2.0 Redtop in Saxo?

13th June 2009, 20:43

Had a long search, turned up nothing but novas and corsas

Could you get one to fit in a Saxo?

How tunable are they? I know there 150bhp standard, do breathing mods make much of a difference on them?

13th June 2009, 20:45

Same old story, depends how deep your pockets are. For the level of effort and money involed, especially with mounts and shafts, using the 16v lump and going down the conventional routes would be more effective

13th June 2009, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Same old story, depends how deep your pockets are. For the level of effort and money involed, especially with mounts and shafts, using the 16v lump and going down the conventional routes would be cheaper

So, custom engine mounts, custom drivshafts, what about gearbox?

I think it might be worth it for the extra 30bhp over a S engine?

13th June 2009, 20:50

doubt it, you would spend more just getting it to fit and run than you would getting an 's' to 150hp. my nova was 185hp with breathing mods, cams and remap. but then it died. still ran 14.5 sec 1/4 miles with a very fucked engine.

13th June 2009, 20:52

Looks like its definetly a S engine then

I heard the GTI-6 engines arnt very tunable? true?

13th June 2009, 20:52

its a big engine so i doubt it would go in easily, and you'd have trouble with sump and manifold clearance.
customs mounts and shafts would be needed as well as standalone. tb'd you'd see 180bhp, but for the same money in a turbo vts you'd probably get to the region of 250bhp

13th June 2009, 20:54

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Looks like its definetly a S engine then

I heard the GTI-6 engines arnt very tunable? true?

6 engine is at a high state of tune as standard, and without sounding like a broken record the cost involved you'd be better of with a tuned vts

13th June 2009, 20:55

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Looks like its definetly a S engine then

I heard the GTI-6 engines arnt very tunable? true?

are you looking to do the conversion yourself? if not its gunna cost you a lot. if you are you'll prob need decent machining and fabrication skills. + be good with auto electrics and general mechanics.

13th June 2009, 20:55

Looks like a S engine is the best way to go then

Debating wether N/A or Turbo at the min though.

13th June 2009, 20:55

Yes it can be done buts its going to be a right pain. The XU is easier to fit. Gear linkage works the same way and all the box and engine mountings are in a similar place so its relatively simple to get in there. If you get the lucky most the parts were actually available off the shelf to do it as they were used in the 106 cup. Well apart from the drivers side engine mount that you will have to cut out of another car or just weld up your own one.

13th June 2009, 20:57

just get the S engine in, ive just finished mine and i wouldnt like to have tried anything more complicated like a gti-6 engine

13th June 2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

I heard the GTI-6 engines arnt very tunable? true?

Don't know about that in touring cars and rallying it was normally the engine to beat (for power output)

13th June 2009, 21:05

And youd be forever chasing oil leaks with the vaux lump

13th June 2009, 21:07

lol, why bother chase them,? they are designed to leak.

13th June 2009, 23:05

the older mi16 engine with alloy block was in an old will gollop 306 turboed with 635bhp,good engine, used in old touring cars with 250-300 bhp.Been looking through some old CCC mags

13th June 2009, 23:11

A Vtec in the back will be better and probably cost the same as a redtop in the front.

13th June 2009, 23:27

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Originally Posted by JoshB

A Vtec in the back will be better and probably cost the same as a redtop in the front.

Will fook the handling though

13th June 2009, 23:37

would be good in a straight line, but when it come to corners you would wish you never bothered.

If you were going to the trouble of a red top, why not look into the k series rover engine. They are very light for a 2.0 and are very tuneable.

14th June 2009, 04:08

c20xe is an expensive conversion even for a vaux let alone a saxo with the custom mounts and whatnot thats if it will even fit... if you was going to the trouble of getting it to work you may as well drop a c20let in it (200bhp) lol

14th June 2009, 08:03

The XE engine is tunable but wont be an easy conversion. Prices for an engine start at £200+ and for a LET its usually around the 1K figure.

14th June 2009, 08:24

do a 1.8 K series conversion standard 160bhp and can easily be tuned up to 200 and even 250. have even mated one up to my shell and the mounts are roughly in the same place.

14th June 2009, 10:11

get 220 turbo lump shoehorned in there!!

14th June 2009, 10:58

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Had a long search, turned up nothing but novas and corsas

Could you get one to fit in a Saxo?

