Nitrous Oxide

8th July 2009, 00:28

Does anyone have Nitrous fitted? Ive always been interested in it. What size jets could be used on a VTS with breathing mods?

What other mods are needed apart from just the kit itself e.g. different spark plugs?

Could you just add another two solenoids and pipe work etc to convert a purge kit to a full system? Nitrous purging?

or

8th July 2009, 00:36

i've got nitrous fitted, i run with a 50bhp jet in which is a number 100 in the nitrous and a number 50 for the fuel.

wizards of nos is the best kit to get from what i've read and seen, you do not need to purge either.

you need to uprate the clutch and the plugs are advised to be 1 grade colder but it doesn't really make any difference if you run normal plugs.
uprating your clutch is a must though due to the sudden and massive increase in torue. mine produced 80lbs/ft of torque on a 50bhp shot when it was last on the dyno.

you could run a 75bhp shot and i have been tempted to recently but you risk breaking something because everything will be put under more stress.

seriously look into it before buying nitrous though, if you've anymore questions, i'd be happy to answer them.

8th July 2009, 00:40

speak to martin from tweeqd.

He used/does sell nos and runs it on his AX turbo toy so has alot of info

8th July 2009, 00:46

Really helpful thanks. Im currently always looking for second hand sets but I came accross a pulge kit cheap new. Just wondering how much it would cost to add the other two solenoids and jets? Worth getting a progressive controller?

8th July 2009, 00:47

https://secure.demonweb.co.uk/earls1...1dc07b373e9e14

Purge kit

8th July 2009, 00:58

with that you would have to get nos solenoids or possibly another american companies solenoids that will fit. plus you'll need to wire in a throttle switch or a steering wheel switch and you'll have to get the t piece for the fuel line and extra pipes for fuel and possibly longer lines for the nitrous. will probably end up being the same price as full kit anyway.

i would personally get a full second kit thats made by wizards of nos if you want to do it on the cheap, due to them being british its easy to get spare parts, help and advice.

progressive controllers are more money again, it depends how far you want to go. i personally never bothered with one as i got a stand alone ecu which has nitrous control, but i've never bothered getting it wired in to the ecu either

8th July 2009, 01:05

just thought i'd add, the general rule when using nitrous is to go up to a shot thats 50% of the original hp.

eg. a car running 100bhp standard can take up to a 50bhp shot.

so a vts would be a 60bhp shot.

this doesn't mean you can't go above this, its just a general rule, will be slightly different on all cars.

8th July 2009, 16:21

dont go above a 75 shot without internal changes, and if you really want biger shots think about an alloy intake, the plastic one isnt up to the job, as maddison said uprated clutch is a defo. i 2 have nitrous now only running a 50 shot and this is plent for such a little car, tried 150 lol and all hell broke loose. (rebuild) new c2 vts intake on way.

8th July 2009, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

with that you would have to get nos solenoids or possibly another american companies solenoids that will fit. plus you'll need to wire in a throttle switch or a steering wheel switch and you'll have to get the t piece for the fuel line and extra pipes for fuel and possibly longer lines for the nitrous. will probably end up being the same price as full kit anyway.

i would personally get a full second kit thats made by wizards of nos if you want to do it on the cheap, due to them being british its easy to get spare parts, help and advice.

progressive controllers are more money again, it depends how far you want to go. i personally never bothered with one as i got a stand alone ecu which has nitrous control, but i've never bothered getting it wired in to the ecu either

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

just thought i'd add, the general rule when using nitrous is to go up to a shot thats 50% of the original hp.

eg. a car running 100bhp standard can take up to a 50bhp shot.

so a vts would be a 60bhp shot.

this doesn't mean you can't go above this, its just a general rule, will be slightly different on all cars.

Cheers

So Im still curious about how the power is delivered and how you control it? Is there a set time limit? Do you need to be in a certain gear etc...

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzvtr

dont go above a 75 shot without internal changes, and if you really want biger shots think about an alloy intake, the plastic one isnt up to the job, as maddison said uprated clutch is a defo. i 2 have nitrous now only running a 50 shot and this is plent for such a little car, tried 150 lol and all hell broke loose. (rebuild) new c2 vts intake on way.

hahaha Think ill stick to a 50 max

8th July 2009, 16:38

With my old vtr it just had a trigger on the throttle body so all i had to was arm the system with the AWESOME fighter plane sytle switch then hit full throttle, the switch was activated and i got the full 50bhp. Used to sound amazing

8th July 2009, 19:12

you can use it in any gear, 1st gear is a waste of time on a 50bhp shot unless your running sticky tyres on low psi. its not advised to use it in 5th gear as the car doesn't pull as hard unless you already have a lot of power.

its advised to only use it high up the rev range ie 4k at the minimum. you can use it below but you run the risk of getting an inlet backfire which you don't want.

also don't get a car full of mates and go up a hill on nitrous as this again is putting too much load on the engine.

you can use it for as long as you want but after so many seconds the bottle pressure will drop too low and solenoids will get too cold so you won't get much nitrous through which will just cause massive over-fuelling to the point that the car will bog down.

short bursts are where it is best used and thats why i think its better to have it on a button on the steering wheel and not on a thottle switch. (i've got throttle switch but i do want to change it.)

as vtstom said, the noise on nitrous is awesome, hard to describe but its addictive.

