RWD Axle

9th July 2009, 16:16

as above what cars have a rwd axle that is same ish width as a saxo/106 that can take semi decent power

9th July 2009, 16:17

that 4wd ax.

9th July 2009, 16:19

mazda mx5?

9th July 2009, 16:21

i'm not sure about the width, but old school Supra? Sierra? the sierra's are used with a lot of kit crs so parts might be easy to source?

9th July 2009, 16:21

mx5 you say interesting, raunch yeah good mention but i think lopt wider may be able to make it smaller

sayer the 4wd ax would be good if I didn't have to go to france to get one lol!

9th July 2009, 16:23

Vitara?

9th July 2009, 16:28

They made a 4wd Saxo - was called a Saxo T4. Only available in left hand drive. Used same shell as front wheel drive, so cross member and rear suspension will bolt straight on. There quiet rare, but you can get all the parts new from Citroen Sport.

9th July 2009, 16:30

mx5 width:
1680 mm

vts width:
1620 mm

according to parkers

EDIT: thats the car widths not the rear axle...

9th July 2009, 16:31

Hooge Rea-ah Wide Arch FTW

9th July 2009, 16:33

Sierra width: 1694mm

MK5 sounds ideal though !!

9th July 2009, 16:41

Pulsar. SR20DET ftw, 4x4 also

9th July 2009, 16:48

mx5 could be a very good option.
could you most rear set ups and use short driveshafts?

maybe s2000 rear?

what are you planing then gav?

9th July 2009, 18:42

interesting lads very interesting

aaron im just taking on board something danny "the machine" gti said in a diff thread

9th July 2009, 19:01

hehehehehehe that is all.

9th July 2009, 19:47

now we need to think of a suitable engine

9th July 2009, 20:09

ive got loads of ideas, methods. and ive actually thought things through....

if your seriious about this gav, well have to have a chat in person as theres way too much to think about to just write up in a pm.

9th July 2009, 20:17

Yeah that would be good danny saw the S2000 saxo earlier and it gave me ideas. Been reading PPC a bit recently to

Only got preliminary ideas at the moment but should be fun

9th July 2009, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

Yeah that would be good danny saw the S2000 saxo earlier and it gave me ideas. Been reading PPC a bit recently to

Only got preliminary ideas at the moment but should be fun

dont you dare copy what im doing........

it would however be nice for someone to do something similar.... we can chat about it soon as ill be calling in for a favour off you regarding harnesses

9th July 2009, 20:34

oh yeah those harnesses no problems mate

no copying here lol my mate has actually got arse in gears and well saw s2000 in a saxo lol

9th July 2009, 20:35

supras not a good/easy option my nex door neighbour it parks back to back with my vtr, its a hell ov alot wider, been thinkin of this myself as my cars now off the road in project status as its mots out and alot of thing inc rear beam need looked at

9th July 2009, 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

oh yeah those harnesses no problems mate

no copying here lol my mate has actually got arse in gears and well saw s2000 in a saxo lol

do you mean, honda engine in the rear?? rwd.....

9th July 2009, 20:46

no i mean s2000 enigne in the front with s2000 front subframe and rear subframe and proper etc. Basically S2000 with a Saxo shell

9th July 2009, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

no i mean s2000 enigne in the front with s2000 front subframe and rear subframe and proper etc. Basically S2000 with a Saxo shell

please tell me you are joking!!!! you NEED to send me some pics.....is this guy your mate then? i need to speak to this man.

9th July 2009, 20:54

he is the man that got all the gear off tam danny. No joking he was only doing mock up today but put it this way its not far off dimension wise. PLenty of fab work to do but he is well capable of getting it done, dunno if he is going to finish that first or the supercharged 16v ax thing

9th July 2009, 21:02

danny....gav.... walk away from each other and put the ideas down. this is very dangerous talk

someone please do it

9th July 2009, 21:11

haha aron...

gav, its making some sense now....
ive done some measuring already and its viable... just the track will need shortening on the rear, wich you have to be careful with as everything you change could have a dramatic effect on geo.

200sx rear subframe is another option to throw out there...... why not the engine while your there.....

9th July 2009, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

no i mean s2000 enigne in the front with s2000 front subframe and rear subframe and proper etc. Basically S2000 with a Saxo shell

sounds like how I'm putting together our 309

must pull my finger out and get it sprayed

sure the rear subframe and wishbones would be too wide for the saxo.. perhaps they are fatter at the rear than I remember but with the subframe and standard s2000 wishbones it filled perfectly the arches of a wide bodied 309

Need some pics of the saxo s2000 pronto .. would be great to see how he's putting it together..

9th July 2009, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamRacing

sounds like how I'm putting together our 309

must pull my finger out and get it sprayed

are you using double wishbone front on yours? are you using front subframe?

