more power form a vtr

1. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

   #1 12th July 2009, 12:47

   what things could be done to the vtr.
   
   i no cams, remap, sports manifold, sports exhaust system,
   what bhp would i be looking from the list above and also what else could be done. and what sort of prices and figures would i be looking at.
2. liam_VTR Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Stoke on trent Posts: 1132 Corsa GSI C20LET

   #2 12th July 2009, 13:02

   after them mods it gets expensive for small gains
   
   next would be head work, high comp pistons, throttle bodies, standalone, turbo/supercharger
   
   but im no expert
3. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

   #3 12th July 2009, 13:13

   what standard bhp is it b4 the work and with the wrk stated what would the gains be??
4. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

   #4 12th July 2009, 13:40

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by scottthurlow what standard bhp is it b4 the work and with the wrk stated what would the gains be??

   depends different makes of mods make different improvements its hard to say for definate.
5. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

   #5 12th July 2009, 13:41

   just a rough idea budd, and i mean rough
6. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #6 12th July 2009, 13:42

   What plate is the car on?
7. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

   #7 12th July 2009, 13:43

   base it on a 51 plate vtr
   wat im tryin to decide is wether to get vtr and mod it or get a vts, cus the insurence is 600 less on vtr and i wouldnt declare all the mods
8. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

   #8 12th July 2009, 13:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by scottthurlow base it on a 51 plate vtr wat im tryin to decide is wether to get vtr and mod it or get a vts, cus the insurence is 600 less on vtr and i wouldnt declare all the mods

   you could prob find a Vtr with a undeclared Vts lump init tbh mate.
9. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

   #9 12th July 2009, 13:46

   ye but that quite obvious to the eye, cams etc isnt!
10. York1366 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Louth/Lincolnshire Posts: 1540 Stage 4.5 Litchfield 725bhp R35 GTR

    #10 12th July 2009, 13:49

    but to get a vtr up to Vts spec you would spend 1000s a decent 2nd hand Vts lump mabye 300-450 for the lot.
11. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #11 12th July 2009, 13:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottthurlow base it on a 51 plate vtr wat im tryin to decide is wether to get vtr and mod it or get a vts, cus the insurence is 600 less on vtr and i wouldnt declare all the mods

    VTS is always the better option
    
    not declaring mods means your a dick
    
    the reason everyone hates saxo owners...
12. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #12 12th July 2009, 13:53

    98bhp engine then. A panel filter combined with a good exhaust manifold (thus removing the CAT... a Piper 4-1 is where my money would be spent) and exhaust should see you in the region of 108 - 109bhp.
    
    Things start to get expensive from there - fitting an aftermarket cam means removing the head, so that's a new head gasket, new head bolts, new cambelt kit etc. You can fit something like a Newman PH3 or Kent PT40 and run that unmapped, but at the bear minimum you'll want to fit a vernier pulley and have the cam timing adjusted on the rolling road. The results of that should be around 118 - 119bhp.
    
    If you're gonna get it remapped, fit uprated valve springs - this allows the mapper to raise the rev limit a tad. This will stop the car dropping off cam as much when shifting through the gears. Although to be honest, I never felt that was a problem with mine which had an unmapped PT40 - I doubt it would have gained much more with a remap. It drove very well, idled perfectly, used no more fuel etc.
    
    Modding the VTR to get decent power is expensive, but once it's done you'll find it's a lot more cost effective to run than a VTS. The valver is a very smooth engine though and there's a lot more to it than an extra 8V - you really need to drive one to see the difference.
13. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

    #13 12th July 2009, 13:54

    ye i no vts the better option, but as i sed insurance is 600 quid more a yr! is it worth the extra 600 for the gains i would have?
14. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #14 12th July 2009, 14:00

    You will spend more a lot more than £600 getting a VTR to around VTS power though.
    
    Exhaust + manifold - a tad under £500?
    Aftermarket cam, i.e PH3 or PT40 - £170 - £200
    New head gasket, head bolts, cambelt kit - £80ish
    Vernier pulley - £90
    Cam timing adjustment - £100ish
    
    Then you have labour charges on the above!
    
    I am not biased in the slightest mate - I had a cammed VTR and now a bog standard VTS. The VTR was cheaper to run and tax. By the time you've declared the mods though, you'll not be far short of a VTS insurance premium!
15. user_33420 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 birmingham Posts: 645 vw lupo gti

    #15 12th July 2009, 14:05

    well its either saxo , fiesta zetec s, or pug 106 gti
16. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #16 12th July 2009, 14:08

    Test drive a VTR and VTS if possible, then decide if the VTS is worth the hiked tax, insurance etc. You will pay a lot more for a 106 GTI... it's the same chassis and engine, but the badge demands a higher price.
    
    A VTR is plenty gutsy though imo, and probably gives the best bang for your buck.
17. J0sh L-plater Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 43

    #17 10th August 2009, 18:19

    120 would be bhp you ore than likely would gainfrom the mods but spending a little more on better partscould see it to 125bhp
18. Wizzy Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Wokingham, Berkshire Posts: 606 16v VTR

    #18 10th August 2009, 18:30

    My VTR made 119.5 bhp and 112 lbft of torque.
    
    Thats with-
    
    Raceland induction
    Piper 4-1 mani and supersprint system
    Kent pt40 cams, uprated valve springs and vernier pulley
    Standard ECU
    
    It cost me £40 to declare all the mods i have done and the premium is still half that of a standard vts.
19. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #19 10th August 2009, 18:30

    did the stickies die?
20. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #20 10th August 2009, 18:36

    see it this way £600 extra to insure a vts or spend £1000-1500 on a vtr to make it was fast as a vts then either spend a good few more £00's on higher insurance with mods declasred or go around in an uninsured car simple choice in my mind vts. i wanted to fit a s1 rallye head and inlet and cam but then i had to buy headgasket, head bolts, cam belt, vernier pulley, ecu, loom, fuel rail, injectors + labour + higher insurance and agen i would only be seeing 120-125bhp or i cud spend £300 on a vts engine and me and my mate will fit it our selfs with a day or two
21. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #21 10th August 2009, 18:45

    nitrous babyyyyyyyyyy.