Important! : Rear Axel gone!!

1. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

   #1 19th June 2009, 18:08

   Just went 2 Kwick fit 2 get my tracking done an they just told me my rear Axel is F#ckd, Gutted! I know Citroen want like £450 ish just for the Axel (jokers) No chance there then lol.
   
   So do i Referb it, not sure in price? or get 1 from the scrap yard an risk it happen again? Any advice wud b helpful
2. Spanky Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 9578 Saxo VTS

   #2 19th June 2009, 18:09

   the best advice i can give you here is to go somewhere else and get an opinion, as kwick fit are good at dealing kwick shit tbh
3. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #3 19th June 2009, 18:09

   Get it refurbed by Sam in nuneaton sorta area. piggy123 or sumthing his username is.
4. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

   #4 19th June 2009, 18:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Saxo_89 the best advice i can give you here is to go somewhere else and get an opinion, as kwick fit are good at dealing kwick shit tbh

   True true lol. i had a feeln it was gone anyway, the rear right wheel is leaning in. i was just hopeing in sum mad way it was the Trackin lol
5. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

   #5 19th June 2009, 18:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by db_sax Get it refurbed by Sam in nuneaton sorta area. piggy123 or sumthing his username is.

   Nice 1. not far from me, any idea how much?
6. col101 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 York Posts: 768 VTR

   #6 19th June 2009, 20:41

   Speak to him direct, but I believe it's about £300 for a full refurb.
7. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

   #7 19th June 2009, 20:49

   thanks for your help ppl
8. user_28436 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Shropshire Posts: 1786

   #8 20th June 2009, 13:07

   I had a quote from my local scrappy, £100 for a complete back axle. Or on ebay iv seen some ones in good nic going for upto £150.
9. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

   #9 20th June 2009, 13:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mattt_VTR I had a quote from my local scrappy, £100 for a complete back axle. Or on ebay iv seen some ones in good nic going for upto £150.

   Sound mate
10. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #10 20th June 2009, 19:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by db_sax Get it refurbed by Sam in nuneaton sorta area. piggy123 or sumthing his username is.

    Thats the one, not worth risking it with second hand ones, chances are they are being sold for a reason (Either bent due to being in a crash or they are already scrap!) so in summary go with a refurbed one by Sam (Piggy123)
11. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #11 20th June 2009, 19:28

    Im in full agreement with everyone else- (Sam) Piggy123 is the person to contact. Him and his dad Andy are the only people that i know of that do proper reconditioning of the axles including all seals, bearings and new stub pins.
    
    Josh please correct me if im wrong but i believe that they do and will also lower it to whatever your desired height is aswel and fit to the car.
12. col101 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 York Posts: 768 VTR

    #12 20th June 2009, 20:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mattt_VTR I had a quote from my local scrappy, £100 for a complete back axle. Or on ebay iv seen some ones in good nic going for upto £150.

    That's worth doing, simply because you're paying vat on parts, so it must (by law) come with warranty. I think they have to give 75 days on it. If it's knackered in that time, they either have to refund you or replace it.
    
    On second thoughts, it's a bit of a hassle. Speak to Sam!
13. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #13 20th June 2009, 20:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy Im in full agreement with everyone else- (Sam) Piggy123 is the person to contact. Him and his dad Andy are the only people that i know of that do proper reconditioning of the axles including all seals, bearings and new stub pins. Josh please correct me if im wrong but i believe that they do and will also lower it to whatever your desired height is aswel and fit to the car.

    Sounds like this is the way forward then
14. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #14 20th June 2009, 21:14

    Does any one know if there's a way 2 check if the wheel bearings gone without putting it on a raised ramp/taking hub apart.
    Cuz its possible that the Axel is o.k an its the wheel bearings that's f#ckd(I THINK/hope).
    Its my rear driver side wheel, from a distance it looks like the wheel is leaning in(toe in) at the top by an 1inch or so plus wen u hold the wheel an shake it, it isnt solid an there is a lot of play. Passinger side wheel is solid with no play an not leaning in(toe in).
    
    Sooooooo, wats ur thoughts on this then ppl lol
15. lharrowing Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 norwich Posts: 941 Citroen Saxo Westcoast MK1

    #15 20th June 2009, 21:46

    i got a second hand one with shocks still on a drum one for £70 from scrapyard near me. awsome deal so my silly behaviour cost me £79 all together with brake fluid. and it was so easy. just abit awakward quite heavy
16. user_30431 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Button Moon Posts: 3129 306 gti6

    #16 20th June 2009, 22:01

    i ended up buying a new one from citroen bit pricey but i know its perfect now
17. wannadoo12 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Stirlingshire Posts: 154 Citroen saxo s/c vts Mitsubishi EVO 6

    #17 20th June 2009, 22:42

    if the wheel bearings gone without putting it on a raised ramp/taking hub apart.
    Cuz its possible that the Axel is o.k an its the wheel bearings that's f#ckd(I THINK/hope).
    Its my rear driver side wheel, from a distance it looks like the wheel is leaning in(toe in) at the top by an 1inch or so plus wen u hold the wheel an shake it, it isnt solid an there is a lot of play. Passinger side wheel is solid with no play an not leaning in(toe in).
    