How tunable are they? I know there 150bhp standard, do breathing mods make much of a difference on them?

hallo.

i guess you could get one to fit if you could be arsed but they are not worth the effort at all.

redtop engines are 153 bhp standard assuming everything is in good working order. (piston rings etc...)

they are very hard to tune unless you have massive pockets. breathing mods wont make much diference on these im afraid.

if you want info on anything like this have a look on corsa sport/ muppet sport.

also redtop engines are very heavy. they have cast heads.

the astra GTES (red top engined) with breathing mods VS my vts with breathing mods were dead level.

its not worth bothering with at alll tbh. i hope this helps

14th June 2009, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Jordysport

do a 1.8 K series conversion standard 160bhp and can easily be tuned up to 200 and even 250. have even mated one up to my shell and the mounts are roughly in the same place.

Correct and you can pinch many of the parts from the Metro to fit it. It fits nicely there was a yellow Saxo floating about not that long ago that had this done.

14th June 2009, 12:00

Rover K series? Dont these have headgasket trouble

Or am i getting mixed up?

14th June 2009, 12:07

i thought you wouldn't do an engine swap especially for a vts engine because you think the vtr is better, and you prefer the power delivery.

i'm only repeating what you said a few months ago...

14th June 2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

i thought you wouldn't do an engine swap especially for a vts engine because you think the vtr is better, and you prefer the power delivery.

i'm only repeating what you said a few months ago...

I have never spoke of "power delivery" on here yet

And i do like the VTR, i think its excellent, but obviously not as good as a VTS, or some of the other engines people have suggested.

14th June 2009, 12:13

you definately said you preferred the way the vtr drove compared to the vts, because i remember being sat by the computer laughing!

14th June 2009, 12:15

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

you definately said you preferred the way the vtr drove compared to the vts, because i remember being sat by the computer laughing!

i doubt it. he knows his stuff mate. we all know a vts is better than a vtr.

plus its down to personal opinion

14th June 2009, 12:15

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

you definately said you preferred the way the vtr drove compared to the vts, because i remember being sat by the computer laughing!

I have never drove a VTS

And since it has 30bhp more than my VTR and is 16v, i think the VTS is going to be the better car.

I do like the way the VTR drives, i think its a very capable car, but with a 30bhp deficit and twice as many valves, the S is a much more capable car.

14th June 2009, 12:20

lol, that was also said at the time, and you wouldn't have it!

do you think the ported and polished tb's are crap too now? or are you still a firm believer that they give you more power?

14th June 2009, 12:22

I am still a firm believer that they give better throttle response and a better pull yes. TBH i didnt make this thread so that we can argue over stupid things.

14th June 2009, 12:25

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Originally Posted by maddison_vts

lol, that was also said at the time, and you wouldn't have it!

do you think the ported and polished tb's are crap too now? or are you still a firm believer that they give you more power?

gas flowed tbs can give you a couple of HP. if done correctly. your not helping or commenting on the thread topic so why post?

14th June 2009, 12:30

if your looking at doing a k16 conversion your better to start off with a metro shell tbh easier conversion and littier than a saxo iirc.

Can vouch how good they are i had a k16.

14th June 2009, 12:56

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Originally Posted by gouldy87

gas flowed tbs can give you a couple of HP. if done correctly. your not helping or commenting on the thread topic so why post?

i don't see it myself.

95% of the posts by people aren't useful or helpful so i don't see that it matters that i asked a question. I'm not spamming like a lot of people do.

I've also just dug up a thread where saxovtr123 was bashing on about how he would never change to a vts and how a vtr is well worth tuning because with little effort could 'stay with a vts'

i'm not trying to start an arguement, just wandering whats changed?

14th June 2009, 17:39

Just a question, how do you plan on insuring any engine conversion you talk about without even a full licence?

14th June 2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by gouldy87

hallo.

i guess you could get one to fit if you could be arsed but they are not worth the effort at all.

redtop engines are 153 bhp standard assuming everything is in good working order. (piston rings etc...)

they are very hard to tune unless you have massive pockets. breathing mods wont make much diference on these im afraid.

if you want info on anything like this have a look on corsa sport/ muppet sport.

also redtop engines are very heavy. they have cast heads.

the astra GTES (red top engined) with breathing mods VS my vts with breathing mods were dead level.

its not worth bothering with at alll tbh. i hope this helps

how are XE's hard to tune? and which heads arent cast? all heads i know of are cast and then machined.

XE nova/corsa will leave a vts imo

14th June 2009, 21:20

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

how are XE's hard to tune? and which heads arent cast? all heads i know of are cast and then machined.