2 big downsides to nitrous though...

1. Its gets expensive to refill if you use it often and you probably will because its a bit addictive

2. your car will feel p1ss slow when you turn the nitrous off.

8th July 2009, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

you can use it in any gear, 1st gear is a waste of time on a 50bhp shot unless your running sticky tyres on low psi. its not advised to use it in 5th gear as the car doesn't pull as hard unless you already have a lot of power.

its advised to only use it high up the rev range ie 4k at the minimum. you can use it below but you run the risk of getting an inlet backfire which you don't want.

also don't get a car full of mates and go up a hill on nitrous as this again is putting too much load on the engine.

you can use it for as long as you want but after so many seconds the bottle pressure will drop too low and solenoids will get too cold so you won't get much nitrous through which will just cause massive over-fuelling to the point that the car will bog down.

short bursts are where it is best used and thats why i think its better to have it on a button on the steering wheel and not on a thottle switch. (i've got throttle switch but i do want to change it.)

as vtstom said, the noise on nitrous is awesome, hard to describe but its addictive.

2 big downsides to nitrous though...

1. Its gets expensive to refill if you use it often and you probably will because its a bit addictive

2. your car will feel p1ss slow when you turn the nitrous off.

haha yeh cheers Ive got a VTR engine in now but the plan is a VTS conversion as soon as I find a feckin engine. Finding it very very hard. Should I look out for a good Nitrous kit first and fit it to the VTR? You know any good wheel mounted buttons or do you have to buy the full steering wheel with the buttons already on?

8th July 2009, 21:47

Dont forget that if used at the wrong time, or if the engine isnt up to it then it can go wrong, and the refills arnt what you would call cheap either.

8th July 2009, 22:08

explain a wrong time and how the engine couldnt be up to it? How much are the refills for 5lbs and 11lbs?

8th July 2009, 22:22

How would you go about fitting nos with throttle bodies? Where would you inject it?

I just wondered by the way.

8th July 2009, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by makaveli144

How would you go about fitting nos with throttle bodies? Where would you inject it?

I just wondered by the way.

Direct port nitrous kits. Can upgrade your normal kit with this:

http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=75

8th July 2009, 22:51

Im intrested in nos too, I got a VTR so a nos kit of up to 50bhp will do me, how much will it all cost fitted and everything?

8th July 2009, 22:57

Im looking into it. Seems a decent kit is around 500 new. Fitting isnt hard to be honest. Will bang it together with me mate. But I know WON do fitting for 200.

Im looking for second hand kits to be honest. If not the full kit get a second hand bottle then get this upgrade kit:

http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=78

So would work out around 400ish. I would love to know where else 400quid could get you 50bhp? 11lb bottle refills are about £40ish, Does anyone know how long they will last?

8th July 2009, 22:59

loving this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvGzaTToozg

check the snaking haha, Id be papping my pants

8th July 2009, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

Im looking into it. Seems a decent kit is around 500 new. Fitting isnt hard to be honest. Will bang it together with me mate. But I know WON do fitting for 200.

Im looking for second hand kits to be honest. If not the full kit get a second hand bottle then get this upgrade kit:

http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=78

So would work out around 400ish. I would love to know where else 400quid could get you 50bhp? 11lb bottle refills are about £40ish, Does anyone know how long they will last?

lol yeah i have heard its easy but id be too scared to do it myself because if you mess it up engine go boom!

8th July 2009, 23:21

naaa I think its the setting of the solenoids. Just do a bit research mate thats what Im doing:

http://www.noswizard.com/technical.php

Good read

8th July 2009, 23:26

Think the dude from Tweequed can sort you out a WON kit at a very reasonable price. He was selling a 11lb bottle kit with 50 jets for under £400 a little while ago. Think Martin is his name or something... Ryan will point you in his direction

8th July 2009, 23:39

That sounds great. Who should I contact? Is there a website etc? Shall I contact Ryan?

8th July 2009, 23:46

I know the dude has a user name on here but i cant bloody remember it. Ryan will look in here and tell you, no doubt.

9th July 2009, 04:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

Should I look out for a good Nitrous kit first and fit it to the VTR? You know any good wheel mounted buttons or do you have to buy the full steering wheel with the buttons already on?

yeah definately, no harm in fitting it to the vtr engine first, all you should have to do when you do the engine swap is pull the fogger out and re-drill a hole on the vts inlet.

as for steering wheel buttons, i've not massively looked into them but sparco do button kits, but the steering wheels with them built in look a bit nicer imo!

9th July 2009, 13:42

i was thinking of doing this but not shore if the engine will be able to stand me running 10psi of boost & 50bhp shot of Nos on prity standard internals??? sorry to hijack the tread anyone got any ideas?

Thanks

9th July 2009, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTurboR

i was thinking of doing this but not shore if the engine will be able to stand me running 10psi of boost & 50bhp shot of Nos on prity standard internals??? sorry to hijack the tread anyone got any ideas?

Thanks

You have 10 PSI on standard internals

9th July 2009, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

yeah definately, no harm in fitting it to the vtr engine first, all you should have to do when you do the engine swap is pull the fogger out and re-drill a hole on the vts inlet.

as for steering wheel buttons, i've not massively looked into them but sparco do button kits, but the steering wheels with them built in look a bit nicer imo!

