F***ing torsion bar and rear arm seized!!! Any ideas?

31st May 2009, 19:18

53 plate vtr. Drivers side rear arm came off piece of piss, and torsion bar aswel. As for the passenger side. I have tried everything in the book, socket and bolt, slide hammer, sledge hammer, litres of wd40. The lot. Neither the torsion bar or rear arm will move a nanometer. Apart from a new rear axle, is there any hope at all for lowering my rear end?

Please help

31st May 2009, 19:24

there is no such thing as a siezed torsion bar.

31st May 2009, 19:25

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

there is no such thing as a siezed torsion bar.

ok. the rear arm will not shift. the torsion bar will not shift. what would you call it?

31st May 2009, 19:29

its will move mine was pretty much not moving buy ALexB sorted it with willsy and lee no problems

31st May 2009, 19:32

me and my mates have been trying for the last 5 days now and have given up. they'v all done torsion bars before, and said this one is not going to move. might swap it for a vts

31st May 2009, 19:47

get the car securly stood
get a bar and a spare axle stand
sit bar in axle stand and against torsion bar (sitting it the stand stops it deflecting and wating energy that would move the torsion bar)
and whack the piss out of it with a lump hammer

that hasnt failed yet for me

also why remove the arm
all youll do is unseat the seals and allow the beam to fail faster
there is no need to remove the arms at all

31st May 2009, 19:50

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Originally Posted by AlexB

get the car securly stood
get a bar and a spare axle stand
sit bar in axle stand and against torsion bar (sitting it the stand stops it deflecting and wating energy that would move the torsion bar)
and whack the piss out of it with a lump hammer

that hasnt failed yet for me

also why remove the arm
all youll do is unseat the seals and allow the beam to fail faster
there is no need to remove the arms at all

lump hammer was no use, so we moved onto the sledge hammer, still no joy. i say remove, i just mean move it outwards enough so that it pulls the torsion bar out a little

31st May 2009, 20:07

so your doing it clicks/notches way

hit through so it goes out the other side
then tap back through with the arm up out the way and remove the whole bar from the car
no messing and can set the height a lot more accuratly aswell

31st May 2009, 21:41

you should be removing the arm completely not just from 1 end. your not trying hard enough if its not coming out. take ALL bolts and washers out torsion bars

31st May 2009, 21:44

i think you mean bar not arm williams

31st May 2009, 22:47

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

there is no such thing as a siezed torsion bar.

second that.

Lots of heat will un seize it fo sho!

You deffo took the washer out?

31st May 2009, 23:00

I was reminded today that this can be a right bastard! I had a beam off, one side up against a 205, sledge hammer and spare torsion bar on the other side, smacked the absolute shit out of it for about an hour before giving up and chucking the beam back in the shed for another day when i can be fucked lol

Spent 6 hours doing one guys R reg VTR that was all original. All 4 torx bolts needed chiseling undone(usual) and both of the original torsion bars were scrap so had to refit newer ones!!!

1st June 2009, 14:54

Im not a complete retard lol. All torx and bolts were removed, damper removed, anti roll bar taken out. All ofset washers were removed. Nothing more soothing than smashing a bolt with a sledge hammer when your stressed.
I called it "siezed" because it wont budge, sorry if this word offends some of you.
I just find it wierd one side was a piece of piss to do, yet the other bar wont budge

1st June 2009, 15:05

take the axle off the car if needs be.

it doesnt offend any one mate

just means your not trying hard enough lol

Get the axle off the car, get a fuck off blow torch, a bar and a fuck of sledge hammer.

It WILL come out.

1st June 2009, 15:31

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Originally Posted by AlexR

I was reminded today that this can be a right bastard! I had a beam off, one side up against a 205, sledge hammer and spare torsion bar on the other side, smacked the absolute shit out of it for about an hour before giving up and chucking the beam back in the shed for another day when i can be fucked lol

Spent 6 hours doing one guys R reg VTR that was all original. All 4 torx bolts needed chiseling undone(usual) and both of the original torsion bars were scrap so had to refit newer ones!!!

The joys of torsion bars ey Alex

Dremmel is a mans best friend when it comes to the torx bolts. Cut a small line and tap up with a decent quality screwdriver. New bolts only cost 6p each so much easier to replace and save some stress. Never fails

Got it down to a T

1st June 2009, 20:03

I have only ever done my own torsion bar! But it took me 2 hits with a sledgehammer to get each out on a 2000 saxo! I heated the bars up and smashed! Try heat?