    its deffo your axle bearings gone as you will get a noise from a knackered wheel bearing
18. Tom5190 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire

    #18 20th June 2009, 22:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Silver2000saxo Does any one know if there's a way 2 check if the wheel bearings gone without putting it on a raised ramp/taking hub apart. Cuz its possible that the Axel is o.k an its the wheel bearings that's f#ckd(I THINK/hope). Its my rear driver side wheel, from a distance it looks like the wheel is leaning in(toe in) at the top by an 1inch or so plus wen u hold the wheel an shake it, it isnt solid an there is a lot of play. Passinger side wheel is solid with no play an not leaning in(toe in). Sooooooo, wats ur thoughts on this then ppl lol

    is it toeing in or got alot of negative camber? toe in/out is what is set on front wheels its not measure on a vertical axis its measured horizontally if you get me, a picture of the wheel would be helpful
19. lakey_xs Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2007 scarborough Posts: 436 106 xsi 8k screamer,escort van,405 1.9dt on wvo

    #19 20th June 2009, 23:43

    wow you guys seem to pay alot for axels i pay tops £40 for drum and tops £80 for disc and dont buy any over 80k
    
    can fit them i an hour piss to change/lower
20. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #20 21st June 2009, 00:53

    Ill put sum pics up 2moro
21. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #21 21st June 2009, 01:01

    Jack up the rear and try and wobble the wheels, if the trailing arm is moving its axle time..If just the wheel moves its bearing action..
22. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #22 21st June 2009, 01:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MaRiO89 Jack up the rear and try and wobble the wheels, if the trailing arm is moving its axle time..If just the wheel moves its bearing action..

    Thanks matehttp://www.saxperience.com/images/emoticons/smiley32.gif, will give it a try. ill update 2moro ppl. i just hope its the Wheel bearing
23. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #23 21st June 2009, 01:18

    Whoops
24. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #24 21st June 2009, 04:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Silver2000saxo Does any one know if there's a way 2 check if the wheel bearings gone without putting it on a raised ramp/taking hub apart. Cuz its possible that the Axel is o.k an its the wheel bearings that's f#ckd(I THINK/hope). Its my rear driver side wheel, from a distance it looks like the wheel is leaning in(toe in) at the top by an 1inch or so plus wen u hold the wheel an shake it, it isnt solid an there is a lot of play. Passinger side wheel is solid with no play an not leaning in(toe in). Sooooooo, wats ur thoughts on this then ppl lol

    I would 99% be sure it wouldnt be the wheel bearing! Also the only way to check properly is to remove the trailing arms and have a look at the pins, any marks on the pins at all and they need replacing!sometimes it can lock into place with the toe and seem as if its ok - but it isnt, so remove the trailing arms and check.
25. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #25 21st June 2009, 10:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo I would 99% be sure it wouldnt be the wheel bearing! Also the only way to check properly is to remove the trailing arms and have a look at the pins, any marks on the pins at all and they need replacing!sometimes it can lock into place with the toe and seem as if its ok - but it isnt, so remove the trailing arms and check.

    Sound mate, im gunna jack the car up in a min an hav a look. ill put sum pics up later.I got sum Quotes aswell,
    
    Wheel bearings- £40
    
    Rear Axel (referb)£300---With free fitting(maybe lowering).And u exchange ur old 1 for the referb axle
    
    Rear Axel (New) £466---- Fit urself
    
    Scrap yard lol £80---Fit urself. 3 month Guarantee lol
    
    
    Only had the car a month an there's a possibility that £300 will leave my pocket, noooooooooooooooo. Cum on u wheel bearings lol
26. MaRiO89 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7705 Saxo VTS

    #26 21st June 2009, 11:47

    Defo fix it though mate..I got rid of my last VTR becuase the beam was knackered..Worst choice i ever made..
27. Saxo_Scott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 East Grinstead - West Sussex Posts: 3094 BMW E46 M3

    #27 21st June 2009, 11:51

    saxomark will be selling a rear beam soon pm him
28. sick-Saxo Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2008 st austell Posts: 418 furio, vts 16v (turbo project)

    #28 21st June 2009, 12:00

    ok im going 2 jack my car up in a min or two and wanted to no what to look for? as my back wheel leans in at the top and there is a noise when i drive any ideas?
29. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #29 21st June 2009, 17:58

    pics cumin up in a 5mins
30. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #30 21st June 2009, 18:04

    
    
    
    As you can see, the wheel on the right is leaning in
31. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #31 21st June 2009, 18:05

    
    
    Rear Right wheel
32. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #32 21st June 2009, 18:06

    
    
    As a result of the tyre leaning in, yep its Fooked
33. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #33 21st June 2009, 18:16

    
    
    Is this Axel already been refurbed??
34. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #34 21st June 2009, 18:17

    
    
    Were the wheel has been rubbin
35. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #35 21st June 2009, 18:24

    Wat other Axels fits the VTR?? pug 106 GTI??? An is it possible to just change the trailing arm or is it 2 much hassle?
    
