ecu - standalone

1. user_34498 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 colchester Posts: 724 vectra c 2.2sri

   #1 21st June 2009, 19:57

   hi all , , im getting tbs and ph3 camms so what kind of ecu or stand alone management should i invest in and will it need to be mapped ???? thanx alot
2. ric_b3 Established Member Joined: Mar 2009 essex Posts: 1041 Saxo 1.1 animal

   #2 21st June 2009, 20:45

   hmmmm tricky one i know engine management systems are pretty expensive as far as i know but i would look around for someone who does custom mapping for your car
3. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #3 21st June 2009, 20:49

   youll need a standalone
   
   kms
   omex
   pred
   emerald
   ect
   
   they will all need mapping

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4. user_34498 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 colchester Posts: 724 vectra c 2.2sri

   #4 22nd June 2009, 07:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AlexB youll need a standalone kms omex pred emerald ect they will all need mapping

   what about AEM ??? my mate has one n he sed a cud av it for a price like
5. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

   #5 22nd June 2009, 13:01

   Have you looked into the predator?
   
   they are at a very good price at the moment,
   
   andy
6. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

   #6 22nd June 2009, 13:32

   i run a dta stand alone on mine with innovate wideband LC-1
   
   
   expect to be paying around £1000-£1500 for the ecu, fitting and mapping.
7. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #7 22nd June 2009, 13:53

   Cant chipwizards now just remap the standar ecu with pretty good results?
   
   Standalone would be better though, jsut food for thought.
8. maddison_vts Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Torbay Posts: 1565 2000 phase 2 Saxo VTS Turbo 2000 Nissan 200sx S14a

   #8 22nd June 2009, 14:04

   yes you can have a standard ecu mapped but never to the same accuracy as a standalone. And it will be running tb's so to get the most out of it you would want a stand alone.
9. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

   #9 22nd June 2009, 14:05

   My Predator is £495 fitted and mapped, check out my affiliate section for the group buy, and there are also lots of kind words in the feedback section now!!
   
   
   
   Andy

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10. user_34498 Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 colchester Posts: 724 vectra c 2.2sri

    #10 22nd June 2009, 14:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 Cant chipwizards now just remap the standar ecu with pretty good results? Standalone would be better though, jsut food for thought.

    will look into it thanks mate
11. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #11 23rd June 2009, 13:00

    i wouldnt go down the route of a standard ecu with thorttle bodies!!
    
    a standalone ecu will work with the throttle bodies alot better, also it will be more easy to map in the future!!
    
    andy
12. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #12 23rd June 2009, 13:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by luthor1 My Predator is £495 fitted and mapped, check out my affiliate section for the group buy, and there are also lots of kind words in the feedback section now!! Andy

    is this a live map? this has resparked my interest in tb's...
13. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #13 23rd June 2009, 16:24

    yes live mapping
    
    Andy
14. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #14 23rd June 2009, 16:52

    so with ph3s and bodies installed, the predator is installed and mapped for £500?
    im seriously looking into bodies now...
15. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #15 23rd June 2009, 18:41

    Yeah that's right. £495.
    
    I recommend the Innovate LC-1 Wideband controller to go with it, which are around £140 and I can make a mini-PnP loom for that which just plugs into the standard loom connector.
    
    I assume you've got a VTS conversion?
    
    Andy
16. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #16 23rd June 2009, 21:59

    yer the wideband LC-1 is so so good, it make the whole engine run alot smoother well with the predator too it runs very smooth indeed was very shock in how smooth is was,
    
    andy
17. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #17 23rd June 2009, 23:02

    whats this wideband malarky?
    yeah ive got a vts conversion
18. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #18 23rd June 2009, 23:20

    Wideband gives you a more detailed afr reading so allows you to map for a specific fuel ratio rather than just rich or lean of stoichiometric.
    
    The standard KMS one is supposed to be junk. the LC1 is supposed to be good but its expensive. I went cheapo and built my own.
    
    
    
    
    Sensors can be had cheap off various audis in the scrapyard. As long as its got 5 wires (6 in the plug) its a wideband.
19. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #19 23rd June 2009, 23:26

    £635 is still cheaper than omex or similar and getting that mapped!
    need to sort out my wiring first, i might just buy a 3 plug loom
20. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #20 24th June 2009, 00:10

    My ECU only does 1-plug's since it's plug and play, so if you're 1-plug, then stay 1-plug if you'reinterested in my ECU
    
    The guy above looks to be using the J.A.W (just another wideband). It's fairly good, although not as good as the innovate, I've got one and I do like it... nothing wrong with it, just got to get the smoothing calculated correctly, the innovate seems to sort that out itself...
    
    Andy
21. dinga Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 not brazil,northern ireland Posts: 763 vts

    #21 24th June 2009, 00:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by luthor1 My ECU only does 1-plug's since it's plug and play, so if you're 1-plug, then stay 1-plug if you'reinterested in my ECU Andy

    3 plugs on hold/cancelled ?
22. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #22 24th June 2009, 00:55

    No - not at all mate, still trying to get the plugs made... and chasing up the people who are currently supposed to be making them!!
    
    It's all very painful!
    
    Andy
23. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #23 24th June 2009, 07:59

    ah no! well if you arent getting 3 plug any time soon, see if you can get hold of the different multiplug pinouts for the varios looms. specifically a 200 vts and a 2001 vtr