. Clio 182FF. XSi 16v

    #18 15th May 2009, 13:39

    100% strip..
19. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

    #19 15th May 2009, 14:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeM my vtr feels quicker with a vts box, that only cost me £100. next £2-300 i spend will be on a vts engine, to get to 120bhp out pf the vtr it would probably cost £1k+ so consider than when someone tells you they'll give you 5bhp for £40

    I'll give you 5bhp for 40 quid and the next 5 for a bargain price of 20 quid
20. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #20 15th May 2009, 14:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr_P I'll give you 5bhp for 40 quid and the next 5 for a bargain price of 20 quid

    is that all on the condition that i give you £2000 for another 10bhp? and i have to get it all at the same time?
21. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

    #21 15th May 2009, 14:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeM is that all on the condition that i give you £2000 for another 10bhp? and i have to get it all at the same time?

    Yup. And no guarantees.
22. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #22 15th May 2009, 14:17

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Saxo-VTS-Peuge...3%3A1|294%3A50
23. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #23 15th May 2009, 14:18

    ^^^ check otha items theres a vts gearbox on 99p on there too, soz again i cant find an edit button anywhere!
24. turbomadvtr Trouble Maker Joined: Oct 2008 NEWCASTLE Posts: 438 Saxo VTR MK1

    #24 15th May 2009, 14:26

    Twin 40's !
25. cj_99 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2008 Huntingdon Posts: 3037 JC

    #25 15th May 2009, 14:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Saxo-VTS-Peuge...3%3A1|294%3A50

    That wont fit a vtr
26. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #26 15th May 2009, 14:41

    it wud if he changed the head for a 16v
27. turbomadvtr Trouble Maker Joined: Oct 2008 NEWCASTLE Posts: 438 Saxo VTR MK1

    #27 15th May 2009, 14:45

    LOL this ill give you 40 brake
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/40+BHP-CHIP-&-...503116001r4397
28. cj_99 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2008 Huntingdon Posts: 3037 JC

    #28 15th May 2009, 14:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt it wud if he changed the head for a 16v

    no the 16v head does not fit a vtr
29. turbomadvtr Trouble Maker Joined: Oct 2008 NEWCASTLE Posts: 438 Saxo VTR MK1

    #29 15th May 2009, 14:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt it wud if he changed the head for a 16v

    LOL wtf ?!
30. cj_99 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2008 Huntingdon Posts: 3037 JC

    #30 15th May 2009, 14:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by turbomadvtr LOL this ill give you 40 brake http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/40+BHP-CHIP-&-...503116001r4397

    haha i love the sticker on it
31. turbomadvtr Trouble Maker Joined: Oct 2008 NEWCASTLE Posts: 438 Saxo VTR MK1

    #31 15th May 2009, 14:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cj_99 haha i love the sticker on it

    Lmao +1
32. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #32 15th May 2009, 15:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cj_99 no the 16v head does not fit a vtr

    then make it fit!
33. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #33 15th May 2009, 15:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt then make it fit!

    Unless you like pissing into the wind then the only realistic way is to use the 16v bottom end.
34. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #34 15th May 2009, 15:06

    i read on here the 8v block and 16v block are the same?
35. cj_99 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2008 Huntingdon Posts: 3037 JC

    #35 15th May 2009, 15:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt i read on here the 8v block and 16v block are the same?

    whoever said it should be shot in the face
36. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #36 15th May 2009, 15:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt i read on here the 8v block and 16v block are the same?

    They use totally different piston crowns for a start.
    
    Also is the ebay link youres by any chance? posting it everywhere, keen for a sale
37. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #37 15th May 2009, 15:09

    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho....php?p=2835297
38. mrjayt Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 HH Posts: 116 Vts, Impreza, 106, 306, Polo

    #38 15th May 2009, 15:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan They use totally different piston crowns for a start. Also is the ebay link youres by any chance? posting it everywhere, keen for a sale

    haha nah im jus keepin an eye on the covers n thought id chuck the link up bein helpful but that aint gone down too well lol
39. cj_99 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2008 Huntingdon Posts: 3037 JC

    #39 15th May 2009, 15:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho....php?p=2835297

    It doesnt say anywhere in that link that they are the same
40. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #40 15th May 2009, 15:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrjayt haha nah im jus keepin an eye on the covers n thought id chuck the link up bein helpful but that aint gone down too well lol

    well its not that helpful posting it in a vtr thread, then saying it bolts on when it doesnt without some work
41. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #41 15th May 2009, 15:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cj_99 It doesnt say anywhere in that link that they are the same

    AX racing (tom iirc) said it - However the internals are not the same. The block isnt the entire bottom end.
42. cj_99 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2008 Huntingdon Posts: 3037 JC

    #42 15th May 2009, 15:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan AX racing (tom iirc) said it - However the internals are not the same. The block isnt the entire bottom end.

    yeah but it still wont fit lol
43. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #43 15th May 2009, 15:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cj_99 yeah but it still wont fit lol

    Sandy brown has a 1.4 16v hybrid running in a hillclimb series.
    
    It wasnt just the matter of bolting on the 16v head to the 1.4 bottom end though. it can be done but isnt economical, its only real benifit is if you are limited by racing class to say 1400cc and want the better form of 8more valves
44. saxsport123 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 62 Black 53 Plate VTR

    #44 15th May 2009, 18:33

    i would love to put a 16v engine in but my car only has 29,000 miles on, do you not think its a waste?
45. turbomadvtr Trouble Maker Joined: Oct 2008 NEWCASTLE Posts: 438 Saxo VTR MK1

    #45 15th May 2009, 18:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CitroenSport i would love to put a 16v engine in but my car only has 29,000 miles on, do you not think its a waste?

    Sell me your engine then lol , imo its a waste. If you want a VTS buy one aswel !
46. Tsaxovtr Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 BasingJoke Posts: 1058 x3 saxo's and a 306

    #46 15th May 2009, 19:31

    good aftermarket induction kit and de cat i could feel the differnce tbh
47. M1VT Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 Bangor N.Wales Posts: 3085 B5.5 Passat 20V Turbo

    #47 15th May 2009, 19:33

    8 more valves....
    or take the restrictor pipe out of your STD induction system
48. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #48 15th May 2009, 20:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CitroenSport i would love to put a 16v engine in but my car only has 29,000 miles on, do you not think its a waste?

    Mine had 24k.
    
    Best thing i ever did was invest in 8 extra valves.
49. smearsvtr Established Member Joined: May 2007 My House in Burton on trent near derby Posts: 1025 Saxo 1.1 96 Saxo VTR 2000

    #49 16th May 2009, 00:11

    tbh like said vts conversion is most economical and is pretty straight forward
50. Liio Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Llynfi Valley Posts: 420 Citroen Saxo VTR

    #50 16th May 2009, 10:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by M1VT 8 more valves.... or take the restrictor pipe out of your STD induction system

    
    Which bit is the restrictor. Isit the bit that sits underneath the actual panel filter
51. tomgarrett Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2007 UK Posts: 825 Icelandic Vtr

    #51 16th May 2009, 12:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Liio Which bit is the restrictor. Isit the bit that sits underneath the actual panel filter

    its the pipes that feed the air into the airbox
52. saxsport123 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 62 Black 53 Plate VTR

    #52 16th May 2009, 13:15

    how much for me to buy a low millage vts engine and then labour from a garage to fit? £800 or something?