    Rear Axels are a joke 2 find
36. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #36 21st June 2009, 18:29

    oh yea, my wheels are 195/45/R16 i think with spacers
37. user_28436 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Shropshire Posts: 1786

    #37 22nd June 2009, 08:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lakey_xs can fit them i an hour piss to change/lower

    I'd believe that when i see it.
38. vtcarl Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2006 telford, shropshire Posts: 968 E86 Z4 3.0 si coupe

    #38 22nd June 2009, 10:09

    just get sam on the job. did mine for me and at a good price too.
39. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #39 22nd June 2009, 10:39

    Yep... thats completely fucked mate.
    
    PM Sam, he's just gone on holiday tho so wont be back for the next week or so!
40. dj_russell Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 in shell with personal v-power pump lol. Posts: 2197 400bhp build gt4

    #40 23rd June 2009, 06:55

    fuckinghell thats well bad
41. axgt16v Newbie Joined: Dec 2003 Kropswolde Netherlands Posts: 23 Ax16v

    #41 23rd June 2009, 09:12

    Tip: put in dubbel bearings!
    this will spread the load so less stress on the contact surface between
    bearing and axel!
    
    
    
    
42. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #42 23rd June 2009, 09:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axgt16v Tip: put in dubbel bearings! this will spread the load so less stress on the contact surface between bearing and axel!

    Thats all good and well but it just prolongs the inevitable though!
43. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #43 23rd June 2009, 10:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo remove the trailing arms and have a look at the pins, any marks on the pins at all and they need replacing

    Whereever you do decide to get a new rear beam/refurbed one from pleasse do bear this in mind
    
    Those refurb companies on ebay from what i know they DO NOT CHANGE THE PINS. If the pins have already started to be worn away then give it maybe 6 months/1years time the new bearings will fail again due to not having a smooth surface to function on.
    
    Hence with the ebay refurb companies you only get 1 year warranty-good luck if they last any longer than that
    
    Sam (Piggy123) is the ONLY person i have come across that will fully recondition your beam and you can be safe in the knowledge that itll be sound for years

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44. axgt16v Newbie Joined: Dec 2003 Kropswolde Netherlands Posts: 23 Ax16v

    #44 23rd June 2009, 10:39

    True , I meant put in dubbel bearings after you found an axel with good stub pins or get them refurbed/overhauled....
45. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #45 23rd June 2009, 13:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axgt16v True , I meant put in dubbel bearings after you found an axel with good stub pins or get them refurbed/overhauled....

    Yes a fair point, but not really required if you simply maintain your beam, then there would be no reason / just extra cost there. But i see where your coming from, we've tried it already dont worry!
46. axgt16v Newbie Joined: Dec 2003 Kropswolde Netherlands Posts: 23 Ax16v

    #46 23rd June 2009, 17:00

    Yep , there pretty expensive those bearings , cost me more then 100euro's
    You could always go rally style with a set of these:
    http://rallye-forez.com/html/view.php?id=M161919
47. JamieLee2k Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Nuneaton Posts: 312 Saxo Forte 1.1i (Written off)

    #47 24th June 2009, 10:48

    I had to change the wheel bearings on my saxo last week and it cost me from a local shop £27, might be worth checking different places for parts before going to citroen direct
48. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #48 24th June 2009, 18:14

    Thanks 4 all ur input lads. im going to view a (CAT C) VTS 2moro for a rear Axel, maby Engine aswell
49. user_34182 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 476 MK2 Saxo VTR(Sold) Skoda Octavia VRS

    #49 28th June 2009, 13:49

    Quick question, Will a Mk1 VTR axle fit my MK2 VTR???????
50. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #50 28th June 2009, 13:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axgt16v Yep , there pretty expensive those bearings , cost me more then 100euro's You could always go rally style with a set of these: http://rallye-forez.com/html/view.php?id=M161919

    do these work aswell as the bearings? might make myself a set.
51. axgt16v Newbie Joined: Dec 2003 Kropswolde Netherlands Posts: 23 Ax16v

    #51 28th June 2009, 17:00

    I really wouldn't know , i just seen them on the site and was wondering
    if some of you guy's already try'd it.... I think if they use it in the rally sport
    it will work....I can imagine that the bearings are going to fail if you do alot of
    handbrake turns on dry roads... This will be stronger from my piont of view..
52. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #52 28th June 2009, 17:16

    might make a set up and try them.
53. Lozza_vtr Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Sunny Essex!! Posts: 2342 VW Golf Mk4 1.8T

    #53 28th June 2009, 18:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by axgt16v Yep , there pretty expensive those bearings , cost me more then 100euro's You could always go rally style with a set of these: http://rallye-forez.com/html/view.php?id=M161919

    What are these suppose to be bearings or something?
54. fastroadkid69 Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 chesterfield. tupton Posts: 1501 saxo vtr escort rs

    #54 29th June 2009, 08:57

    might have to give them a try,how do i order them? of that page?
55. axgt16v Newbie Joined: Dec 2003 Kropswolde Netherlands Posts: 23 Ax16v

    #55 29th June 2009, 18:38

    It's just someone in France who got a set of these...
    Best is to drop him a email or give him a call, if you speak french!