Thinks thats what Im going to do. Going to try and get a WON kit on a budget of 400, second hand bottle me thinks. Ive been looking at this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320357543923

Quite like the look of it too

9th July 2009, 17:07

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=235606

Thats Martins username. IIRC hes actualy a authorised supplyer of WON and thats a VERY good price

9th July 2009, 17:07

I am starting to consider running nos. Would the injectors be drilled into the manifold?or could they be fitted into the trumpets?

Also can you use nos on track? If not it would be a bit pointless.

9th July 2009, 17:43

you'll need to display a compressed gas sticker if you carry it on public roads. also means your car can't be towed away.

9th July 2009, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shak

you'll need to display a compressed gas sticker if you carry it on public roads. also means your car can't be towed away.

No. Only commercial vehicles are required by law to display a flamable gas or compressed gas sticked. Private vehicles dont have to

9th July 2009, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by VtsTom

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=235606

Thats Martins username. IIRC hes actualy a authorised supplyer of WON and thats a VERY good price

Thanks mate

Quote:

Originally Posted by makaveli144

I am starting to consider running nos. Would the injectors be drilled into the manifold?or could they be fitted into the trumpets?

Also can you use nos on track? If not it would be a bit pointless.

Yeh they are mounted on the manifold. Looks the dogs biscuits! Better distribution that way.

9th July 2009, 18:48

The manifold is dead small, I dont really see how they would fit.

9th July 2009, 18:53

Might not then. Google 'direct port nitrous' on images. Thats what I done

9th July 2009, 19:00

Well looking at that it looks like they inject just before the port so I guess it would be fine to go into the manifold.

9th July 2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shak

you'll need to display a compressed gas sticker if you carry it on public roads. also means your car can't be towed away.

thats a load of crap, legally you don't have to carry a compressed gas sticker, its advised that you do though.

9th July 2009, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by makaveli144

I am starting to consider running nos. Would the injectors be drilled into the manifold?or could they be fitted into the trumpets?

Also can you use nos on track? If not it would be a bit pointless.

fitting to the trumpets would be fine as when the foggers spray, it will just get sucked in. would be better to have it on the inlet manifold but i'm 99% sure that fitting to the trumpets would work fine.

as for using on track, as far as i'm aware its fine. when i've been on track nothing has been said about nitrous.

9th July 2009, 23:05

Hopefully if tweeqd gets back to me I should have the kit in the next couple of weeks.

9th July 2009, 23:07

Quote:

fitting to the trumpets would be fine as when the foggers spray, it will just get sucked in. would be better to have it on the inlet manifold but i'm 99% sure that fitting to the trumpets would work fine.

as for using on track, as far as i'm aware its fine. when i've been on track nothing has been said about nitrous.

ok cool, I would only want it for track,would be useless on the road. I will look into this now, but a shot of nos would take me over the 200bhp mark for a time which would be fun.

9th July 2009, 23:36

Has anyone got a number for tweeqd automotive? Cant find one. PM'd him on here but too impatient ha

10th July 2009, 00:05

maddison where did you mount your solenoids?

10th July 2009, 01:28

if i remember rightly his are mounted on the left hand side of the inlet manifold.
mounted mine in the right hand scuttle bay, but anywhere close to the inlet is gd

10th July 2009, 01:47

as adz said, mine are mounted to the left of the inlet. doesn't really matter where they are mounted though imo, ideally you just need to keep the nitrous line as short as possible.

longer line = less power

10th July 2009, 08:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

as adz said, mine are mounted to the left of the inlet. doesn't really matter where they are mounted though imo, ideally you just need to keep the nitrous line as short as possible.

longer line = less power

Mount it in the glovebox

I have seen an installation, with the actual bottle in the engine bay!

Dangerous if you ask me.

10th July 2009, 09:47

hmm just because I have read that they need to be mounted in the coolest place posible. Next to the firewall is one of the hottest supposingly. Thats where I was planning to put mine though.

10th July 2009, 10:14

Had mine in the scuttle.

Never had a problem with them. Nice to have them out of the way and not taking up room and clutter in the bay.

Had my jet in the back of an airfilter.

10th July 2009, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by VtsTom

Had mine in the scuttle.

Never had a problem with them. Nice to have them out of the way and not taking up room and clutter in the bay.

Had my jet in the back of an airfilter.

this is where i have mine mounted, have no problems with them, and there out the way, no clutter, mounting in glovebox, not acliple for vts, do you mean solenoids or the bottle its self

10th July 2009, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

hmm just because I have read that they need to be mounted in the coolest place posible. Next to the firewall is one of the hottest supposingly. Thats where I was planning to put mine though.

i read that too, from what i've read and seen the best place to mount them would be in the scuttle like the pics above, but it will work wherever you mount them, obviously the better places will achieve the best possible results.

10th July 2009, 17:06

Would it be ok to still have my bonnet spacers when they have been fitted?

10th July 2009, 17:26

i don't see why not, it doesn't matter if they get a little wet, as long as they aren't submerged i can't see there being an issue.