1st June 2009, 21:20

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Originally Posted by matt_vtr_15

I have only ever done my own torsion bar! But it took me 2 hits with a sledgehammer to get each out on a 2000 saxo! I heated the bars up and smashed! Try heat?

where abouts did you heat? surely if you heat the end of the torsion bar its going to expand and make it harder to come out?

1st June 2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by mattt_VTR

where abouts did you heat? surely if you heat the end of the torsion bar its going to expand and make it harder to come out?

Heated it all up and let it cool down it seemed to do the trick

1st June 2009, 22:10

soak it in coca cola that stuff eats the rust away no joke

1st June 2009, 22:30

yeah i am sorting out my tortion tomorow after i make my boot install inbetween lessons!

1st June 2009, 23:04

as weird as it sounds the coke method does work if you soak it over a few days guy i know gabbastard has done it a few times with this method

2nd June 2009, 09:19

use 1 of these for torx bolts, never ever had 1 strip or 1 i cant get out with this

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...0070926x00003a

do about 3 or 4 torsion bars a month and never had 1 that hasnt come out. got it down to an hour from putting the car on the lift to putting it back on the floor.

2nd June 2009, 12:43

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

use 1 of these for torx bolts, never ever had 1 strip or 1 i cant get out with this

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...0070926x00003a

do about 3 or 4 torsion bars a month and never had 1 that hasnt come out. got it down to an hour from putting the car on the lift to putting it back on the floor.

similar to a slide hammer then? when we used the slide hammer, the main problem was the arch pannel getting in the way, couldnt get a full pull on the slide hammer

2nd June 2009, 13:19

its nothing like a slide hammer mate. its uses an impact action to undo the bolts, never rounded any off like that.

than i hit the bars out with a bar and a hammer.

2nd June 2009, 20:43

Me and my mate lowered my car and were dreading the torsion bars but they came out piece of piss with wd40, bolt socket and nut method and an extension and wooden mallet on the end.

20th June 2009, 13:03

Right. If the car has been lowered before and then put back to standard, would it be possible that the splines on the end of the torsion bar could become crossed, hence it not being able to come out? I am getting fed up now lol, we'v done almost everything possible (including fucking up one end of the torsion bar from hitting it so hard)

20th June 2009, 13:31

Your not too far from Alex, Willsy and that lot why not take it to them If they've never had one they can't do, surely it's worth it instead of potentially fucking it if u keep smashing it and your doing something wrong?

That's my 2pence worth anyway.

30th June 2009, 09:03

What type of bar are you all using to hit the end of the torsion bar with? Im determined to do this myself. (ocd lol)

30th June 2009, 09:06

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Originally Posted by mattt_VTR

What type of bar are you all using to hit the end of the torsion bar with? Im determined to do this myself. (ocd lol)

An old 22mm anti roll bar

30th June 2009, 09:11

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Originally Posted by willsy

An old 22mm anti roll bar

Sounds good. Cheers bud

30th June 2009, 11:43

mine was similar, just keep heating it up knockinng it, we found if you hit it both ways to loosen it up was the best way then 0nce free hit it out the side you need.

30th June 2009, 11:46

I knew it would be hard to do, but i cant believe how hard it actually is! Tried hitting it with a smaller bar last week and it didnt move at all, seemed like it was attatched to something. But i had taken all 4 washers and torx bolts out... i guess i need a bigger bar and a bigger hammer

22nd August 2009, 16:52

im at the same point as you atm...
everything out, just the last bar!
i hit one side, and yes! it moved! i could see the splines!
went round the otherside to fine the arm had budged with the torsion bar STILL inside!
haha, i think the teeth have just seized/melted on so much...no idea how im gna get it out as one sides free but the other it part of the arm because its melted on..sorta?
grim times...
J x

22nd August 2009, 19:21

you get 2 hammers, 2 people and hammer from both sides. they are not melted or stuck.

22nd August 2009, 19:26

still no luck lol

22nd August 2009, 22:47

i had to take the rear beam off the car and then cut the bars in half with an angle grinder
i was replaceing them with larger ones
It was one of the nasty job i have done

i downloaded a how too from the net and i must have damaged 3 big sockets and all of my knuckles so plan b help

23rd August 2009, 19:32

I always thought mine was stuck but finally did it last month.
Took 4 hours in the end, hitting the feck out of the torision bar with a custom metal bar i made... and a great big lump hammer.
Dont give up... it WILL come out! oh and when you get it out whack some copper grease on the end, so if you ever want to go higher or lower the bar will come out easy