90bhp and 98bhp vtr

1. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

   #1 17th June 2009, 17:58

   hi im just wondering is ther much difference in speed between 90bhp and 98bhp mk2 vtr??
2. chriswoodward Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Surrey Posts: 1326 05 Mini Cooper S

   #2 17th June 2009, 18:00

   8 bhp lol
   
   on a serious note it just depends what condition etc the cars are in and how well they have been looked after as to whether you will notice the difference
3. MiniGibbo Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2007 Bournemouth Posts: 15289 '04 VW Transporter.

   #3 17th June 2009, 18:00

   on the road its not noticable, How ever many 98hp owners will preach how theyre well faster init blud.
4. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

   #4 17th June 2009, 18:02

   lol ok cheers
5. Add91289 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 In The Peak District Posts: 2348 Icelandic VT?

   #5 17th June 2009, 18:03

   0.8 seconds in the 0-60 times 9.9 and 9.1 iirc
6. kendrick Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Coventry Posts: 421 Two Tone VTR

   #6 17th June 2009, 18:06

   Havn't tried both cars but if there is an 8bhp difference then you should feel the difference as its almost 10% increase. Obviously as said in above posts you could have pristine mk1 running just under 90 and a thrashed mk2 running under 75 so you just take your chances tbh.
7. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

   #7 17th June 2009, 18:07

   yea, i have a mk2 90bhp 1 and it feels to pull realy well, and feels more torque than my old 98bhp engine i had in a 106
8. Add91289 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 In The Peak District Posts: 2348 Icelandic VT?

   #8 17th June 2009, 18:13

   also lower tax and better fule economy in the 98bhp engine
9. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #9 17th June 2009, 18:15

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MiniGibbo on the road its not noticable, How ever many 98hp owners will preach how theyre well faster init blud.

   they are faster.....
   
   comes down to the driver.
10. AlexN Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Swindon Posts: 1054 VTR, EP3, S2000

    #10 17th June 2009, 18:19

    ive driven both (standard) when i was looking for a vtr. and i thought the 98bhp one slightley quicker
11. Lewis1600 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2009 Los Anglesey Posts: 3416 Ibiza Sport TDI / MK1 VTS

    #11 17th June 2009, 18:27

    My mate had a Hammerd Vtr 90 model mk1....125k on the clocks! smashed it twice.. really never looked after it.. had a back back and no middle box... standard air box..
    
    Put it on the dyno and Pushed Out 92bhp! Still cant belive it!
    
    Ohh sorry went on the dyno with no back box!
12. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #12 17th June 2009, 19:31

    the 98bhp is marginally quicker
13. biggee1988 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 54

    #13 17th June 2009, 21:37

    90bhp one has cat under the car and 98bhp is on the manifold. as standard cars IMO 90bhp is faster because its has less retriction in exhuast
14. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #14 17th June 2009, 21:39

    lmao how can you say that? fair play you said imo but wtf,
15. kendrick Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Coventry Posts: 421 Two Tone VTR

    #15 17th June 2009, 21:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by biggee1988 90bhp one has cat under the car and 98bhp is on the manifold. as standard cars IMO 90bhp is faster because its has less retriction in exhuast

    Tbh mate 90bhp one has the same cat as the mk2 bar the positioning so the restriction is exactly the same unless decatted then the mk2 airbox is less restrictive.
16. RichyBoiVTR Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 324 mk2 8valve

    #16 17th June 2009, 21:50

    ive got a mk2 98bhp and my brother got a mk1 90bhp mine pulls off quicker not that much just enough to say mines faster....
17. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

    #17 17th June 2009, 22:22

    In the end the only people who say there isn't much in it, are those with the 90bhp engine. My 98 we estimated would have made about 101 standard. A fair bit quicker than the 90 model.
18. goodall3518 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Derby Posts: 2376 Saxo VTw ?

    #18 17th June 2009, 23:43

    this is stupid debating it. as standard, in the exact same condition, the mk2 will be marginally faster, and yes will feel marginally quicker.
    
    beacuse it has 8bhp extra. End of.
19. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #19 18th June 2009, 09:08

    There are to many other factors that can determin it. If you had a 90bhp VTR and a 98bhp VTR, both properly maintained, then the MK2 VTR (98bhp) Would just creap past.
    But, say if the 98bhp hasnt been maintained awell as the 90bhp, then they would be about even. Also little things like if there is loads of crap in the car? If the spare wheel is still in, type of tyres, Driver weight, DRIVER SKILL is another key factor.
    
    There is too much to determin, but most of the time the mk2 will be marginally quicker.
20. sminotVTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Borehamwood, Hertfordshire. Posts: 1712 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR 2003.

    #20 18th June 2009, 09:19

    I've driven both my brother in laws mk1 doesnt seem to have the same pull and feels a bit heavier but it's not that noticeable when you're doing national speed, mainly the pull off but made me appreciate getting back into mine... shamed to admit i actually enjoyed the mk1 because it felt more glued to the ground
21. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #21 18th June 2009, 09:35

    always found the 98bhp gets better mpg aswel
    
    cheaper tax more mpg its the one to go for imo.
    
    although there is this myth, which tbf is mostly true, 3plugs have more problems and dont see as much gain from mods.
22. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #22 18th June 2009, 09:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS although there is this myth, which tbf is mostly true, 3plugs have more problems and dont see as much gain from mods.

    my vtr engine never went wrong at all (3 plug 98vhp) and responded very well to basic breathing mods
23. spiderxjz82 Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2008 Northampton Posts: 193 VX220 S/C

    #23 18th June 2009, 12:41

    The '3 plug' myth, is a load of rubbish, it really really is, there is NO reason for there to be any differences. My 98 engine is at 124 now... Doesn't sound like it's "having problems" from mods to me...
24. SALTY Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2003 SHEFFIELD Posts: 287

    #24 20th June 2009, 22:01

    Have owned a 90 bhp and 98 bhp mark 2 vtr and too be honest there isnt much difference, the main thing i noticed when i got my 98 bhp vtr was that the powerband was higher up the rev range.
    
    Salty