10th July 2009, 17:49

Rock on. Ive been tempted to bid on this as tweeqd isnt getting back to me:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320391863915

10th July 2009, 18:00

Dude, one thing i will say is that you may want to invest in a bottle warmer. Last alot longer and alot better results.

I pikied it up with a blow torch at times, that or a hot water bottle

10th July 2009, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by VtsTom

Dude, one thing i will say is that you may want to invest in a bottle warmer. Last alot longer and alot better results.

I pikied it up with a blow torch at times, that or a hot water bottle

Ha cheers yeh Ive heard its good for increasing the power aswell. Im going to hopefully get the full setup in time, progressive controller etc. Beauty of it it can be moved car to car.

10th July 2009, 20:12

my bonnet is raised, have no problems with the solenoids, warming the bottle doesnt really make to much difference as have tried this my self, but will make minimal differance if using on strips and tracks, wouldnt really worry about it otherwise

10th July 2009, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

Rock on. Ive been tempted to bid on this as tweeqd isnt getting back to me:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320391863915

£315 was a very good price to be fair.

bottle warmers, something that has been said to me on a few occasions but i've never done it because of how expensive a genuine WON one is, apparantly its worth it though.

11th July 2009, 14:57

Cheers for all your comments. Im waiting on my credit card coming (9 months 0% wooo I smell VTS engine + WON) I have a few questions:

Where would I run the Nitrous feed line. Inside, outside? Right or left hand side?

I have a raceland induction kit, where would I mount the jets? I know that the closer to the throttle body the better.

Im planning on having 2 pillar gauges, oil and nitrous pressure. Anyone know any good white faced gauges?

11th July 2009, 15:13

Auto Metre gauges from the states are awesome. But bloody expensive

You will have to drill a hole in the inlet pipe of your filter. I had my jets about 4-5" from the tb its self.

Nitrous feed line ran from my boot, under the carpet, under the dash and out through a grommet in the scuttle iirc. WON kits have hard plastic lines, much better than braided ones. Try not to kink it, will have detromentle effects.

Possibly a safe bet getting a WON person to fit it for you. At least then you know its all 100%.

You might want to look into remote bottle openers. Stopping to get in your boot to open the valve was a massive pain in the arse.

Also, do you know where your local N2o supplier is? I had to travel 15 miles each time which added to the cost alot

11th July 2009, 15:14

ran my nitrous line down the left hand side found a grommet the line can go through mount the jets in the scuttle, with the fogger in the alloy piping of the raceland, i think that is thsame induction as maddison, which i think is better standard of intake piping than mine

11th July 2009, 16:53

tweeqd has been in touch. Might be getting his kit

someone is ment to be buying it tomorrow but if they dont Im getting it. I hope they dont haha.

I pretty confident that me and a mate could fit it. Im a plumber myself so pipes are my speciality ha. But once everything is plumbed in Im assuming it will need setup? Like to give the best nitrous/fuel ratio?

Do you think drilling and tapping into the raceland piping will be good enough? Bit of lock tight and some silicon? I think Ill probs tap into the 90degree bend on the outside.

Yeh Ill look into them thing cheers. Didnt think of that. VTS engine or nitrous contoller next?

11th July 2009, 19:15

How much does a good basic kit cost?? How much is fitting?? Im interested when get car of the road getting it ready for next year.

12th July 2009, 13:45

Around 500 new. Unsure on fitting costs

12th July 2009, 14:56

Actually have a look here

http://www.thek9sblx.co.uk/exupracing/index.asp?cartid=

A short drive for me. Will look into these. Nitrous express anyone rate them?

12th July 2009, 16:21

looks like the same setup i got m8, had no problems with the kit its self

12th July 2009, 17:35

from tests that have been carried out by magazines etc wizards of nos comes out on top every time. it gives the most power eg. a 50bhp shot with nitrous express gave 40bhp on the rollers, a 50bhp shot with WON gave 46bhp iirc. also, its easier to get spare parts for and the kits are meant to be far more reliable with very little/no need for servicing.

12th July 2009, 18:46

Ive just been talking to me mate and he was saying the same thing. Some thing about the path through the solenoids. Good to know that there is somewhere close to me though. The remote bottle opener and progressive controller might be added to my setup

12th July 2009, 23:01

sorry to hijack this...but approx how much are people paying to get their bottle refilled ? and where abouts are you goin?

12th July 2009, 23:04

When i had mine, Nitrous was £5 per Lb so if you have a 11lb bottle, your looking at around £50 depending on what they use to fill the bottle (pump or gravity feed)

12th July 2009, 23:21

ye iget mine for £5 a lb usually it is 45 to 50 a fill on my tank, gravity fed, looked into getting a filling set myself, its 480, for the bottle and 80 rental on the filling line, but only 2 peole i now use it here, so woulnt b worth it for me

12th July 2009, 23:35

after a fair bit of research found this to be the cheapest. anyone used them before?

http://www.m-99.co.uk/Nitrous_Oxide/...e_refills.html

12th July 2009, 23:54

sorry but i thought this was highly illegal in the UK

is this correct or is it just illegal to use on public roads but its ok to have in your car or if u have it will u have to have it on the back of a trailor as i read above and it sais u cant tow it with nos.???

