peugeot sport cams and ecu

16th May 2009, 15:30

hi guys,

basically ive just bought some peugeot sport cams and ECU for my 16v track car

the ecu says '616160 - cup' on it

i just want to know what the cams are like, ie duration, lift etc compared to standard/708s/newmans and what not

also whether or not the cup ecu will run the engine fine with my other mods which are a full exhaust system and induction kit.

im also planning on fitting a ported and polished head at the same time as the cams if that will make a difference

ANY help appreciated.
cheers
nath

16th May 2009, 16:53

pm ryan i think he was selling something like this a few weeks ago,he will be able to tell you more anyways..

16th May 2009, 18:22

kewl cheers dude will do

16th May 2009, 18:29

you dont know what you bought?

they may need pistons etc

16th May 2009, 19:06

they dont need pistons mate, they can run on standard valvetrain all i want to know is details on them such as duration etc so i can compare them to 708s

and whether anyone has previously installed them so that can give me feedback.

i wouldnt buy something i know nothing about and it the information was easily sourced then i wouldnt have posted up on this forum!

but you type in peugeot sport cams on a search engine and you get bugger all helpful

16th May 2009, 19:13

Im buying a car on weds, it has been cammed and has a Pugsport ECU.
Its running 708Catcams and made 151bhp.
Standard valvetrain but i will upgrade when i buy the car.

I would say the duration isnt far off 708s etc but not to sure..but yeah ryan is your best bet

16th May 2009, 19:27

kewl, i have heard that theyre not as aggressive as 708s

that theyre a mild cam etc but thats what i want as the car, even though its tack based, is my daily driver.

151bhp isnt too bad.

ive got 143bhp now with a full exhaust system and induction kit unmapped, so if i get 8bhp from these cams and ecu ill be happy

has anyone got ryan's username?

16th May 2009, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

ive got 143bhp now with a full exhaust system and induction kit unmapped,

you havent gained 23bhp with exhaust and induction kit...lies

16th May 2009, 19:37

youve got 23bhp from filter and pipe?

if its the pugsport ones ryan had, he was running about 150 with bodies so milder yes

16th May 2009, 19:44

lol i knew that would raise hell posting that figure

im running an s1 box, raceland 4-2-1 heatwrapped, 2" pugsport and a bmc cda

142.9bhp on the rollers.

mate of mine with basically exactly the same mods but with 708s as well (unmapped)

just made 153bhp.

16th May 2009, 19:46

also just to add, dont be fooled by my post count. im not as much of a noob to cars as most people are probably thinking

ive personally built a 200bhp NA b16 civic (watch out for the magasine feature)

and im studying motorsport engineering at uni

16th May 2009, 19:57

nice, fair play to you.

142 bhp just breathed is impressive?
My mates cammed saxo, 708s piper 4-1 decat and system made 158 bhp thats unsing a unichip.

16th May 2009, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

lol i knew that would raise hell posting that figure

im running an s1 box, raceland 4-2-1 heatwrapped, 2" pugsport and a bmc cda

142.9bhp on the rollers.

mate of mine with basically exactly the same mods but with 708s as well (unmapped)

just made 153bhp.

plenty of people have done them mods, why would you be the only one to gain 22.9bhp with just zorst and filter?

think your telling fibs.......................................

or the rollers are horribly out

16th May 2009, 20:02

upload a pic of your RR graph...

16th May 2009, 20:03

yeh it impressive and if i went on another set of rollers and made like 135bhp i wouldnt care as it goes as well as i want it to for the mods done

and allows me to play with bigger cars that should be out of my league

the 2" pugsport is from the manifold back so is technically a decat as well

yeh exactly cams add 6-12bhp dependant on other mods and a remap smoothes everything and give it that lil bit more.

my mate with the 153bhp made his peak power at his rev limit, running pt51 cams

16th May 2009, 20:15

106 CUP ECUs have no lambda loop. They were never intended to pass a MOT and never intended to work on anything other than a well looked after 106 CUP spec engine. These engines are considerably different to the standard 106/Saxo engines. They are not something you would really wish to use unless you have a 106 CUP car that you are going to rally with. For a road car or a race car with any other spec engine than the 106 CUP engine you would be better to just remap the stock ECU or best get standalone than use a 106 CUP ECU. Also the CUP ECU does not fit many Saxos.

16th May 2009, 20:21

200hp out of a b16 mustnt of been easy what has it got b18c internals or some other sort of stroker kit ? Very hairy cams with itb's?

Matt.

16th May 2009, 20:30

106 cup cars were limited to 150bhp (or meant to be)
the cams are milder than 708s, mine made 157.2bhp with bodies, i donthave the cam specs and i didnt drive the car with it in.

16th May 2009, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

ive got 143bhp now with a full exhaust system and induction kit unmapped, so if i get 8bhp from these cams and ecu ill be happy

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomgarrett

you havent gained 23bhp with exhaust and induction kit...lies

My mate had a vts with raceland 4,2,1 enclosed induction but filterless, and de-catted janspeed exhaust which made 141.1 on the rollers, i didnt belive him but he had the printout too!