9th July 2009, 21:28

danny erm lets say he has options and it aint far away from tweeks either lol But yeah he has something worked out in regards to what you mentioned.

Kev/G we need more updates on your mad projects

9th July 2009, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

are you using double wishbone front on yours? are you using front subframe?

Double wishbone one the front. You can just about see them (well the top wishbones.

here is the subframe in its final guise with all the engine / wishbones removed ready for spraying

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

Kev/G we need more updates on your mad projects

I really need to get cracking on it. Moving house in a few months and will move the 309 into my personal double garage then. My fiancee then won't see me in the evenings

Just don't get time to work on it during the day

Kev has this huge box of bits that will eventually turn into a touring car sequential gearbox lol.. think he has enough bits to build a couple .. one will get put on his 205.

Both cars will run for FCS next year for sure

The van is a distraction too - just begging for an odd engine conversion.. 1.8 duratec or something..

9th July 2009, 21:41

right, those pics have explained a few things....

im not sure wether to try and use the 106 suspension or just frame it and go unequal length double wishbone..?? kev/G do you think its woth the extra effort for a full on trackday car that will do some hillclimbing?

9th July 2009, 21:55

Sounds good G, looking forward to it. Didn't realise kev still had the 205 sounds like its going to be an animal.

Danny ill get pics on sat if I am up

9th July 2009, 22:02

ok gav.

another option i was looking into is a VAG engine with a ford gearbox as you can get bell housing adaptors at descent price now as kit cars have seen the light.... this would make for a great conversion as you will have great power/torque out of the box with massive tuning potential.

9th July 2009, 22:02

BMW Z3 rear axle?

9th July 2009, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveWC

BMW Z3 rear axle?

another option. there will be plenty on the market and they will sure hold lots of torques..

also just like to point out, these arent axels... you would find an axel in a mk1 escort or mg midget lol

9th July 2009, 22:09

we defo need to discuss more mate because going by that 1.8t up front ford box with bell housing adapter etc etc = holy cow were did that smell come from

9th July 2009, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush

we defo need to discuss more mate because going by that 1.8t up front ford box with bell housing adapter etc etc = holy cow were did that smell come from

this is what i was planning before mate... i could give you a hand

10th July 2009, 08:52

yes we will need to talk danny defo work sonmething out

10th July 2009, 09:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannygti

right, those pics have explained a few things....

im not sure wether to try and use the 106 suspension or just frame it and go unequal length double wishbone..?? kev/G do you think its woth the extra effort for a full on trackday car that will do some hillclimbing?

if you plan to use the car for competition you really need to tackle things in a different way. You need a set of technical regulations in front of you.
Otherwise you will end up with a car like Bic where he went ahead with a carbon roof, then found you can't race with one. Was a shame really as racing wheel to wheel is a far better buzz than time trials and would have been fantastic to watch.

If you put anything odd in a hillclimb car it will be in sports libre which is going to be a baptism of fire for both car and driver!
I was somewhat lucky to be in the right place at the right time for many parts for my 205, but I still have spent £7-8k (alone) on a chassis that cant run in a lot of championships for the simple reason that I cut out the complete inner skin of the car so careful reading of the rules is a must. The car is literally built for the Eurosaloons rules and exploits these as best I can.

If you have a set of rules for the championship you would like to enter, send it my way and i'll have a read and come up with some ideas If you want.

Kev

10th July 2009, 09:16

gav, i have some ideas too

handy with a welder?

10th July 2009, 10:24

S2000 track widths
Front 1471mm
Rear 1510mm

VTS

Front 1401mm
Rear 1321mm

thats quite a difference on the rear!

10th July 2009, 12:59

he has sorted somethign kev

plum no but im sure danny you and me can come up with something lol

10th July 2009, 13:01

old skool volvo's? the ones used for tramp drifting.

10th July 2009, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankie

old skool volvo's? the ones used for tramp drifting.

good idea but not the the best options out there... i suppose their cheap.

kamracing- ill have a think about what i want to do with the car and do some reading... i doubt i can afford to go racing racing..hence why it will be a trackday car with mot/tax.
sports libre class is very competative but would be fun to see how it could progress..

gav, ill be coming up your way in a few weeks so get the pen and paper out to get som notes.

12th July 2009, 00:31

So your set-up is gonna be like a short wheel base mk2 Escort except with an independent rear? Whatever you choose make sure it has an LSD.

For me the 106 wheelbase is a bit on the short side for Rwd.. the longer the better, much less snappy, the 309 would be about right. Seeing as your gonna have to do some serious fabrication work.. I'd also move the front bulkhead back a bit Gav to get the engine as far back as possible.

Also, the bigger your transmission tunnel is the stiffer your shell will be.

You probably already know all this but get me on MSN if you think any of the Grp4 Escort set-up info would help.