13th July 2009, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo-Mikey

sorry but i thought this was highly illegal in the UK

is this correct or is it just illegal to use on public roads but its ok to have in your car or if u have it will u have to have it on the back of a trailor as i read above and it sais u cant tow it with nos.???

completely wrong on all parts of that mate. i've got nitrous fitted, i've declared it on my insurance and i've been pulled over by the police with it fitted. the police just laughed at the idea of having nitrous on a saxo.

anyway, i've used it on road, i've told my insurance i use it on the road and when the police stopped me, i told them i use it on road. its illegal if you break the speed limit but not if you use nitrous.

its like saying a turbocharger is illegal on the road because it enhances performance

i can't remember which company it was but one car maker gave nitrous as an optional extra from factory.

13th July 2009, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

completely wrong on all parts of that mate. i've got nitrous fitted, i've declared it on my insurance and i've been pulled over by the police with it fitted. the police just laughed at the idea of having nitrous on a saxo.

anyway, i've used it on road, i've told my insurance i use it on the road and when the police stopped me, i told them i use it on road. its illegal if you break the speed limit but not if you use nitrous.

its like saying a turbocharger is illegal on the road because it enhances performance

i can't remember which company it was but one car maker gave nitrous as an optional extra from factory.

lol. ok. thanks for that mate. makes a lot of sence now in a weird sort of way. i dont have a clue where i heard it from though.....

13th July 2009, 00:42

Ive found a place that does the filling at £5/lb thats literally round the corner. Love it

14th July 2009, 00:59

http://www.noswizard.com/OLD/pdf/nit...ootout_web.pdf

Good read. WON is the way to go

14th July 2009, 17:28

I think i might get nitrous instead of vts engine as this guy is taking piss tbh. Waiting for 3 months now. Would be fun to have to thou. How much are the progressive controllers? Is WON the way to go then?

14th July 2009, 17:33

Is this the one to go for
http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=59

14th July 2009, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr

Is this the one to go for
http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=59

Thats a good kit but i would go for the TPS and 11lb bottle as a 5lb bottle will last you seconds!

14th July 2009, 18:56

Yeh 11lb bottle is a must. I worried how fast the bottle will be used like ha.

14th July 2009, 20:41

an 11lb bottle will give 4 minutes of use on a 50bhp shot.

however, if you don't have a bottle warmer and progressive controller you will waste a fair bit of gas so your looking at even less than that.

14th July 2009, 23:02

that seems alright. Have you looked at that comparison I linked? Does that switch they use just mean that in every gear on full throttle the nitrous will be activated? I think it was just the higher gears they could be used?

14th July 2009, 23:17

Its just full throttle, any gear, any speed

14th July 2009, 23:57

So basically with a flick of a switch your car is producing x amount of horsepower throughout the rev range? That sounds perfect. Think Im going to just try the 25bhp jets first. Will be getting the kit soon. Bought a nitrous manual for ebay aswell. Help me get a better understanding

14th July 2009, 23:59

Im selling a incomplete nitrous kit if your interested mate - pm me if you like?

15th July 2009, 00:04

I just be getting soon. Im good thanks, getting a WON 150i with 11lb bottle

16th July 2009, 00:24

Where has everyone mounted the toggle switch? Im fitting pillar gauges, oil and nitrous pressure but I think I want to add an air/fuel ratio gauge just to keep at eye on things.

I fancy making a custom fibreglass jobby but where should I put it? I had two ideas, either on my right of the steering wheel below the dash, like hanging beneath or in the centre in front of the gear stick. Only thing about that is I wanted to mount a little screen there. Hmmm ideas?

16th July 2009, 02:03

just put it where you feel like to be honest, as long as its in reach. mines on the lower part of the dashboard near the heater controls but not on the centre console if you get me? tucked out of the way

16th July 2009, 16:37

Yeh I know what you mean. 1 more question. If I put a cooler grade spark plug will this affect the performance of my engine when Im not using the nitrous?

16th July 2009, 16:55

i used a cooler grade plug that i got from wizards of nos and to be completely honest i couldn't tell any difference! i went back to bosch super 4's afterwards.
they advised me to use a colder grade plug but i can't tell the difference so i probably won't bother again unless i increase the shot anyomore.

16th July 2009, 17:57

Does nitrous make you car overheat with the car revving harder, etc? My mate reckons it does but i said it doesnt with nitrous being cold gas that it cools it more than makes it overheat??

16th July 2009, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr

Does nitrous make you car overheat with the car revving harder, etc? My mate reckons it does but i said it doesnt with nitrous being cold gas that it cools it more than makes it overheat??

the engine works harder but like you said nitrous is very cold, comes out of the bottle at -200 C iirc.
your mate is probably trying to put you off it because it will make him a tad jealous i would have thought.

16th July 2009, 18:08

Well he had it on his focus but has been taken off and might sell to me.

16th July 2009, 18:33

oh right, lmao he wouldn't be jealous then!

he must have had some sort of problem somewhere as i've never had a problem with the engine getting hot!

17th July 2009, 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

oh right, lmao he wouldn't be jealous then!

he must have had some sort of problem somewhere as i've never had a problem with the engine getting hot!

with you m8, i never had a problem with engine over heating, must have bin a problem else where

17th July 2009, 18:57

kit bought. Awaiting delivery. Contacting Mashamoto round mine about setting up and filling. All good

17th July 2009, 19:00

could i get A NOS kit done on a saxo VTR?