XE nova/corsa will leave a vts imo

Plus as we know the XE lumps respond very very well to bodies unlike TUs

14th June 2009, 21:23

where do some people get there info??

very easy to get 200hp on an XE for little money.

14th June 2009, 21:31

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Originally Posted by williamsvts

where do some people get there info??

very easy to get 200hp on an XE for little money.

Awaits the toys being thrown in response

I fucking hate vauxhalls, think they look utter gash, nova/corsa/ashtra/vectra etc...

But from a tuning point of view they are very respected, used in different kit cars (along with 2.0L duratecs) and on bodies produce very good power/torque.

14th June 2009, 21:36

Late XE engines:
-Dispack
-heavier flywheel
-Stronger crank
-Runs smoother

Early XE engines
-Dizzy
-cocast head
-lighter flywheel

Cambelt route is also different

14th June 2009, 21:55

v-tec would be my choice light engine and probably same trouble to fit as an xe + up to 9000rpm

14th June 2009, 22:18

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Originally Posted by smokinjones

v-tec would be my choice light engine and probably same trouble to fit as an xe + up to 9000rpm

he has a point, it would be as much work to fit a 1.6/1.8 honda engine into a saxo as a 20xe/let

14th June 2009, 22:19

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Originally Posted by smokinjones

v-tec would be my choice light engine and probably same trouble to fit as an xe + up to 9000rpm

K20 engines are not cheap.

14th June 2009, 22:44

b16's are cheap ^^

Imo corsa red tops arnt actully that fast, i know a few previous owners of both nova and corsa 2.0's and ill admit they only breathing mods no bodys etc but i was disapointed with there performance.

Maybe i was expecting to much?

(awaits vauxhall threw and threw to shoot me down in rag)

14th June 2009, 22:50

Mini as said I hate vauxhall heaps, but been in a few 2.0L novas and been more impressed than when ive been in shitvic typeRs for example

14th June 2009, 22:53

Any saxos with R1 or Hyabusa engines?

14th June 2009, 22:53

No point the hassle of a B16, might as well tune a VTS engine.

14th June 2009, 22:53

vtec's are lame without fettling if you got one with a proper induction and exhaust gawww that noise ^^

I was on combe not long ago with a bodied mk3 gashtra gsi was quite quick but handled like a barge even with suspenion and arbs

Not met a corsa/nova on track yet. Or any saxo to think about it...

14th June 2009, 22:54

Vauxhalls are all about straight line speed imo

14th June 2009, 22:55

Most vaux owners seem to be set up for 1/4miles anyway lol!

Ive seen a few very well set up track/race cars.

The nova/corsas can be quite competitive in different forms of motorsport.

Ive met an E36 M3 on track in a saxo if that counts

14th June 2009, 22:59

How did you get on ryan mate with the m3? where you in your pug sport thing?

Wouldnt mind going in proper set up nova/corsa always look at them on PH for what seems cheap money. They seem to average around the 3k mark.

But i have heard some horror storys of converted cars in the past

14th June 2009, 22:59

If I was converting a Corsa I would get a C18XE just to be different.

Vauxhall claimed they had 125bhp but in reality they were above 140bhp!

14th June 2009, 23:01

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

How did you get on ryan mate with the m3? where you in your pug sport thing?

He came running over to me in the pits asking what the fuck it had done to it, as I absolutely shat on him lol!

He was a really cool dude though, was quite a chatty/friendly guy in general and found it quite funny that a saxo was upsetting alot of 'better' cars there that day.

A well set up M3 driven hard obviously would again shit on me in return though.

14th June 2009, 23:06

thats the thing with e36 owners, ive found there genuine lads not like those e46 cunts in there shirts and bluetooths ^^

Tracks a weird one you can never guess whats fast and not. Damn run down looking k20 mini's LOL

14th June 2009, 23:09

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Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

thats the thing with e36 owners, ive found there genuine lads not like those e46 cunts in there shirts and bluetooths ^^

Tracks a weird one you can never guess whats fast and not. Damn run down looking k20 mini's LOL

Alot of E36s have fallen into the wrong hands now they are very cheap for what they are to sadly.

I still love well set up E30s

Usually at brands its easy to see whats fast and what isnt, Just see for blue flags

15th June 2009, 22:05

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Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Any saxos with R1 or Hyabusa engines?

talked to a guy who had 1 he says theyre awsome foot fully down but anything else is a nightmare iirc