16th May 2009, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

My mate had a vts with raceland 4,2,1 enclosed induction but filterless, and de-catted janspeed exhaust which made 141.1 on the rollers, i didnt belive him but he had the printout too!

oh my bad...i always thought that it would take a lot more to get gains like that though

16th May 2009, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomgarrett

oh my bad...i always thought that it would take a lot more to get gains like that though

Seems saxo engines are all different mate, and they all respond differently to similar mods!

My 1.4 westcoast engine made 79.8 bhp with an open clogged up k&N filter and a magnex backbox on 100k

I read on here a furio that managed 72ish irc which is below standard and that had mods too! and a younger engine!

16th May 2009, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by PETE-VTR

upload a pic of your RR graph...

lol i knew when i came back this post would be here, allways 1 figure chaser!

even with many other getting near same figures over the time ive owned a 106 4 years it still needs proving

RR graph:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXracing

106 CUP ECUs have no lambda loop. They were never intended to pass a MOT and never intended to work on anything other than a well looked after 106 CUP spec engine. These engines are considerably different to the standard 106/Saxo engines. They are not something you would really wish to use unless you have a 106 CUP car that you are going to rally with. For a road car or a race car with any other spec engine than the 106 CUP engine you would be better to just remap the stock ECU or best get standalone than use a 106 CUP ECU. Also the CUP ECU does not fit many Saxos.

i know that they dont have a cold start but i didnt think that it would completely useless as youre kinda making out!

well my engine will be looked after/is looked after but its in no way cained like a 106 engine so some would beg to differ when you say theyre looked after

it 100% fits my single plug loom

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

200hp out of a b16 mustnt of been easy what has it got b18c internals or some other sort of stroker kit ? Very hairy cams with itb's?

Matt.

it isnt easy at bloody all mate! its been in the process for the last two years, ive had excessive headwork, custom cams which are quite aggressive, LOTS of head work, bigger exhaust, custom intake system and obviously an aggressive map as well as many other mods

i havent changed the bottom end as it would effectively be cheating and wouldnt be a b16, jun made 197bhp, hond-r made 192bhp iirc, and theres even been a 214bhp build in the us somewhere

16th May 2009, 20:58

You must be running a cam to get your peek bhp at that many revs surely?

EDIT dont matter lol

16th May 2009, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

My mate had a vts with raceland 4,2,1 enclosed induction but filterless, and de-catted janspeed exhaust which made 141.1 on the rollers, i didnt belive him but he had the printout too!

yeh that sounds similar and a good result too, i look after my engines and tbh dont drive the life out of them unless on track

ive also got a uprated clutch and as said running a s1 box so maybe the loss through the drivetrain in less?

16th May 2009, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

You must be running a cam to get your peek bhp at that many revs surely?

standard cams as far as im aware mate, i bought the engine off a kiddy who rear ended his 2003 saxo vts, its running on 1998 gti management

engine has now done 43k

has no power steering, aircon, abs, egr and has the bolt ons mensioned. its in an s1 rallye shell.

16th May 2009, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

EDIT dont matter lol

LOL u looked at torque?

how did you edit your post or am i being stupid and have missed the button?

16th May 2009, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

yeh that sounds similar and a good result too, i look after my engines and tbh dont drive the life out of them unless on track

ive also got a uprated clutch and as said running a s1 box so maybe the loss through the drivetrain in less?

possible, but wouldnt make such a huge difference, only the gearbox would make a difference between them two parts and the s1 wouldnt have such a less loss as any other saxo box.

16th May 2009, 21:07

yeh fair point

as said im studying MS eng at uni so still have loads to learn tbh and ill be first to admit it

the engine looks pretty nuts in your avatar?

16th May 2009, 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

yeh fair point

as said im studying MS eng at uni so still have loads to learn tbh and ill be first to admit it

the engine looks pretty nuts in your avatar?

be a good course mate, wanted to do that myself, but moving to spain in 2 weeks lol.

Yeh, not my engine, but thats how my own is looking now. check my progress thread in my sig mate

16th May 2009, 21:21

will do buddy

yeh its a good course in theory, i just advise not to do it in kingston!

hate the lecturers here, allthough luckily the important stuff is taught by good ones

17th May 2009, 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by nath106

yeh it impressive and if i went on another set of rollers and made like 135bhp i wouldnt care as it goes as well as i want it to for the mods done

and allows me to play with bigger cars that should be out of my league

the 2" pugsport is from the manifold back so is technically a decat as well

yeh exactly cams add 6-12bhp dependant on other mods and a remap smoothes everything and give it that lil bit more.

my mate with the 153bhp made his peak power at his rev limit, running pt51 cams

rollers are out

even for your mate

17th May 2009, 15:19

the peugeot sport cams , maybe the same as saxo cup cams , they are like PH1 or the equivalent in catcams , the were limited to 150 bhp.

17th May 2009, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullit

rollers are out

even for your mate

yeh course they are

<rolls eyes>

how can cams be limited to 150bhp? do you mean with the lift and duration that they give you're saying theyre impossible to achieve over that bhp figure?

but they sound asthough they would be the same as those cams as they came from a 106 cup car

17th May 2009, 18:15

my mates dyno run:

http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...ad.php?t=96649

slate all you like couldnt care, proofs there