17th July 2009, 19:09

read the thread pal

17th July 2009, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoiRacer

could i get A NOS kit done on a saxo VTR?

jeez, with the name you've got, i'd say its for the good of the world that you don't get any form of performance enhancer. let alone nitrous.

18th July 2009, 00:36

here here! Either that or put the 150bhp jets on

18th July 2009, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoiRacer

could i get A NOS kit done on a saxo VTR?

yes nitrous can go on a vtr, 150bhp shot will see you boiracing all the way home,

18th July 2009, 17:42

hmm saxos have weak pistons due to there 'wet liners'?

20th July 2009, 10:40

I want suggestion for which nitrous ki9t to get?? And any info i need about buying and fitting as my try fit myself. Should i get the WON kit with what jets, etc.

20th July 2009, 12:08

i've never had any mechanical issue with mine, and i've ran a fair old amount of gas through it.

you could run any jets safely up to 50bhp pal, if you want to go past that you can but it isn't advised.
a 50bhp shot will be a number 100 jet for the nitrous and a number 50jet for the fuel.

for a 25bhp shot you run a number 50 jet in the nitrous and a number 25 in the fuel.

and so on....

if you want to be technical, you can say on a 50bhp shot that your 'runnin a 100 shot of naws' to be super cool infront of everyone

just make sure the floor doesn't fall out.

20th July 2009, 12:59

What is the "kick" like when you use it? Does it throw you back in your seat when on 50 / 75 shot?

20th July 2009, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzvtr

yes nitrous can go on a vtr, 150bhp shot will see you boiracing all the way home,

more like all the way to the breakers yard lmfao

20th July 2009, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

What is the "kick" like when you use it? Does it throw you back in your seat when on 50 / 75 shot?

on a 25bhp shot, its nothing great. on a 50bhp shot it puts you in the seat but the best bit is it never seems to stop pulling when on nitrous. its nothing like when you watch the fast and the furios though!

to give an example of what its like in performance,

there's a local private road to me that has a certain point where people see what the car will achieve at this certain point, its going up a very long hill (all private of course) off nitrous i get 120mph flat out, can't get anymore than that and i usually hit that speed way before that point but it just can't seem to pull past it. My friends civic type r gets 115mph my friends e36 bmw m3 gets 130mph. saxo vtr's tend to get about 100mph max. My friends R33 GTS skyline gets 130mph on a good day.

when i use nitrous on a 50bhp shot i get 135mph. 15mph may not sound much but i consider it a hell of a lot considering every mod i did to my car gave it 5mph max!

20th July 2009, 15:21

I was thinking of getting a kit but don't know whether it's legal in switzerland... Does anyone know where I can find a international data base or something? Cheers

20th July 2009, 15:36

i ran 25bhp on my 106 gti was ok nothing much
soon as i put a 50 set in i loved it feels just like a turbo i say not as much tho
snaped a shaft on 50 but that was due to a bumpy road(private road)
running approx 185ish on spray

20th July 2009, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strong

I was thinking of getting a kit but don't know whether it's legal in switzerland... Does anyone know where I can find a international data base or something? Cheers

i think it is legal prity much every where i think the concer is weither you have to carry a compresed gas sticker--- not 100% though

20th July 2009, 16:30

I cant wait for mine.

should be in the post on its way

20th July 2009, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

I cant wait for mine.

should be in the post on its way

what jets you got with it
id start low see how your engine acts with it

20th July 2009, 19:19

Going for 25 at first. See how it goes.

21st July 2009, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTurboR

more like all the way to the breakers yard lmfao

was being sarcastic dude, already tried lol, and went to the breakers

21st July 2009, 00:36

will need an uprated clutch if your looking at 50shot, its kick is enough to make standard clutch slip, so 25 will be best to start

21st July 2009, 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzvtr

will need an uprated clutch if your looking at 50shot, its kick is enough to make standard clutch slip, so 25 will be best to start

Yeh thats the plan. Going to upgrade clutch when I get the VTS engine in

Credit card is getting a hammering ha

21st July 2009, 16:45

Sound good, just the refills would kill you.

Save it for special occasions i suppose.

21st July 2009, 23:09

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NITRO...Q5fAccessories

cheap kit for someone.

22nd July 2009, 08:21

I wouldn't buy a second hand kit, on the WON site theres a fair few horror stories. If any of the solenoids fail and you only inject Nos or over inject Nos - bye bye conrods.

22nd July 2009, 16:24

Hmmm but if WON pulsesoids dont even need services how could they fail?

22nd July 2009, 16:25

Shitty wiring, some pikies dodgy soldering, dodgy connections etc

22nd July 2009, 16:52

Got my kit anyways. Click on my thread to have a look.

22nd July 2009, 17:02

double post

23rd July 2009, 10:49

Can you use a different bottle make to the jets, etc??

23rd July 2009, 16:22

Yeh I think it will be the connections from the bottle to the braided/nylon line that would need to be the same

25th July 2009, 16:10

mine is in , all wired up ect...took me a day to do it! but that saved me the £200 fitting charge!
used it for the first time lastnight, dont really notice it until u come to near the end of 2nd n then in 3rd n 4th as it jst keeps pulling where it would normally drop off. only running the 25bhp jets. but my car was 134.2bhp, so thats sitting me not to far from 160bhp

cant wait for the cams to go in

25th July 2009, 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwillis89

mine is in , all wired up ect...took me a day to do it! but that saved me the £200 fitting charge!
used it for the first time lastnight, dont really notice it until u come to near the end of 2nd n then in 3rd n 4th as it jst keeps pulling where it would normally drop off. only running the 25bhp jets. but my car was 134.2bhp, so thats sitting me not to far from 160bhp

cant wait for the cams to go in

wow class you got any pics mate? I pondering whether to fit mine or not. Im not too good on the auto electrics side of things

26th July 2009, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwillis89

mine is in , all wired up ect...took me a day to do it! but that saved me the £200 fitting charge!
used it for the first time lastnight, dont really notice it until u come to near the end of 2nd n then in 3rd n 4th as it jst keeps pulling where it would normally drop off. only running the 25bhp jets. but my car was 134.2bhp, so thats sitting me not to far from 160bhp

cant wait for the cams to go in

Is your activation switch under the accell so it only comes in at full throttle?.

26th July 2009, 18:28

i have a activation switch on the dash then you have a micro switch on the pedal for full throttle

26th July 2009, 20:53

what do u want pics of... i hav mounted my switch in the ash tray n the other on the pedal at full throtle!!

27th July 2009, 16:29

just pics of the installation, everything. Where did you run the nylon line just under the carpet? Where did you mount the solenoids etc

28th July 2009, 00:28

here are some pictures...jst hav a temp set up because i just wanted to make sure it worked as it was 2nd hand kit, only thing i need to do is make some holes in the scuttle instead of feeding the cables over though

28th July 2009, 08:29

One of my mates fitted nos to his redtop corsa and its now running 498bhp, sounds awesome when it kicks in and does add that extra wow factor, I'm sure after you get it fitted you won't look back

28th July 2009, 15:11

498 plus nos!
whats he running like lol

28th July 2009, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikky

498 plus nos!
whats he running like lol

think he means with the nos m8.

28th July 2009, 15:43

still its gota be a really big spec c20let/redtop turbo
sold my nx nos kit now going for bodies and a pred ecu very soon
was good with only 50 shots lol

28th July 2009, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikky

still its gota be a really big spec c20let/redtop turbo
sold my nx nos kit now going for bodies and a pred ecu very soon
was good with only 50 shots lol

i in the middle of running in engine after rebuilding, ( nirous explosion) have rebuilt with 708 cams and forged pistons, looking at throttle boddies myself, and having predator ecu fitted in a couple months when i know everything is running perfect again, will also be keeping nitrous with 50 shot, should be pretty quick then

28th July 2009, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwillis89

here are some pictures...jst hav a temp set up because i just wanted to make sure it worked as it was 2nd hand kit, only thing i need to do is make some holes in the scuttle instead of feeding the cables over though

Looks good. mate. Thats where I will be mounting mine. Is that where the high pressure fuel line is? Thats easy then

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzvtr

i in the middle of running in engine after rebuilding, ( nirous explosion) have rebuilt with 708 cams and forged pistons, looking at throttle boddies myself, and having predator ecu fitted in a couple months when i know everything is running perfect again, will also be keeping nitrous with 50 shot, should be pretty quick then

Howd that happen?

28th July 2009, 17:41

[QUOTE=DusheR;3541578]Looks good. mate. Thats where I will be mounting mine. Is that where the high pressure fuel line is? Thats easy then

yeh honestly its not hard to set up at all! the hardest bit is feeding the cables and the nylon pipe into the bay! yeh u need to make sure u get it tpieced onto the high pressure sit...on mine (vts) it was the fuel line with the
WHITE connector, (therefore green much be low). before u cut it, make sure u hav left ur engine off for about 5 mins...jst so the pressure isnt high in the fuel. any problems and just post up on here and im sure either me or 1 of the other boys could give u the advice...fuk paying a minimum of £200 for fitting! lol

28th July 2009, 18:06

What kit would i need on a mapped & throttle bodied vts with bigger injectors, currently running at 171bhp. I want a full kit with all parts so i can just take it to my mate to fit.

Thanks.

28th July 2009, 19:49

you would want a direct port wet kit,thats 2 jets to one inlet 4 fuel 4 nitrous bit harder to set up ect mate
i take it you run socks or block filter not a airbox

28th July 2009, 23:19

yeh it's one of them saussage filters, do they do a complete kit on that wizards of nos or wt eva?

28th July 2009, 23:53

[QUOTE=rwillis89;3541732]

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

Looks good. mate. Thats where I will be mounting mine. Is that where the high pressure fuel line is? Thats easy then

yeh honestly its not hard to set up at all! the hardest bit is feeding the cables and the nylon pipe into the bay! yeh u need to make sure u get it tpieced onto the high pressure sit...on mine (vts) it was the fuel line with the
WHITE connector, (therefore green much be low). before u cut it, make sure u hav left ur engine off for about 5 mins...jst so the pressure isnt high in the fuel. any problems and just post up on here and im sure either me or 1 of the other boys could give u the advice...fuk paying a minimum of £200 for fitting! lol

Where do you feed the lines through? I know Im glad I didnt pay for that. Going to start fitting it this weekend. Ive been making somewhere to mount the arming button. Going to go on the bottom right of the dash next to where you adjust the headlights. Its almost done Ill get some pics on my progress thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommo_SaxVTR

yeh it's one of them saussage filters, do they do a complete kit on that wizards of nos or wt eva?

You need a direct port kit:

http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=58

29th July 2009, 00:26

So thats all i need dusher, wt bhp will that increase per shot? i need to find a place where i can fill up with nos b4 i buy.

Thanks For Reply.

29th July 2009, 00:51

Yeh thats all you need. If your going above 50bhp its advised to get a progressive controller. Im looking at adding one to my kit, then a purge kit to show off haha. I dont know how much more power the internals on your vts could handle?

oh btw rwillis did you mount the activation switch beneath the peddle or on the throttle body?

29th July 2009, 00:59

http://www.nitroustuning.co.uk/info.html

^ Really good info there.

29th July 2009, 01:47

on the picture with the wiring... i went through the gromet commonly used for amp cables, found in passenger footwell. cut a big X in it n then fed the nylon cable through n then attached the thinner wires to that with duck tape to pull them through...bit of a pain

29th July 2009, 16:24

You legend, cheers for the photos, great help. Going to start tonight by just mounting the bottle, then Im going to see if I have time to feed the nitrous line to the engine bay. Im dreading the wiring. Ive tried and failed before to get any wires through that grommit if Its the same one as I tried.

29th July 2009, 16:28

Another question, my jets will be 50 nitrous, 20 fuel. I know yours are about the same, did you change the spark plugs etc? Noticing any clutch slip?

29th July 2009, 17:18

god, nos is confusing....

29th July 2009, 21:54

mine where 33 nitrous 24 fuel for 50bhp from http://www.thek9sblx.co.uk/exupracing/index.asp

29th July 2009, 21:55

thats at 1000psi nitrous and 44psi fuel pressure

29th July 2009, 22:39

Does anyone use a throttle position switch (TPS)? How do you set these?

29th July 2009, 23:02

wow

29th July 2009, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikky

mine where 33 nitrous 24 fuel for 50bhp from http://www.thek9sblx.co.uk/exupracing/index.asp

thats the same kit i am using, how did you find out the 33 and 24 are for 50bhp, bin trying to find this for ages.

30th July 2009, 00:04

20 fuel jet sorry
http://www.thek9sblx.co.uk/exupracing/image.asp?id=122

30th July 2009, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikky

20 fuel jet sorry
http://www.thek9sblx.co.uk/exupracing/image.asp?id=122

nice one m8, just ordered my self the right jets, and a purge kit, (looks good for the shows lol) cheers for the link.

30th July 2009, 16:20

You mean this?

Mixture Ratio Table
HP Setting N²O Jet Fuel Jet N²O:Fuel ratio
25 (normal) 50 20 2.5:1
25 (Fuel weak) 50 15 3.33:1
25 (Fuel rich) 50 25 2:1
50 (normal) 100 40 2.5:1
50 (Fuel weak) 100 30 3.33:1
50 (Fuel rich) 100 50 2:1

Another questions.

My bottle doesnt fit in the boot paralell to the side of the car facing the front as shown in the instructions. Can you fit it at an angle towards the rear corner?

30th July 2009, 16:43

just found these aswell.

http://www.nitroustuning.co.uk/pics/.../Saxo/Saxo.htm

Installs on saxos.

30th July 2009, 16:45

Like this actually... Might copy

30th July 2009, 17:28

What are these kits like? seems a good price tbh.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nitrous-Oxide-...d=p3286.c0.m14

30th July 2009, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

Like this actually... Might copy

looks tidy that like.

30th July 2009, 21:41

Im still unsure where Im going to mount the arming switch. The wiring will be my last job anyways, hate wiring!

Ive mounted the bottle, check my progress thread.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...40#post3548740

Ive squeezed the nylon line under the rubber on the edge of the carpet. Is that where every has put theres?

31st July 2009, 00:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdvtr

What are these kits like? seems a good price tbh.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nitrous-Oxide-...d=p3286.c0.m14

The solenoids are meant to give up after a while and start giving wrong mixtures. Which aint good. Pulsoids are what you want.

22nd August 2009, 13:24

where would I take the ignition live from?

24th August 2009, 17:43

Ive just bought the nos bottle and holder off wide vtr turbo. I know most of stuff i need to get to finish the kit off to get fitted. Im unsure whether to get the rest nos stuff but was originally looking at won stuff as the jet dont need cleaning, etc. Just want opinions of what to get?

24th August 2009, 19:22

Personally Id get the won solenoids. You can get this kit brand new

http://www.noswizard.com/product_desc.php?id=78

or just hunt some 2nd hand ones down on ebay

24th August 2009, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

where would I take the ignition live from?

i took mine from the cd player... in the back wiring you should hav a spare red cable

24th August 2009, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwillis89

i took mine from the cd player... in the back wiring you should hav a spare red cable

is that alrite to do that? Just me mate said the CD player has power to it all the time, even when the ignition is off. So the nitrous can be activated when the car isnt on? Is that right? Im not so good with the electrical side.

Have a look at my progress thread Ive got some pics